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It is true. Some exif information can be read from the file but it is only related to the parameters set up on exposure but still no information about the light.

That is why a comparison of two phones at the same time are better, however that way also some photos of one and some photos of the other phone can be better because settings are also should be very similar and a small difference in the light may cause different automatic settings...

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This thread is truly EPIC. By reading it I have learned about phone manufacturing process (which it started with), collective anticipation and joy, trolling and accusation, marketing and Chinese overseas tolls and postage. And finally something about phone I ordered so long ago.

Currently I am learning the soul life of past and present cameraphones. Truly Epic!

I wonder what else we are going to go through before I get my hands on the phone ;)

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Well, what did you expect?!
Many delays, many people without the device yet, and a few people received the device but they boxed it up already.
So yeah, let's talk about stuff [emoji23]

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^This is IRL, others is happy to "learn" things while waiting and other just want it "to me and just now or before" - first positive and then negative waiting...

But after all, everything is good... This is just life... There are so many in third category. Us, who did not preorder ( i still have that #3 ;) )

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That the S10 was supposedly one of the better phones, which had huge improvements in low light conditions over the S7. But it was still producing terrible pictures.

Yes, so? It's a crop, but still at the original pixel density. It's unscaled, it's the original quality, I just removed a bunch around it.

I really don't care, since it's unrelated to the point. Even with the updates I'm sure you can take terrible looking pictures, because it all depends on the conditions. And judging a phone's camera on 1 or a couple of terrible pictures when there are also good pictures is stupid.

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Interesting to see how much camera means on the phone. So far have heard very little about the other specs and how the phone works. Anyone done any benchmarking with games or other cpu/ram hungry stuff? Also I have now only got feedback of how SFOS doesn't yet work. Are there any other Os yet to try? Have anyone tried? I am a bit out of that picture. I mean there is Postmarket and Debian and Kali (yes Debian also) and some others and because so many had urge to have sometthing else working on the new hwkb device with open bootloader - so are they working at all yet or is it something to happen in the future when people have had time to found out how?

I'm interested to know how good replacement for a laptop this device is, not that much how good replacement for a camera. Not blaming anyone of having this talk of the camera quality though. It is part of the device and many like to take a lot of pictures with phone so it means a lot. I myself shoot with b/w film and mainly with awesome Nikon AWAF pockect camera (have also mounted iphone fisheye to one film pockect and an sdrl 50 lens to an old pocket cam from 1980s and like to experiment a lot). The main proper film cam I have is Olympus OM2N with very sharp 1,8f/50mm lens and an almost unused (about 10 rolls shot) black Zenith XP.

But so I'm very eager to here of benchmarking and other Os possibilities.

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Got message from Chen that the issue is fixed, and we should see an OTA update soon.

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I actually didn't expect anything less! Only thought that the discussion would truly beging after the phone is delivered, but nice to notice we are allready going. Eventhough most of us don't have the phone. And thats what I found funny :D

Eagerly waiting my phone. Hopefully it arrives before january when I have ditch my work phone because I am leaving for a looooong holiday. :p

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https://community.fxtec.com/topic/24...&comment=34883

Status update from Erik

Hi everyone,

A small update you for today. As some of you know our US shipment from the first batch has still not reached our US customers due to strict US customs regulations. According to the latest, the first US batch is being returned to our Hong Kong hub, but it's currently being queued in a customs office's sorting facility. We know the stock will arrive back, but by the time that happens, our next batches from the factory will be ready for shipping. Consequently, we will be bumping up the numbers of units in the next batches to accommodate for the customers designated from the first batch. EU and APAC customers have fully received the 1st batch, currently awaiting the next ones.

In terms of production, we know a batch of stock is leaving the factory sometime this week, but I don't have an official day for this yet. I expect that some of you will receive their stock assigned notice either late this week or sometime next week. But with this, it's important to note the time required to move stock between our 3 warehouses Hong Kong > Europe and the US at the same time.

To avoid the same customs issue, we will be choosing a different shipping method to comply with US customs regulations for our new batches. We understand this is very frustrating for both our US customers who were promised their device is coming with the first batch, and us for to having to ship the same batch twice and not meeting the promised US customers' expectations.

We are on track for general availability by Christmas, which of course means all pre-orders will be completed by then.

As always, thank you for your patience and support.

Erik

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Too bad about the customs issue. Sure things will be ironed out over time. Couple questions for those that have received theirs.

Have you use Google Play Store? If not are you side loading? Have you tried Fdroid to get apps? My guess is it will be awhile before a fully working version of Debian is on this device, but has anyone tried to chroot Debian. Kinda like EasyDebian on N900. This can be done using apps like Linux on Android (needs root) or Userland. There are others apps that do this as well. Like to hear about folks experiences with this. Especially since you have that lovely hwkb!

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Actually I think this shouldn't be a problem (or a while), nothing really special needs to be done other than having android working normally. Termux seems to be the most popular thing lately (a terminal emulator and chroot environment that come together), I have tried it (not on Pro1 tho) and it seems to work quite nicely. The lack of a HWKB on my current phone prevented me from caring to play with it much though. It does not need root to work even.

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Since i forgot my laptop charger for a 3 day trip i am currently doing you requested test as a laptop replacement. So far, no problems.

Main feat yesterday evening was to set up a vpn on my remote fritzbox via browser and nicely copy and past the credential into the android settings. alt+tab and ctrl+c ctrl+v ftw.

Emails are quick to answer with the kbd.
firefox sync helped a lot to get started quickly.

regarding Benchmarks, to me it is quite uninteresting.
It was fun to compare the 4 sailfish devices available some years back but it makes no sense with the android pro1 since it just runs like any other High end device from early last year. Awesomely fast.

Anyway, would like to write more but am on business trip. Maybe if you got aquestion i could answer more dedicated.
That is also the reason why i did not play with sfos...

*written on Pro1 in less than 5 min*

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Any opinions on this?
https://community.fxtec.com/topic/25...alled-for-ota/

There are comments from Chen and Erik in there as well, so be sure to read the whole thread to get the whole picture.

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Read it. Firstly it has been a bummer needing to use a bad reputation company for update system. It would have been great if team would have understood what kind of a fuzz it will cause when people notice it.

But - I understand why they haven't bothered. After the company got caught it had to change the updater, there are no more the parts in the software that were the problem, it got Google's security certification, and because it has a lot of customers I believe the working of the software has been audited since constantly and in detail.

This is why I think F(x)team should not be blamed on using it, but thinking of the targeted customers (privacy oriented geeks, hackers and folio hats) it was a mistake not to mark it in capital letters on the disclaimer of the device: FOR NOW WE USE OTA UPDATER FROM A COMPANY CAUGHT ON SPYING! THIS IS WHY:... And then explaining why they do it and trust it and such.

It would have been wise - or not. If the company and the updater are now trustworthy, it is rising up blames and claims which are unneccessary and not true. Very difficult situation to decide what to do and what is wise. Here are people who mind, who don't mind, who trust and who don't trust. Normally those who don't trust are the loudest. It doesn't mean those who doesn't trust anything and see ghosts behind every corner are the only ones with a right mind and right opinion.

What puzzles me though with the thread is that many suspected that the suspicious company updater would not be needed anymore after the device got Google certificate - but the team has not commented on that. Many now suspect that on the next update they would get rid of that suspicious partner from their system - but it is a suspicion, not priomise from the F(x)team.

Can it be removed or not? If it can, why no comments about it? If not, how to comment, what to say? So yes, the case is still open and the thread does not yet include any conversation ending answers.

If F(x)team would announce that they will push an urgent update to remove that stuff so that no one needs to have any doubts - even though the team itself has not have them and they absolutely guarantee that everything has been secure all the time - that could end the thread from growing with suspicion and spreading around on different forums.

That is the fastest way of marketing - people having doubts and alerting others. Stopping that, preventing that should really be their concern number one for the moment. Much worse than having shipping delays is loosing reputation concerning privacy matters.

Hope they can pull this suspicion electrifying plug off quickly.

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It matters only if you're going to use stock firmware. LineageOS or Sailfish won't have it anyway. But otherwise, I think the problem is exaggerated. E. g. Gemini PDA used it as well for the updates and it is common for many other devices.

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I'm not well versed into these things, but I think people are conflating 2 things to be the same. I think that if you'd do the entire process through Google, you have to first pay and get the device/firmware certified, and then pay to use Google's services to send the firmware to devices. There are separate costs here for Google, one to pay people examining the device to certify it, and one for server costs to host and upload the firmware from.

Seems that F(x)tec chose to do the first thing via Google, in order to get support for Google Pay and the like. But chose to do the second thing via a third party, probably because it's cheaper than Google but doesn't have any direct negatives like no longer having Google Pay support.

So, just because they got Google's certification doesn't mean they can just change to a different OTA provider. They probably could, but whether they have Google's certification isn't really relevant to this I think. It would come down to if F(x)tec thinks it's better to use a different OTA provider, and if they can afford it. But again, I'm not that well versed in this either.

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So, I'm on the verge of investing in one of these gadgets.
Judging by what I've read, it seems so easy to reflash with SailfishOS, way easier than a Sony anyway, but first I got some questions.

I don't intend to use it with Android, so I'll be reflashing it almost immediately out of the box.
What is the device like under SailfishOS?
Is it worth it, or should I wait? I'm not sure how far Jolla have got with the porting of Sailfish. I know there's a community build about.

Does it get SailfishOS updates OTA?

Thanks in advance. :D

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@stickymick

There is a thread with initial impressions over at the fxtec forum. there seems to be some key areas not functioning at the moment (like mobile data) so might want to give it a few updates before going all in, unless you want to help develop of coruse :)

First Impressions Sailfish (3.2.0.12) on the Pro1

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Thankees.
I'll wizz over and have a browse when I have more time.
I don't know the first thing about developing for Sailfish. I've tinkered with the VM on my Ubuntu laptop a couple of times, but other than that.......:confused:

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Very much in the same boat :D All i can do is point out issues.

The dream is to have a great port, or even better at full Sailfish X for the Pro1, let see if it happens.

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reality check......... If Jolla was not able to deliver fully working/issues free system in what, 3 generations now, why do you expect that it will happen on pro1? I get that nobody wants android, but the thing with pro1 is do you want a keyboard or not. And then everything else.

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That could have been the threads title all along to avoid misunderstandings.
Even starting with "Are your ready?" prefix would still work.

Bluetooth not working with any of my devices is the biggest bummer right now. It seems to be only one profile that is broken according to fx-forum and other users report working BT.
but all devices i need require that profile.

So to eleborate on my last post, the pro1 is my actual Laptop replacement right now since i still use my XA2 as main phone.

I simply can not cope with android and it will never ever see my main sim. But at least i now know why i love sailfish and meego.
It is all about centering the experience around the multitasking view for me. I hate how android handles switching between and information about running programs. "But there is Nova Launcher for that"... No, its deeper than that. I feel like in a rubber cell and the system thinks i am stupid and need to be protected from myself.
The other thing i could puke about is that blatant privacy breach behaviour if you do not disable all the candy wendy, "heyy you were at [Awesome Parking Lot XY]! How did you like your experience. Would you like to tell others about it?", "Yeah, you reached local guide level XX, now everybody knows what a great hipster prick you are when you downrate places".
Da fuq the Mount Everest got 4.2/5 stars only.
Who downrates a natural formation :confused:
I can not take it.

So, i use the pro1 as firefox, email, messaging, storage and photo machine currently, until i get home on sunday and flash whatever available alpha state of sfos port our hero porters offer. Hopefully i can browse the web okish. Thats whats most fun currently with the pro1.
Filling forms and interacting with (complex) websites in general was never easier on a phone imo.

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^ @Mosen ! I Love You <3

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Well, i love kinggo for summing up the 2941 post thread in one sentence :D

Edit, thinking about what to do to speed up sfos and pro1, i stumbled over coderus question if there is any discount for sfos lovers.
I decided to share half my moto mod voucher with him via paypal ;)

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for me the level of a OG Jolla phone or the Xperia 10 I'm now using is perfectly usable and the level I'm hoping for.

obviously id love it do be even better (browser cough) but the 15 apps i actually use daily are in Sailfish so I'm happy :)

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Thanks for the input everyone.
There's always the Gemini, I suppose. As Jolla have announced they are(?) working in partnership with Planet Computers to bring Sailfish to that device(?)
Cheaper than the Pro1 but not as refined looking and if you want to use it on the move you have to open it up like a laptop as there's no access to the screen while it's closed, be a bit of a pain texting while you're walking. Storage isn't as impressive as the Pro1 either.

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I'm not surprised, really. It's not that tall. I mean there's taller mountains on Mars, so it's nothing special to be honest. And it's even more littered compared to those, so that's a minus. I'd normally give 3 out of five, but I'm generous and give 3 + 1 for the effort ;)

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Did you read the reviews? None of the negative ones that I read were about the natural formation but about Google's handling of it.

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Well. I've only gone and done it, haven't I?

Just ordered a F(x)tec Pro1. I kept comparing the two (Gemini v Pro1).
The Pro1 won over the Gemini due to it's design and specs and the fact that it's expandable to 2TB of storage.
Just sit and wait for delivery now. Probably about 1 - 2 weeks I guess.

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Probably more than that, even a month. But don't worry, you did the right thing anyway :)

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Clove Technologies say they are expecting stock in around 10 days. But that all depends on F(x)tec getting them out on time.

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For some reason G insists on showing me reviews in my language only, so maybe it's biased, but... the 1-star ones are all about "no public transit", "could not lend ski", "no place to buy beer, fail" and so on. I hope they are jokes ;)

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Still waiting on my preordered fxtec

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I think a fair estimation for when you get it would be 20 December. There are still a lot of variables though so it's obviously not 100% certain, but I think most things point to every pre-order to be delivered around then. That, or later, but I really don't think sooner is an option.

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I just cancelled. It was either that or getting my third used stop gap phone. Going to use the refund money to buy a decent mid range phone and a trip to the Caribbean, and then start the wait all over when I can order the scandic version that was the one I wanted anyway.

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https://community.fxtec.com/topic/25...&comment=35254
Passing safetynet is something you can only do with Google's certification, so they're basically a synonym in this case. So I think what I speculated is correct.

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I gave my Gemini to a family member who was eyeing it wistfully. I thought it was buggy and it never felt like there was any real support for alternate OSes. The keyboard was awesome but flimsy and nearly impossible to use without setting it down on a flat surface. (I have small hands though.) Also, I couldn't get one of the proprietary adapters for HDMI out.

I still have my N900, though it was never my main phone. But my Nokia 7.1 isn't charging very well and I'd like to buy a new phone now.

My daughter loves her new Pixel, so I've been following the camera conversation with interest. But I'm not gonna lie, the Pro 1, with the HDMI out and all the other features I want (hwkbd, sd card, FM radio, head phone jack) is so very tempting. I will probably lurk a little while longer.

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I'm retracting my negative comment about the Pro1: ITS AWESOME! (aside from shitdroid but whatever, Maemo Leste will fix it)

Now if only I could find a notes app like osso-notes (dark theme, preferably FOSS so google & co don't read my inane ramblings and other BS) it'll be the N900 successor for me!

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Good to hear you are starting to be satisfied with Pro1. :)

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I knew that before you knew you would :D
Good to see you happy!

Did you get the first android update already?

73,1 MB fixes:
- touch screen freeze issue
- 3G issue
- HDMI Output
- Camera vignette effect
- issues with test OTA package

Sec Patch level still on 05.sept.2019
Version is QXW1000_EEA_05500.19Q401_20191111-1505


and i can comfirm HDMI working.

EDIT
And i have a good laugh and confession of incompetence for you.
There never where any Bluetooth issues with my Pro1.
Just both of my main bt devices had a fixed amount of paired devices and both did not delete old ones automatically and by coincidence both where filled with max number of paired devices for me to find out first time in years of use. And the mess goes on with both devices needing an App to manually remove old pairs. I am looking at you early Alpine and Plantronics :rolleyes: