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The latter to my understanding.

Yeah, that was pretty much direct translation. More accurate would be; new phone will come out latest during next year (nothing new there, I guess).

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Still not getting you, is this what you/they were trying to say:

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Latest means latest - not later than next year. That is pretty clear.


By the way, why would you guess that the massive update would be update 8, when it's been confirmed that update 8 is planned for early July? AFAIK July is in summer, not fall...

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They must atleast drop a teaser this year.

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It's not 100% clear, which is why I asked for a further clarification, is English your primary language? Be honest now.

Just checking with him based on what he read in the article, nothing more. What are you, the thread superintendent? ;)

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The finnish words are pretty clear on this.
Ei myöhemmin kuin ensi vuonna, hän sanoo.
Not later than next year, he says.

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The interview also specify that is unlikely that a new model will come on 'this half of the year' because Jolla is focusing on the 'massive' update during the fall. So:
- this year is s/w updates
- next year is the time for new h/w

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So:
That's "roughly" what he said in the interview?
Riveting & amazing new revelations, not :rolleyes:

Let hope this year is also time for TOH hw+sw.

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You guys have noticed that Jolla's camera's lense scratches very easily?
There's some kind of coating on the lense that in my case, has wore out from the edge.. I guess it has something to do with preventing reflections?

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Not in my case... it's still in one piece, even after the fall that cracked the glass.

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Translated version :
http://reviewjolla.blogspot.com.br/2014/06/translated-article-jolla-boss-big-news.html

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One "publishes" information about a phone and one "launches" the actual device. Is that distinction not getting muddled here?

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RIP Eduard...

I have that one in My footer. Great track!

Why not post something Fun instead...

http://youtu.be/qJK1yMVddpg

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:D
I have nothing to hide, you can check my TMO profile - I can't speak finnish, but having lived in the States for a while, I'm quite confident about my English.

I was paraphrasing the original poster, otherwise I'd just use "at the latest" if you're refering to that.

Funny thing is, if I didn't know better, I would ask You about being a native speaker as I still can't figure out how you're getting "not until" from "no later than" ;)


Personal things aside, update 8 looks quite promising ;)

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yurp!

mine is badly (okay not that bad) scratched (okay not scratched, but theres a thin coat of something that is coming off)... and now when I take pictures it looks slightly fuzzy.. very frustrating
my pictures used to look great (my friends used to ask me what kind of camera im using coz the quality was good) but now im struggling to find a way to make it decent

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Well, the translation says "introduced", that could mean anything. But consider the product cycle of a mobile phone: basically add 2 years to the first Jolla phone, so you may get it end of 2015/beginning of 2016. GG

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It's all good, it's all good...
Now, back to the primary subject matter.

You know this how exactly?

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Here you go:
http://www.mail-archive.com/devel@li.../msg04486.html

Of course, it may change, but the plan is promising already.

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Thanks, I also just saw this posted in the 1.0.7.16 (Saapunki) thread:
http://www.jollausers.com/2014/06/br...rrive-in-july/

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So in update 7 there was:
- Support for traditional and simplified Chinese Handwriting Recognition in virtual keyboard
and in update 8 there will be:
- Stroke entry for writing in Chinese

It seems that things are getting in shape for the long-delayed launch in China.

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I am using this wooden Lastu skin from the Jolla store.

It not only makes the phone less slippery to hold but the camera lays a few mm deeper thanks to it.

Maybe this helps prolong the life of the camera lens coating?

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Or we get it early 2015...

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Do you guys think that this could work with scratches on the Jolla's cameras lens?

EDIT: By the way, is the lens plastic or glass? My Jolla is in Optima Service for sim-problem..

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I think it is called "web browser"

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Streams dont work in jolla browser and the backup sound when goal not working in webbrowser.

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Even after the latest update I experience random shutdowns/reboots.

Looks like I'll have to send in my jolla for repair,

again :mad:

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You must mean "my specific football streams" don't work in the webbrowser?
No suprise, this whole FIFA event is every commercial.


Many streams do work though, for example in HTML5 Youtube.

One of the showcases of Sailfish OS is where you see both minimized and full version of your video play in the browser concurrently during swipe to minimized view.

Nice to see how the minimized window continues to play the video in miniature.

Great how you can open another video in another browser (Firefox for Adroid for example) , minimize it and see both video's stream and playback side by side.

The sight of it makes up for the lack of Pureview camera, rich recording, somewhat faint sound reproduction, HW keyboard, IR receiver and sender, FMtx, native integrated SIP client, per app security settings, functional TOH's by Jolla,..

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Hi

New jolla user. Here's my review after almost 1 month of usage. This is just a software review. For the record, I've been a n900 and n9 user before.

TL;DR: I miss the n9, jolla needs to do a *lot* of catching up.

Overall the OS seems more modern than the n9, I'm not very fond of the excessive usage of transparency, but I guess things like peeking and such work better this way. I understand the n9 went through a couple of updates to reach the state it's in now and in those updates a lot of polishment went it. Also, nokia probably had much more people working on the project than jolla, so that made it possible to push more stuff on the updates. It's good to see jolla seems commited to update regularly and not like nokia which only promised 3 updates or so and it something wasn't finished by then you where on your own.

OS:
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There are still many rough edges in the OS itself, for example:
- Everytime I set up an ambience and reboot, it's gone and only the ones that came with the phone show up in the ambience view. The ambience itself in use is still working, but other's I've created disappear. This is probably because of database corruption of something like that.
- Chat notification sounds interrupt music. This is really bad since I have to silence chat apps when listening to music or get pretty frustrated.
- No service apps allowed in the store? For example, in the n9 I had a scrobbler for last.fm that run in the background. The jolla one needs my interaction to start. Not good. This is probably limiting other apps out there too.
- Copy paste: Please finish this off, so I can copy-paste on all apps. It's frustrating whenever I cannot copy text from some app to anther.
- MTP protocol: Usb mass storage worked MUCH more reliable.

Things I miss from the n9:
- The events view was customizable: For example, the calendar feed, the weather widget, etc. I miss all that information in a simple peak. The new updates view is nice and more organized but needs much more interaction to view stuff and it's missing more information (weather? calendar?).
- More than 9 covers view. I've read the reasoning behind the design of this and for me it's not really a good excuse but rather the way you move around (vertically instead of horizontally like it was done in the n9). This would be more obvious if the brower's tab worked like on the n9.


Apps:
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On the app side, there are still plenty of polishment to do. This is what bothers me most because from the launch date, n9 had some very good core apps. Jolla on the other hand seems to be playing the "you can run andoid apps" card. The core apps are very basic compared to the n9 counter parts and lack polish:

- The gallery app: You can only share 1 image. This is ridiculous. When I take pictures on trips and then go to put them on facebook, I will use a laptop to upload from the phone because it's not funny to upload 50 images one by one. Editing images is limited, the n9 had more options and plugins.
- The music app: It's very basic compared to the n9's. I'm missing recent albums list, most played, etc that are easy to achieve with tracker as it was done on the n9. Also, I cannot understand the logic on the search functionally. On the album view you can search *only* by album name (on the n9 it would show matching results for both artists and albums but would present the album results matches). On the artists view no search at all. Why? I also miss the playback buttons on the cover the n9 had. Using the cover view of the music app doesn't cut it because it involves much more effort on my part.
- Browser app: I prefered the each tab is a new window, since it integrates better with the application switch view. Now that it's limited to only 9 maybe it's not such a good idea. The browser itself is nice and it's getting better.
- Maps app: Compared to n9 maps is terrible. I miss offline maps. I'm in a trip on the US and I used that before to find places without the need of data, now it's not possible.
- Calendar app: The calendar and the accounts integration has many bugs, I had to restart setting my accounts from scratch 3-4 times before I had my caldav account with gmail & facebook events all showing up. This also happened on my n9, so I'm guessing the implementation details are very similar and share the same bugs. Seems like it hasn't gotten a lot of testing. Only month & day view.
- Email app: I miss the thread view.

Non-core apps I miss from the n9:
- The world clock app by nokia: This could probably be easily done by jolla and it's usefull from traveling.
- Nineshark: I think it's in the works.
- Xbmc Remote: It's in the works, but AFAIK the developer doesn't have a jolla device.
- Nokia Public Transport: A more global transportation app would be nice, I see there are some local ones.

My suggestion here: Jolla should reach the best 3rd party apps developers from n9 and offer them discounts. I think this was done to an extent, but they should push harder, after all jolla needs more native apps ASAP. Right now there are more interesting apps in openrepos than in the store, not good for jolla. This is probably a consecuence of store policy rules like no bg services which clearly are bogus and need fixing.

I could probably go on, but I think it's already been covered elsewhere. I just hope the effort to get to the point where the n9 was is reached soon enough because had I known all of this I would probably had waited longer to make the switch.

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So am laying in bed thinking urghh i need to turn the screen to portrait mode so it doesnt automatically rotate. Turns out if you press and hold, turn the screen and it doesnt automatically rotate, and you can depress.

Pretty nifty IMO whoever thought of this at Jolla clearly needs a raise lol

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This rotation locking trick is neat.

But comparing with n9 i really miss profilematic and phoneassist, which i'm using for always-on call recording. Actually, i cannot believe there is no way to output pulseaudio streams to a file using some cli magic - it's still linux, isn't it - i'm hoping someone comes up with script to always start recording when call gets connected. Patchmanager has the tweak for vibration alert when call gets established, i suppose the same mechanism could also start recording(?).

I'm gonna google it, too, see if i can find something.

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After the latest big update I've had much less reboots, but earlier this week my phone went crazy and rebooted five times straight, every single time I thought it was gonna work, back to the Jolla logo we go! I have tried the paper trick...

Yesterday I was going to take a photo and again it happened. Had to remove battery as well as it wouldn't even reboot otherwise.

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After A LOT of thinking, I decided not to buy it after all. I am willing to give away my 100 eur discount voucher, which is still valid by the way. I will provide a person interested in this with the credentials to access the jolla store and the voucher code. If it's possible to change the name and the shipping address, then it's all yours to enjoy. PM me to arrange the handover. There is no deadline from now on for your applications.
So, anyone willing to get their jolla with 100eur rebate and "the first one" TOH?

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phone calls don't pass through pulse audio. It's all handled by android bits.

An idea I have is to find an open android recorder app and see how it handles call recording API-wise then trace this API and see where it takes us. I just did not have enough time to do it.

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Check With jolla and see if you can use it to buy jPhone ll. I dont think the terms and condition say IT only for this jPhone.

Why not start you own competition With the voucher as first prize?

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Nice suggestion, Dave, the latter one. Once I held a competition with a mobile phone as the main prize and various goodies as the secondary ones. There was no inscription fee, but people were reluctant to participate.
As for the former, I don't think there will be any other jphone. And terms and conditions say it was valid until 30/06/2014, but due to the delay of sms banking confirmation, the checkout procedure aborted and the voucher code I had previously was not accepted anymore. I wrote to care.jolla.com and they provided me with a new code.

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After not using Jolla for a long time, I reseted it and updated Kaajanlampi --> Maadajävri --> Tahkalampi. However I had strange problems related to charging and booting. If the phone was on and charging and I powered it off, charging hung up at the logo where the cable is detached. It didn't show the animation where the cable connects and you see the percentage of battery. And, sometimes if I tried to power the phone on, the red light would come on and nothing happened.

Well, I again reseted the phone and updated Kaajanlampi --> Maadajävri --> Tahkalampi. Now I don't seem to have these problems. Difference might be, have I restarted the phone between updates and have I signed in with the Jolla account already in Kaajanlampi or wait until Tahkalampi.

But wait... yes, you guessed right, there's another problem now! I've had 720p .mp4 videos on SD card since December, they are in YouTube format. Now with Gallery player I can't seek any of those videos. The slider just shows that the video is at its end, but it does show the time correctly. If you try to seek it, it jumps to the start. However, I can still seek Jolla's original Thank you and Other half videos. And LLs vPlayer can still seek all the videos. But I like how the Gallery shows the video thumbnails and in order by date.

I've never had this Gallery problem before with any .mp4 video. And I didn't even have it with Tahkalampi after the first reset & update round. Can the Gallery be fixed without another reset & update round?

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Maybe a codec issue? There is an Ultimate Codec Support metapackage in openrepos.net, read the description for installing tip.

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You have also searched TJC* &/or posted there?
Search/post here's a good start, but good idea to do so there too.

*together.jolla.com

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I had similar problems. Switched from Jolla's own charger to some random from the drawer and no such problems anymore.

Haven't used my Jolla much either past month or two.