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so am I correct that the cash(was it $1B or something like that) that Nokia got from the MS deal is pretty much all gone by now?
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Wait... didn't you start with a declaration of that I should watch my mouth, assuming you meant some speculation portion that you didn't agree with only to do the very same thing just a paragraph or two later? > The windows phone argument seemed irrational. you made the argument it would fail down right and center, because people are not flocking to buy it yet. the prediction i made was based on data provided externally, and by checking pattens and trends i concluded. Actually the iOS point was not my own, i posted a Link, and read it several places, 1. Android Beats iOS in china. 2. Fall in share prices because of falling iphone sales. > Notice, i said 50/50 chances for windows phone. I do believe they "CAN" do it. when android starts to decline > Android decline? (Market satiation- No innovation) > The android decline point. Yes, i "Believe" so. Give it time. But the argument can go both ways. Why did i say android will decline and windows may grow? the same reason people who had an iphone let it to try android. |
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The second one is that even if we assume that android will decline we don't know if WP will gain anything out of it. We're talking about an OS that has repeatedly failed to gain any traction. The latest proof of this is when Nokias CEO was working on his company best interest and took out symbian WP didn't gain ANYTHING out of it not only that but it actually lost market share since then. The third and the worse assumption you make IMO is that the rise of WP will help competition and innovation. Nothing that includes microsoft will ever help competition. They have failed repeatedly to interest people so now they are suing everyone with bogus patents, buying out symbian, there's a rumor they want to buy a piece of RIM so another buy out might soon happen, Microsoft need to stay far far away from the Mobile market and roll over and die they belong in the 90's and early 00's where they bullied OEMs, train 3rd party resellers to bad mouth competitor OS and shove windows down everyones throat every way they could. |
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At current, Iphone 4s in developed countries such as the US are declining, this is due to people looking for "4G" phones iPhone sales to continue declining until ‘iPhone 5′ launch, Canaccord says (Source)http://news.yahoo.com/iphone-sales-c...140012258.html Apple shares fall If what is said is true, that the iphone 5 is coming this September/Oct according to Foxconn. exc (Source)-http://www.bgr.com/2012/04/09/apples-next-iphone-to-launch-in-october-according-to-foxconn-exec/ there are still 6 months before the Iphone 5 comes out. and this if windows phone improves, they have a chance, but they must be good. The innovation i talked about is not Windows Innovation, but everyone innovating as a result of increased competition. At current they all do the same thing. I don't know if it's me but, it's only apple doing the innovating, then others follow, samsung bringing back the stylus is hardly innovation. |
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Last rumor I read was iPhone 5 with LTE in June...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402524,00.asp |
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...another thing to remember about iOS: Apple's 25-30% market share is based on one company with one main product. Their margins blow the doors off of the larger market share owned by Android and nobody is in a position to create those kind of margins. So you have a hugely cash-flush company with a history of phenomenal execution. They may stumble, but I doubt it will be in the next 18-24 months.
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Well, there are falling stocks
Apple down 3% the last week (but up 44 % YTD) and there are falling stocks Nokia down about 7 % the last week and down 22% YTD If things get worse and MS offers to buy Nokia as some have suggested than possibly Nokia stock will go up (but MS will probably go down). If Nokia starts to turn it around and windows is selling than Nokia stock will go up. So is now the time to buy? |
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If MS makes for a buy-out of Nokia after Elop got in their and killed the company I would hope for a thorough investigation. It would smell very rotten.
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