Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Dude, it's Godzilla, you do fans a disservice calling him Gorilla.
Back to your Qn: it's okay Dave, ignorance s bliss*, bask in it... ;)

*or maybe it's really just trollyness

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

If Google is OtherHalf I will burn myself!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Check this unique concept of a hardware keyboard! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MXd6...layer_embedded

This is also made by Infinity - the concept partner of Jolla...
here: http://infinity.fi/?portfolio=huawei

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The kbd looks fairly uncomfortable, and it folds the wrong way aroung AFAIK...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yea, it's just a concept but a great idea anyway :)

The idea is to use it as a kickstand :D

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

join.jolla.com

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

My other half is a keyboard :P

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Doesn't seem like it. Seems like the other half is a customizable back plate.

Design-wise, I'm impressed.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well, not sure what the interface between the back plate and the phone is, but it may in the future include a keyboard. I was half joking anwyay.

I didn't get a chance to see the video(s) yet, but it looks good so far. Price is also very decent - I was honestly expecting 600€+.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

There's video interview from today in finnish media where the guy demoing the Jolla phone says that the back plate design has interface for hardware add ons.

Whetever anyone will make those in another matter, and obviously depends on how well it sells.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Thanks for sharing - that is pretty cool, having looked at some of the attempts to add hw keyboard to the N9. I understand if this isn't available yet, but it actually opens up the possibilities.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The price is decent, but then, this isn't really a high end device on the hardware level. That's probably smart, if it means they can get out a higher volume. Volume is more important than margins at this point.

As for availability/volume target, this looks to me more like they try to be a N9 than a Google Developer Phone. If that's correct, then volumes are definitively important from day 1 to be able to document a market presence.

We all know an upstarters first phone won't get 3% market share alone, but the target is probably set so they can be taken seriously when they later tell future investors a claim like "we had a decent demand and reception so far, now we are setting our target to % of the smartphone market within y years".

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Just so you know, the new "general discussion" thread is here, this thread was moved to off-topic some time go.
There's one other thread targeted specifically towards "Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms"...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Thank you.

Yes, I find myself off-topic 100% of the time ever since my Maemo device semi-died. If the thread isn't already off-topic, I will prompty attract one of the forum troll's personalities.

My idle speculations are not worthy of being called an Idea or Criticism. I just wanted to share my POV on having a decent price on the new device.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

A thanks is not possible in this sub-forum, so just a +1 for you ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

What's wrong with this thread for general discussion? Even more important: does the "other thread" have the sailing adventures that Dave999 posts?! If not, it's not worth my time ;-)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I Concur.. !

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

@ggabriel & @Dave999:
jalyst sees himself as the unofficial off-topic police here ;)
Just ignore !

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'm not too worried to be honest, and it's all good with jalyst - I always appreciate someone who wants to put some order.

At any rate, the other more serious threads are also derailing. In a way, it's good news for Jolla.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'm wondering how many people actually paid money to preorder.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Hard to say. But when jolla start sending out pre order queue numbers we might the a clue. At least a few guys here preorder very fast and should have numbers around 100 at least if jolla starting at 1.

Anyone have seen the sailfish browser yet?

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No, but let me add to your wishlist:
- Mail reader
- Maps
- General reader (RSS especially)
- Messages (SMS, XMMP, etc.)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You still have a chance 100EUR is there

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Mike computing, I don't believe for for a second that you are buying a Jolla device. You strike me more as a windows kind of guy.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Nah, definitely more of an iOS fanboy... "runs & hides"...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I vote for 'rantboy' *g*

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Me restless :p

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

any chance jolla adding an even bigger screen before release. 4.5 is pretty small IHO.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

dave im going to have a talk with them and they will make a 6.3" phablet just for you.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I reckon that if you buy 2 of the 100€ preorders they go personally to your home and install Sailfish powered touch flooring. That should give you plenty of space for your apps.

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I would just prefer regular Mer on a NOTE.
But to go all-out would be to put Mer with a UX that I have in mind (best combo of WebOS, Android, WP) with specs such as:
- 4GB RAM
- 2GHz Dual Cortex A15 (28nm)
- LITTLE.big 1.2GHz Dual Cortex A7
- 5.2in 1080p SLCD-IPS+ Display
- 10 finger Capacitive screen with Digitizer
- S Pen with Silo
- 128GB NAND and microSD expandable
- 5V charged microUSB with HOST (better than OTG)
- Notification light, Kickstand, Bezelless and Front Stereo Loudspeakers
- 4MP Ultrapixel with OIS but one that doesnt suck like One's
- Noise cancelling mics, aGPS-GLONASS, BT, Dualband WiFi
- Miracast functionality
- HDMI-Miracast Dongle accessory
- "Other half" concept with symmetrical USB contacts at back
- qwerty/azerty accessory, gamepad, etc etc

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

That would be a truly amazing device. Please DO IT ASAP! I would PreOrder at Once.

Ok. Anything else you want to add? :D

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

what do you mean by "regular mer"?

Mer is just a core. Not even middleware, don't even think about GUI.

The two most known OS's that use mer as core (apart from Sailfish) are Plasma Active and Nemo.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You'll note that he separated out the UX.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yes, make sure it's a 1080p screen. Not that lame 720 crap.

And while you are at it. Make sure the device is military green!

Thx

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Also, make sure it comes with a projector and a coffee machine, but proper espresso one, not that filtered stuff.

On a more serious note, I doubt that 1080p makes sense on anything as small as a 4-5" screen. Then again, and depending on the technology behind the interface for the other half, we may have a bigger folding screen - the technology for that is out there, not commercialised [as far as I know] but it is there.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

To be honest you can probably get a 1024 x 600 screen on a 4-5" screen, and in most (90%) instances it would be just as good as a 1920 x 1080 (which is x3 times less dense).

And having a "low-end" 1.5GHz Dualcore S4 Snapdragon-2GB RAM would be as quick as a 2.0GHz Quadcore A15-3GB, in most instances.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

That, and I'm sure you don't need dual core anyway. You don't need a Ferrari to go to buy groceries either, but some people have it, and in the same way I'd happily use a single core 2GHz CPU that can go as low as -say- 500MHz, as opposed to two 1.5GHz ones that can go as low as 500MHz. The former will use less energy, and get single tasks done quicker, and I'm pretty sure that I don't use applications that require multi cores, hence the OS doesn't need to worry about multiple processors, and so on.

I reckon Jolla will do well with "low" or "mid" end hardware - the idea is that the OS is smooth, that's all. The only tricky bit I expect is the browser, especially in those pages that don't have a mobile version, as Javascript can be quite heavy; _but_ there is no phone, high end or not, that handle those well enough. In fact, some laptops/desktops also struggle if they are a little bit behind on the spec end.

Also, if you use the phone to compile, transcode, run genetic algorithms, well, it's going to be as fast as it is, isn't it?

We're kind of joking in this thread anyway, we ain't know anything, and we won't until the _actual_ phone is *actually* announced.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You don't get it about Dualcore devices.

When in standby they shut one of the cores down, and clock the remaining one to the lowest frequency and voltage. This is usually 150MHz @650mV.

When in "low power" state, they will clock that single core a little higher; eg to 300MHz @800mV.

After that, it will stay on the same frequency (300MHz) and turn the other core on and alter the voltage slightly (850mV). This point, it will be using a little more power but will double all tasks (well, almost all).

Depending on the Application, most wont require more than 800MHz @900mV to run. But having that second core is useful in almost all instances and will increase responsiveness without a big hit on power. This is one area where iOS thrives, and where Android lags behind (Apps aren't made specifically for target device, target device not tailored for specific app, efficiency is compromised).

However, newly arriving Modern Apps, are no longer light software... they're more powerful and more demanding (some even desktop grade). I think a 1.2GHz Dualcore can handle most of these well (leaving enough overhead for the OS, multitasking for other Apps).

So clocking higher than needed, especially when the overhead is already large enough... its just extra performance not utilized, but still dampening the battery life. This is why having a 2GHz processor can be a battery hog, and is not quite useful (yet).

Going quadcore does increase performance... but by a small margin. However, the power hit is just as high. So its an inefficient choice. Or at least for the time being, the OS's still need to mature and dev's need to convert their Apps to take advantage of such things.

Hence, 1.5GHz Dual > 2GHz Quad ... it offers the necessary power at better voltages, but it isn't future proof.