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I noticed Media player also showed zero songs for every playlist, but still played the songs while showing their length as 00:00. And ä/ö/å letters in file names were messed up.

I copied one video from SD card to PC via USB cable and copied it back to SD card. Seeking the video started to work. I copied another video and it worked too. But soon problems came back for the first video, and then the second video, in a matter of minutes. At the moment I can seek the first video...

Diagnosis: SD card file system has got the flu.

Planned treatment: Copy all files back to PC, format SD card, copy files back (or buy a new SD card). Remember to always remove SD card when reseting or updating the phone, so the SD card won't get infected.

I also installed Patchmanager and tried the Gallery video player tweak, seems to work well.

Indeed I've been using the original Jolla charger. My Nokia AC-10's connector is broken. Time to upgrade to a Samsung 2 Amp charger :D

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I did a full reset of my Jolla, then the process of incremental updates. Took quite some time to complete. Then did a restore and most of my stuff is back.

However i too have noticed the Media player issue, the fault has been raised on jollatogether but no proper fix yet.

I find jollatogether to be a chaotic mess and so i just can't be bothered with it anymore :( My jolla will go back into my desk draw till the next major update and i will then see if it works again.

Still no Fsecure solution or angry birds covers... or anything that was advertised way back in February as "coming soon" :(

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Nuff said, Amen!

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So, your suggestion as-to-what would've been much better, & why?
Or perhaps you feel the platform's inherently sound, but just needs some serious pruning/tweaking?

You asked them about all of it lately? Can't hurt to press them on stuff like that occasionally, should take all of ~5min.
Not that I care about the stuff you listed, it was all "gimmicky" to me, want the real TOH story.

But in your last post, you observed that a charger wasn't what fixed your "issue"?

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Interesting. I couldn't find any mention of the Gallery seek problem on Together though. Guess I'll have to see if these Gallery and Media player problems are actually related or not.

It seems that the problems were caused by a reset & update round, and strangely fixed after doing it again. I hope I don't see these problems anymore, but if I do I will also test another charger, to rule out the charger factor.

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I asked about progress on fsecure, in particular, on twitter. No those from Jolla but fsecure said it was coming soon. Just another six months to wait then? An interested cloud storage solution is important to me. There was no resolved from Jolla care or hq.

Jolla care needs a propper website and forum manned by its staff. It's not right that the easiest way to get information is on Maemo.org.

I fear that it is becoming a hobbyist phone. A store where developers can release paid for apps would be very useful too.

For me it's just not ready still. I will give it time but at the moment it has been relegated to reserve phone.

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It was said long(many months) ago that Younited comes after summer.

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Your sentences don't make sense, but I think I get the gist of what you're saying, especially this. I agree, I'd like something interesting on the cloud front (no pun intended) soon.
But of the other things they announced that haven't been delivered that you alluded to, that's really the only thing I don't consider to be a gimmick (if done well).

Huh? They did that deliberately, we had a long & detailed discussion with them here, & subsequently they agreed to keep the forum here.

You get more info. here? I would think that the vast majority would be at TJC nowadays, at least info. of a support/troubleshooting nature.
Certainly it looks that way to me, I trawl TMO regularly & it seems much lighter than I'd otherwise expect it to be, now that lots is going on at TJC instead.
Support centred around the device, OS, & core/stock apps there, community apps/content & general chit-chat here, & occasional overlap between both ofc.

Or are you simply saying that there's not enough responsiveness from staff at TJC? If true that's disappointing...
I hope they improve that, also wouldn't hurt if they manned here a bit more actively, & xda-dev, now that they're getting more followers from there.

Most importantly I was asking more along the lines of....
What ways do you think TJC can be tweaked/pruned/improved, or do you think Askbot's just fundamentally broken, if so, what's a better platform & why?

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Correction:

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That should have read"integrated cloud storage". I missed the bit about our coming after the summer.
Trouble is right now I need a device that is a little less "work in progress". I'll pick the Jolla up again in the autumn.

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My time with Jolla came to abrupt end a month ago when it got stolen and I have no way I could afford a new one.

My six months with Jolla were almost pure love. It was nice device to use: so fast, fluent and intuitive. Everything just worked and monthly updates and active community were pampering me. New, cool and smooth apps were a supprice coming from Symvbian.

Weirdly the most missed function of Jolla is for me is ability to create now-playing lists in music player. I waited for that functionality 10 years!

There was only one thing I missed from old days and I noticed it after I reverted back to my dying N8 after my phone got stolen. The camera. Jolla just did not have what N8 had and now camera of Jolla feels a showstopper.

Now my I think I'm gonna to wait for a native sailfish device with better camera (or possibility to install it to good camera phone) if I ever can afford smartphone,

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Is it possible to achieve gapless audio playback with Android music players such has Poweramp? Has anyone tried this?

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has anyone bought/tried TOH cases from flypig?

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First impressions on first day of ownership:

1) No USB Mass Storage support. Unfortunately we'll have to live with this due to Sailfish's file system setup (which will become more supported by Linux OSes as time goes on), but that feature would have been handy if possible.

2) I can't find my external SD Card's position on the file system. I believe it is supposed to be in /media but there is nothing in that folder in my case. My card is formatted FAT32 so it should be mounted without a hitch. Perhaps the destination changed again, anyone with pointers?

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Yeah, it is unfortunate but indeed inevitable due to the big limitations of supporting mass storage directly. I think I've seen people doing some experiments with exporting loop files over mass storage and ideas about exporting uSD partitions, so I guess we will see if something comes from this. :)

BTW, I'm using sshfs/sftp with public key authentication and it works like charm. :)

It should be in /mount/sdcard/<UUID>/ (UPDATE: the correct path is indeed /media/sdcard/<UUID>/, not /mount/sdcard/<UUID>/) and I can indeed see my EXT4 formatted partition on the uSD on this path just fine.

The bash script that does the mounting is located in /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh and should support FAT32.

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1) Well, that's unfortunately the direction in which all major OS's are moving. The MTP protocol originates from Microsoft and has some flaws, but it is understandable, that Mass Storage causes problems. However, there is a way...

2) How big is the card? I have 32GB one, formatted to FAT32 and everything works fine (yes, it should show up in /media). Maybe try to reformat it?

EDIT: Didn't see MartinK's answer, so just to add here: I'm using sftp/fish as well and it's a very comfortable way of moving files.

EDIT2: It is indeed in /media/sdcard/<UUID>/, not /mount/sdcard/<UUID>/ in my case...

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Update: this app has sorted the first issue out (which in turn makes the second point irrelevant). Transfer is slow but good enough for me.

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Well, I wouldn't call it flawed - I would rather call it brain-dead stupid ;) I was aware the protocol is rather simple and originally targeted very simple media player devices - but haven't really though it can be that bad until I've read the Wikipedia article. :) As it stands at the moment (no support for seek of any kind, only one operation can be done at a time,...) the MTP protocol is a lost cause for any other use case than copy-a-few-files-and-pray-it-works unless it is totally overhauled to resemble something at least semi-functional.

Oops, fixed, thanks! :)

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I have sent my Jolla for repair(vibration, speaker, reboots) and have been (re)using N9 as main phone for several days now. Some comparison below:
- Jolla is way(3x) faster, but N9 feels smoother and more polished and complete product.
- N9 AMOLED screen is joy to look at, it has a magnitude better readability in the sun than Jolla screen.
- N9 feels premium, where Jolla feels cheap.
- Jolla UI had evolved to the right direction from N9, getting rid of buttons. I really miss Jolla swipes on N9. But still Jolla had a long way to go to make its UI logical and easy to use all the time with various tasks. It lacks the small tricks and clever moves that are making the user experience WOW.
- overall Sailfish in Jolla wins hands down over Harmattan, only inferior in smoothness and visual appeal. I hope Jolla to stay afloat for producing Sailfish OS 2.0 - that will be something! :)

So in conclusion - Sailfish is really promising and heading down the right track. But HW Jolla uses is just cheap and lacking the Finnish design virtues.
Hope Jolla will do its homework and shine with Jolla 2 soon.

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Going back to the SD card issue, mine is a generic 4GB Class 6 card that came packed with another device. It mounts fine in my Galaxy S2 and my PC. I have tried taking it out and reinserting it to no avail. I'm considering buying a bigger SD card so I want to make sure there's nothing wrong with my hardware.

EDIT: Just tried a Sandisk Ultra 2GB card, and it works fine! Maybe there's only limited support in the kernel or something.

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Yeah I have big expectations of the jphone ll. Even more so than the first jp. My only fear is jollas understanding of the word premium. Cantbunderstand how they can consider their first phone to be just that. Its not. Its a pease of **** :D still a great beginning and hope they building a more solid ship next iteration. A flagship or a battle cruiser.

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Native QuasarMX audio player from jolla store has gapless playback.

Jphone2, too bad i have to skip this, too many touchscreen devices, it have become an addiction. I today dusted off my casette walkman and found my tapes have survived 20 years of no use seemingly without aging, planned obsolence is tragic.

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I think Jolla's pricepoint is acceptable. They don't have the economies of scale to manufacture a small quantity of phones so cheaply, and they don't use a platform with a very wealthy parent that heavily subsidies it.

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@Paspie
About the price point - it is OK for the SoC, RAM, memory etc. But built quality is really low. Whatever the price so many design and HW issues are not acceptable.
Also - there are people(like me), that do not care if it costs 400 or 600 euro, but they want nice materials, good design, adequate screen. I would have gladly paid even 700-800 euro for Jolla made of metal, carbon etc., 720p AMOLED screen, thinner bezel, with quality components, without SIM tray issues, without vibration problem, without battery problem, without speaker problem and the list goes on.
Yes, I understand Jolla is too small to produce and sell nice device at higher price, but I think current price is not adequate for the build quality and materials used.

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I think the price is adequate, but I would certainly not pay more than 400EUR for any smartphone. Yes, I paid 400EUR for Jolla, to support it and was not disappointed - would pay again. But since I had also bought an 'almost new' N900 for ~80EUR and I don't expect to see a comparable phone in the next few years (who knows about Neo900), I don't see the point of spending 700-800EUR for a new phone.

In my opinion, Jolla feels exclusive and reliable, design and quality-wise. But then again, I've never experienced any SIM tray, vibration, battery, or speaker issues...

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@nodevel
Being a Jolla TJC regular user - I can't say device is reliable. Not even close. There are numerous threads about the random reboots and shutdowns. With hundreds of confirmed cases amongst Jolla users. Add together all the above mentioned HW issues affected users and calculate the ratio against the sold units. You are ending up in 10-20-30% faulty devices.
And I see a point spending 700-800 euros on a device - to support the choice and variety. But Jolla needs to work harder.
That said - I do appreciate the effort and admire the boldness of Jolla team! I just want the relationship between us(users) and them(Jolla) to be #unlike. I do not want excuses like Appe's "You are not holding it right" :D

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It seems that there is lots of variance from device to device, some people get the HW faults and some have never seen any. (like myself, no HW problems with my device)

The problem obviously is not Jolla's but with the OEM who makes the devices. (what this means is of course that Jolla should have a tighter leash on their manufacturing partner. OTOH it is not possible to do that when you are a small company, when compared to the large players that can screw the balls off their MFG partners...)

All in all, the device feels pretty much on target regarding quality for the money.
When compared for example to the current Microsoft lineup of devices, there are about similar level of HW defects found on the phones.

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Compared to what? The N900? Or...the N97? (not isolated cases)

So far the phone's hardware has had a pretty solid track record, no broken USB ports, no destructive lens covers, few screen issues...especially when compared to many late Nokia symbian-era phones, a couple I have noted. Now the phone does have a much smaller install-base so HW issues will be rarer but proportionately the engineers have done a pretty splendid job, especially for the ex-Nokians.

Now the specs and design? Yes, they could have done better, the screen and the camera being a particular low point. But this is still their first phone, and just like the HTC Wallaby, HTC Dream and the original iPhone, there will always be a few things the manufacturer hasn't quite perfected yet, especially with relation to new software. Give Sailfish, and Jolla, some time and I think you'll have a smooth ride.

And to those who are having software issues, what have you been doing in Developer Mode?

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Totally agree with this. I personally have had no problems with the phone at all, except for the stuck vibrator thingy right in the beginning. My brother also has the phone, but he has the random reboots, speaker not working, weird software glitches... And he doesn't do anything with the phone, only calls, text, mitakuuluu and music.

I aldo think that Jollas price is pretty much to the mark. This is right price for the phone. I do admit, like someone before, that I would have paid much more for this phone, and given opportunity to buy phone with modern specs, but with build quality and desing like those old Nokia desing phones (Scirrocco and Luna comes to mind) I would be ready to pay a lot more for a phone tham 400€



Has anyone heard anything of app like Easy answer for N9 to exist for Jolla phone? I really mis that shake to answer ability, also speaker switcher and turning the phone around to silence the call. REALLY REALLY missing those, but can't find anytjng similar for Jolla

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[QUOTE turning the phone around to silence the call][/QUOTE]

...there's no flip to silence on jolla?

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@MarcAnton
No, there isn't flip to silence on Jolla. It is road-mapped though, you can vote here: https://together.jolla.com/question/...one-face-down/

But Jolla implemented a bad(for me!) call reject interaction flow which does not make sense: https://together.jolla.com/question/...-want-it-back/

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any word about proper copy and paste or do I have to create 1 million account in the togheter jolla and vote 1 million times before it happens? Just asking. Please fix jolla.

Please vote and/or comment:

https://together.jolla.com/question/...te-capability/

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Maybe they will listen when you stop calling it jPhone ? :p

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I really want to be able to interact with other apps when peeking

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See the first answer here: https://together.jolla.com/question/...-mass-storage/

don't remember it exactly where it gets mounted, but check with mount. That should tell you if it is mounted and where.

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Two issues: my Aloe ambience changed colour, it used to be a lot darker and it was easy to read everything. Now it's totally light and it makes reading text really hard. I can post comparison pics later... If anyone has any really good ambience pictures that are readable please share.

Second issue: my external speaker has gone silent. I sent a repair request to Jolla, I hope they answer soon.

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@Miharin Try tapping and squeezing Jolla at the left bottom corner(where speaker is located) when playing some music - usually helps. But you will need to send your device in for repair sooner or later.

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mine gets REALLY laggy when I open android apps now...

they occasionally freeze.. and then get a force close on them.. :(

solution anyone?

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You could use Crest or Lighthouse to see which process is responsible of the high CPU load.

You could also use Alien dalvik stop (on Openrepos) to see if the problem is related to an Android app.

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Well I needed a stockish wallpaper so I could show off the phone to someone, so I tried to get the TOH ambience working, as for whatever reason the phone stopped detecting it. Not having searched about how it works, I removed the NFC tag thinking that there would be some sort of PCB underneath, but to my horror there was nothing, which means I've basically destroyed the small piece that made it work at all. I put it back on the TOH and into the phone, it doesn't work of course and it will probably never work again.

This was the Keira Black OH. I could dig out my still-sealed white OH to check the NFC interface, but to be honest I can't be bothered with this sort of thing. Now that I've fussed about it at all I can now say that the whole TOH thing, when used just for ambiences, is a complete afterthought and a waste of my time. Once Funky's store is restored I'll get one of his Carbon Fiber OH's so I can forget about the whole fiasco.