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tommo 2015-12-14 20:33

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
According to lastu, they have sent the cases to jolla. Maybe they are in tiniest corner of some Chinese warehouse.

(maybe they will send one to dave999 for christmas!)

mscion 2015-12-14 20:46

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It would be ironic if the lastu case fit my Galaxy Tab Pro which has the Jolla launcher running on it!

prometheus 2015-12-14 22:55

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Topic is "Future of Jolla's Tablet" and yet there are 107 people that haven't bought tablet, 6 of them that never heard of it and other "kamikaze" who jumped into this thread to happily troll other people and glorify Jolla's achievement. I cannot believe my eyes... I am trying still to figure it out. Are you on Jolla's pay list or you are so f*** up that you enjoy mocking other people that are still waiting for tablet/refund?
Or perhaps you have some sick fetish, so this is the only way to "get you off"...

gerbick 2015-12-14 23:01

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What's the link to your blog?

mosen 2015-12-15 00:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by prometheus (Post 1491523)
I am trying still to figure it out.

Sad to read.
That whole matter seems to really bug you.

1. Most of us are cool & calm because there are still chances to recieve the Tablets and have official support. In this special situation one measure to assure the slightes possibility of this happening, is not to shout all over da frickin intanet like someone already stole your weed. Or question the sanity of your fellows like above.

2. Parse many if not all things written here with your sarcasm glasses on.
Most of the people are sure quite unhappy with the situation and choose to express theyr feelings with a big portion of gallows humor. That mostly comes from having "exprience" with this kind of situations.

3. Yes, from all we know it is truly possible our "recently" invested ~200-300€ go down with the ship because of euphemistic management operations.
But is that really worth spending a huge amount of precious lifetime you could use to evolve personally into trying impropable chances to teach others lessons they will possibly not even get. meeh.

4. I am waiting on two maxed out tablets and can say even in worst case i already have paid much more in life to gain single valubale lessons comparable to not put all my money on one horse, like in this case.

In sincere hope you get over it or regain your mood in case of very late delivery.

endsormeans 2015-12-15 01:24

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@ prometheus
these "107 people that haven't bought tablet.."
I assume you are taking these stats from what?...
the poll at the page top?
It is a poll...
not mandatory....
so saying ..I'm sure there are many more who got one and many more who did not.
Also please understand...there is also an underlying current (however small or great) of maemoans upset still by the fact that Jolla has subforums here at all ..for many reasons. And I cannot dismiss them as being invalid. On the other hand...increasingly...it is apparent our community will be giving safe habour to this 3-headed step child ...and tentatively I am in agreement to this ...they are maemo's cousin...and as such I don't wish to see any alternative to the Powers (droid, icrap, etc) fall flaming into the abyss to be lost forever.

Lastly..
I think you are missing a category...
the "kamikaze-happy-trolling-sick-fetishist-who-wants-to-watch-the-world-burn."

prometheus I do suggest chillaxin'..
enhancing your calm...
pull out the hot-air popcorn maker...
sit back and watch the show (rather than add to it and become part of the show.....I mean ...How can anyone simultaneously rant and eat popcorn?? ..can't be done...one is either a spectator ..or one is waltzing on the dance floor...one cannot do both....)
for I'm guessing the show isn't over just yet.
hmm..speaking of...
Where is marxian?
he should be here by now with the popcorn...

Copernicus 2015-12-15 04:54

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i mean ...how can anyone simultaneously rant and eat popcorn?? ..can't be done

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Feathers McGraw 2015-12-15 06:44

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
For the record, I am one of the 6 who never heard of it. Never heard of it in time to place an order, that is, or I probably would have done. I might still buy one on future if Jolla survives.

I have a Jolla phone.

There's lots of stuff in this thread about the future of Jolla in general, and I would love to see them ship the tablets (the two are obvioisly linked). In fact most of the thread is about the future of Sailfish if you discount Dave's noise.

Everyone else is having a polite and interesting discussion. Go and start a rage thread if you want, nobody will read it!

aegis 2015-12-15 09:12

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The problem with the poll is that the thread title has changed after Jolla's trouble and the discussion has moved on to the future of Jolla, not just it's tablet.

I'm in the 107 who didn't buy the tablet and wasn't even tempted to do so. I already had a beta product and no desire for another. I bought a Sony tablet the same week after the Jolla tablet launch figuring I'd use the Sony while Jolla fixed bugs. A few months later I also bought a Sony phone replacing the Jolla for a trip where I needed something more robust, waterproof, smaller and reliable. I'm still using the Sony and not the Jolla realising I'd missed so many things which simply don't work on the Jolla.

That doesn't mean we're here to troll users who did buy a Jolla tablet. No. I find it more bizarre that some people want to sue Jolla or demand a tablet now. The important thing now is what is going to happen to Jolla and the OS, not the tablet.

But frankly, it's not in our control. Why get stressed about it?

billranton 2015-12-15 09:25

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I'm on the side that wants Jolla to find another investor to get that ship upright again, so they can pay their staff, send us some tablets and get that Intex adaptation finished. In that order.

Fellfrosch 2015-12-15 09:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1491548)
Im also on the side that Wants snow before christmas...

There is snow on the moon? Didn't know that. :p

MartinK 2015-12-15 09:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1491550)
There is snow on the moon? Didn't know that. :p

Well, there should be water ice in some of the permanently shadowed craters on the lunar south pole and also possibly elsewhere underground. :)

tommo 2015-12-15 09:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1491549)
I'm on the side that wants Jolla to find another investor to get that ship upright again, so they can pay their staff, send us some tablets and get that Intex adaptation finished. In that order.

sounds good to me,

I wonder what the jolla staff would say if they were given the option of tablets out the door , or wages.

Copernicus 2015-12-15 10:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tommo (Post 1491553)
I wonder what the jolla staff would say if they were given the option of tablets out the door , or wages.

I would presume that at least a few of them have families to feed...

Fellfrosch 2015-12-15 10:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tommo (Post 1491553)
sounds good to me,

I wonder what the jolla staff would say if they were given the option of tablets out the door , or wages.

I wonder what you would say if your company would ask you such things... :rolleyes:

Fellfrosch 2015-12-15 10:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1491552)
Well, there should be water ice in some of the permanently shadowed craters on the lunar south pole and also possibly elsewhere underground. :)

So we have to ask Dave if that counts. I fear he is the only inhabitant on the moon so he has to decide if his wish became already true... :D

att 2015-12-15 11:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tommo (Post 1491553)
I wonder what the jolla staff would say if they were given the option of tablets out the door , or wages.

Jolla's sailors can make an application for pay guarantee to the ministry's Employment and Economic Development Office if Jolla doesn't pay their wages.

Dave999 2015-12-15 11:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by att (Post 1491559)
Jolla's sailors can make an application for pay guarantee to the ministry's Employment and Economic Development Office if Jolla doesn't pay their wages.

Jolla should stop using other poeple money as soon as possible. Unless they want to give it for free.

Copernicus 2015-12-15 11:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1491556)
So we have to ask Dave if that counts. I fear he is the only inhabitant on the moon so he has to decide if his wish became already true... :D

Well, him and the moon rabbit (and its friends). I was surprised to discover that NASA discussed the moon rabbit with Apollo 11 just before they landed:

Quote:

Houston: Among the large headlines concerning Apollo this morning, is one asking that you watch for a lovely girl with a big rabbit. An ancient legend says a beautiful Chinese girl called Chang-O has been living there for 4,000 years. It seems she was banished to the Moon because she stole the pill of immortality from her husband. You might also look for her companion, a large Chinese rabbit, who is easy to spot since he is always standing on his hind feet in the shade of a cinnamon tree. The name of the rabbit is not reported.
Michael Collins: Okay. We'll keep a close eye out for the bunny girl.

att 2015-12-15 11:42

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1491560)
Jolla should stop using other poeple money as soon as possible. Unless they want to give it for free.

The ministry will collect the money back from Jolla Ltd if possible (for example bankruptcy, debt restructuring or temporary hold on debts might prevent it).

tommo 2015-12-15 11:56

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1491555)
I wonder what you would say if your company would ask you such things... :rolleyes:

I am my company, if I **** up I don't get paid. :rolleyes:

Fellfrosch 2015-12-15 12:28

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tommo (Post 1491565)
I am my company, if I **** up I don't get paid. :rolleyes:

So you are responsible if that happens. But there are sailors which are definitely not responsible for the things that happened at Jolla. Anyway you ask them to resign from their wages just that you can get your tablet.... :confused:

tommo 2015-12-15 12:41

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Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1491566)
So you are responsible if that happens. But there are sailors which are definitely not responsible for the things that happened at Jolla. Anyway you ask them to resign from their wages just that you can get your tablet.... :confused:

I'm not asking anyone to do anything. :confused:

Fellfrosch 2015-12-15 13:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tommo (Post 1491568)
I'm not asking anyone to do anything. :confused:

Maybe I understand things sometimes a little bit later...
So just tell me what else do you mean when you say
"I wonder what the jolla staff would say if they were given the option of tablets out the door , or wages."

tommo 2015-12-15 13:11

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1491571)
Maybe I understand things sometimes a little bit later...
So just tell me what else do you mean when you say
"I wonder what the jolla staff would say if they were given the option of tablets out the door , or wages."

It means it exactly that, I'm not saying they should or shouldn't. Just a hypothetical musing while wondering if any 'sailors' have sleepless nights thinking about the 10,000 people who ordered a tablet.

Fellfrosch 2015-12-15 13:25

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And of course there is no reason, why you are musing such things in public.

Well anyway I try to give you a hint, so you can muse a little bit more:

They probably will set their wages aside, if the delivery of the tablets mean, that Jolla will survive for exactly that reason and their jobs and their future wages are save. If not, I see no reason why they should do so.

tommo 2015-12-15 13:42

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1491574)
And of course there is no reason, why you are musing such things in public.

Well anyway I try to give you a hint, so you can muse a little bit more:

They probably will set their wages aside, if the delivery of the tablets mean, that Jolla will survive for exactly that reason and their jobs and their future wages are save. If not, I see no reason why they should do so.

Thanks for eventually answering the question.

It's a public forum and this thread is filled with many questions and thoughts from different people, I didn't see anything wrong with my comment and I'm sorry you seem to.

Fellfrosch 2015-12-15 13:54

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Well in my opinion it isn't fair to make such statements, because they usually hit the wrong people.

But that is of course just my personal opinion and you are absolutely right, it is a public forum and you can fill it with your thoughts, the way you like.

And I know very well that there were much worse comments than yours. So forgive me for being critical.

Dave999 2015-12-15 16:42

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1491550)
There is snow on the moon? Didn't know that. :p

No, not yet. But its not Christmas yet either. That was why I was asking or adding as a request.

Any Jolla news today?


Will jolla work with contributors and community to ship this tablet or any other compensation?


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Btw WHO got snow?

mikecomputing 2015-12-15 19:53

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https://blog.jolla.com/merry-xmas-happy-holidays-jolla/

gerbick 2015-12-15 21:14

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1491595)

That's from 2014. Not sure why it's being linked to in 2015.

Dave999 2015-12-15 21:50

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Will we get any more news or will Jolla just fade away in complete silence to oblivion.

I see snow!

And while I'm looking at it I starting to think... why did Jolla wasting money on gui changes in sail 2.0 when they could have released a tablet...

endsormeans 2015-12-15 22:04

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSUXXzN26zg

:D

Dave999 2015-12-16 07:20

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Guys, I have the feeling good **** coming our way today! Can you feel it?

billranton 2015-12-16 08:40

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1491607)
And while I'm looking at it I starting to think... why did Jolla wasting money on gui changes in sail 2.0 when they could have released a tablet...

Because Sailfish 1.0 was not resolution independent. The icon sizings, layouts and font sizes were all tuned to the small screen of the phone (540 x 960 pixels). It wouldn't have worked on the tablet without changes. This was all made clear in the crowdfunding campaign, which clearly stated that Sailfish 2.0 would be developed mainly for the benefit of the tablet. I don't see why it's such an issue for some people.

Even aside from that, it's disingenuous to state that Jolla spent the crowdfunding money on anything in particular. The tablet hardware took longer than expected to finalize, and in the meantime a major investor pulled out, leaving Jolla without any liquidity to continue. There's no giant piggy bank at Jolla with 'tablet money' written on it that they had to smash to develop SF2.0. The money went into the company turnover, and all their costs came out of it. As I previously stated, in their uncut form Jolla spend $10m per year just carrying on. The tablet money alone would have lasted about 2 months, and that's without spending anything on the physical tablets.

eekkelund 2015-12-16 09:03

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Guys this real sale?
Jolla tablet in taobao

Fellfrosch 2015-12-16 09:07

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eekkelund (Post 1491643)
Guys this real sale?
Jolla tablet in taobao

Unfortunately my Chinese isn't that good. Is there somthing said about the delivery times?

mosen 2015-12-16 09:17

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WHAT THE... ?

http://mosushi.net/misc/taobao.gif

Someone got fed up sitting on a pile of unpaid tablets? Hope not...

https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/1...!179873529.jpg

Someone here fit with mandarin language and able to communicate with the Hotline: 17090076999??
I would order one :p

tommo 2015-12-16 09:22

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And 79 in stock...

Dave999 2015-12-16 09:26

Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Ship IT...


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