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minimos 2014-11-11 22:15

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Henque19 (Post 1446757)
Possibly with a *very* thin metallic shield (e.g. mu-metal) to block the magnetic field on the bottom.

And that includes also shielding Jolla GSM+Wifi+BT antennas? Hmm...

Henque19 2014-11-11 22:22

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by minimos (Post 1446776)
And that includes also shielding Jolla GSM+Wifi+BT antennas? Hmm...

Mu-metal only shields low frequency magnetic fields, plus they should only be as big (maybe slightly bigger) as the magnets that are blocking a bit anyway.
So I'm pretty sure it will not make a difference.

az2111 2014-11-11 23:52

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Hey dirk,

could you explain, why this is not working.
I have read all post, but i don't unterstand.
Thanks

Best regards
az211

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henque19 (Post 1446728)
Personally I vote for 1mm thinner!

Although, I'm not sure if having bare magnets on the backside will attract random metal objects nearby. Every once in a while you'd have to brush staple pins and paperclips off your pocket :)

Possibly a stupid idea:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1219940/n2c1zo.jpg

Use some crazy glue to hold the magnet in place. This way the magnet is closer to the other-other half and the wood covers the whole back side (thus distancing magnets from attracting paperclips).


misterc 2014-11-12 02:58

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
maybe i missed something...
well i certainly did as i didn't follow this thread for weeks but...

my understanding is that the wooden cover comes on the bottom of the actual keyboard part (the side which is mostly visible when the keyboard is not used)
why do the magnets have to be on the bottom if they should attach to the magnets of the Jolla backside (the upside of the keyboard, right?)?!?

Aonsaithya 2014-11-12 06:44

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Hmhmh. I played around with Sketchup, but I suppose I'm fine with the rounded cutouts in the wood for the two magnets. I do really like the third one, as the wood is slightly less overwhelming (exhibit A, B), but it'd obviously be significantly harder to do so not feasible.

http://aonsaithya.kapsi.fi/url/jolla...odsample-1.jpg

Then again, the grey wood ("kelo") is more subtle, both on white and black keyboard pieces.

dirkvl 2014-11-12 07:13

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by az2111 (Post 1446782)
Hey dirk,

could you explain, why this is not working.
I have read all post, but i don't unterstand.

the magnets will be pulled out

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1446790)
why do the magnets have to be on the bottom if they should attach to the magnets of the Jolla backside (the upside of the keyboard, right?)?!?

they are not on the bottom, nor on the top. there is material on both sides to keep it in place. it is mounted from the bottom because otherwise
Quote:

the magnets will be pulled out

dirkvl 2014-11-12 07:14

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aonsaithya (Post 1446797)
Hmhmh. I played around with Sketchup, but I suppose I'm fine with the rounded cutouts in the wood for the two magnets. I do really like the third one, as the wood is slightly less overwhelming (exhibit A, B), but it'd obviously be significantly harder to do so not feasible.

http://aonsaithya.kapsi.fi/url/jolla...odsample-1.jpg

Then again, the grey wood ("kelo") is more subtle, both on white and black keyboard pieces.

oh cool, thanks for the quick sketch!

the second one i had in mind, but given the mixed response i will not go through with this

Morpog 2014-11-12 07:31

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Oh why not? After seeing the sketches I like it even more. How about a poll?

Wonko 2014-11-12 08:36

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
I just want to say that I fully trust dirks experience and judgement.
From what I understand from following this thread, he made extensive and thorough R&D to come up with the project as it is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1446803)
Oh why not? After seeing the sketches I like it even more. How about a poll?

Imho, making substantial changes at this stage is not such a good idea.

Changing the position of the magnets may appear simple but, e.g., adding new components (like glue, epoxy, ...) and the combinations of the components (cover <-> glue <-> magnet) imho add significant error potential and would require to repeat quite a lot of R&D or even longer additional testing.

Similarly, injection molding may sound cool. But there are many uncertainties as well, e.g., the molding process may vary, the molding tools may not fit on the first try, or the quality of the material may not match the expectations.
Furthermore, the costs for iterations in molding, e.g., when the tools have to be changed are in the magnitude of thousands of euros compared to about tens of euros for 3D-printed parts. Plus the advantage dirk mentioned that the 3D-printed parts can be re-ordered by anyone who has access to the respective files.

Last but not least, the backers at kickstarter had a very good overview to know what they subscribe to. Changing this afterwards could be problematic and may lead to frustration and disagreement.

dirkvl 2014-11-12 08:39

Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonko (Post 1446806)
I just want to say that I fully trust dirks experience and judgement.
From what I understand from following this thread, he made extensive and thorough R&D to come up with the project as it is.



Imho, making substantial changes at this stage is not such a good idea.

Changing the position of the magnets may appear simple but, e.g., adding new components (like glue, epoxy, ...) and the combinations of the components (cover <-> glue <-> magnet) imho add significant error potential and would require to repeat quite a lot of R&D or even longer additional testing.

Similarly, injection molding may sound cool. But there are many uncertainties as well, e.g., the molding process may vary, the molding tools may not fit on the first try, or the quality of the material may not match the expectations.
Furthermore, the costs for iterations in molding, e.g., when the tools have to be changed are in the magnitude of thousands of euros compared to about tenth of euros for 3D-printed parts. Plus the advantage dirk mentioned that the 3D-printed parts can be re-ordered by anyone who has access to the respective files.

Last but not least, the backers at kickstarter had a very good overview to know what they subscribe to. Changing this afterwards could be problematic and may lead to frustration and disagreement.

Thanks for very eloquently summarizing and clarifying my situation. Will quote you in future ;)


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