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Silwer 2014-08-31 20:15
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
As my new employer provided me iPhone 5s, I can now compare it with Jolla.

Build quality of iPhone is way better than Jolla. Screen is small on iPhone, however, keeping phone in the poket i is way more comfortable. All apps work very well on iPhone. Battery lasts approximately the same as on Jolla.

Jolla UI is better and i had to jailbreak the iPhone to have it also accepting some swipe commands.

However, I am quite impressed with iPhone - UI is not so good, but everything works as it should work email, web browser, calendar sync and etc.

llelectronics 2014-09-01 08:08
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silwer (Post 1437766)
As my new employer provided me iPhone 5s, I can now compare it with Jolla.

Build quality of iPhone is way better than Jolla.
It costs 2 times if not even 3 times so much as the Jolla. So what do you expect ;)

Thoke 2014-09-01 13:39
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paspie (Post 1437744)
Well I needed a stockish wallpaper so I could show off the phone to someone, so I tried to get the TOH ambience working, as for whatever reason the phone stopped detecting it. Not having searched about how it works, I removed the NFC tag thinking that there would be some sort of PCB underneath, but to my horror there was nothing, which means I've basically destroyed the small piece that made it work at all. I put it back on the TOH and into the phone, it doesn't work of course and it will probably never work again.
Strange, I have the same problem too, phone doesn't recognise when I change TOH, doesn't ask to install yet-to-be-installed ambiences.

Other thing is that my Snow-White TOH and First-One TOH have never worked properly... the installations has always gotten me some strange stripe ambiences (white & shades of blue or white & shades of orange) which are ugly as hell. Actually I just noticed the TOH problem when I tried if the problem with my OHs had gone away with all these software updates... Now I can't even check that :confused:

Silwer 2014-09-01 15:53
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by llelectronics (Post 1437846)
It costs 2 times if not even 3 times so much as the Jolla. So what do you expect ;)
Thats true and iPhone is not 2 or 3 times better than Jolla... :)

nestori 2014-09-01 18:04
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinca (Post 1434705)
has anyone bought/tried TOH cases from flypig?
I have the "lego" OH, it's nice but aside the issues mentioned inthe shapeways page, I don't think this 3d printed material is very durable. I've had this for two weeks and it's already starting to show signs of wear in the edges. I think it is mostly because I like to store the phone in my jeans pockets and the fabric rubs the casing. (no keys or anything there at the same time).

eekkelund 2014-09-01 19:01
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nestori (Post 1437947)
I have the "lego" OH, it's nice but aside the issues mentioned inthe shapeways page, I don't think this 3d printed material is very durable. I've had this for two weeks and it's already starting to show signs of wear in the edges. I think it is mostly because I like to store the phone in my jeans pockets and the fabric rubs the casing. (no keys or anything there at the same time).
Thanks, I was just today going to order that Lego TOH. Now i will have to think again. :D

toki 2014-09-02 00:57
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi (Post 1436826)
You could use Crest or Lighthouse to see which process is responsible of the high CPU load.

You could also use Alien dalvik stop (on Openrepos) to see if the problem is related to an Android app.
iv noticed its crazy laggy (even when its not an android app) when my phone is connected the network (3G or 4G) and its trying to update/download something.
eg. when it updates my emails in the background, I almost can not do anything else because it freezes everything

will flashing the phone help resolve the issue?

bockersjv 2014-09-02 08:03
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by toki (Post 1438010)
....

will flashing the phone help resolve the issue?
Well it may do but there is no flash image available. A full reset may help.

llelectronics 2014-09-02 08:09
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
will flashing the phone help resolve the issue?
Lags on heavy I/O are to be expected. Thats just a limitation of the speed of the flash memory (no matter if external or internal) and the I/O scheduler used by the Jolla.

I know that the BFQ (not officially in kernel) promises smaller responsiveness delays on desktops. If Jolla ever thinks about upgrading the kernel they might want to think about patching bfq in and using this as default.

Overall I also experience lags on receiving mails but normally it does not come to a total halt. So a reflashing on the phone might help but not necessarily

aegis 2014-09-02 22:58
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thoke (Post 1437918)
Strange, I have the same problem too, phone doesn't recognise when I change TOH, doesn't ask to install yet-to-be-installed ambiences.

Other thing is that my Snow-White TOH and First-One TOH have never worked properly... the installations has always gotten me some strange stripe ambiences (white & shades of blue or white & shades of orange) which are ugly as hell. Actually I just noticed the TOH problem when I tried if the problem with my OHs had gone away with all these software updates... Now I can't even check that :confused:
The stripey ambiences are what you get with the white and first one other halves so they are in fact working although they've now changed the snow ambience to have a spotty pattern. Yes, they're ugly.

They only change when you change from one TOH to another so for example, if you have the white TOH on and swap it for the first one TOH you'll get orange stripes and new sounds. If you have the white TOH on and select a different ambience from the phone, take the white TOH off and put it back on, it won't change the ambience because it would be annoying to have your selected ambience change every time you took the TOH off. This behaviour changed around the third OS release IIRC.

The ambiences are downloaded from the store.

Do not remove the stickers. The NFC tag is part of the white sticker, not in the plastic behind it.

Thoke 2014-09-03 09:44
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aegis (Post 1438084)
The stripey ambiences are what you get with the white and first one other halves so they are in fact working although they've now changed the snow ambience to have a spotty pattern. Yes, they're ugly.
I didn't know that Snow White Ambience was originally stripes. ... And now I searched for Snow White ambience in tjc, it really was as intended, I really couldn't believe it! And The First One was similar to Snow White except in different colors... I wonder If they have updated that ambience too or is it still those ugly straight vertical stripes...

juiceme 2014-09-03 10:15
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thoke (Post 1438103)
I didn't know that Snow White Ambience was originally stripes. ... And now I searched for Snow White ambience in tjc, it really was as intended, I really couldn't believe it! And The First One was similar to Snow White except in different colors... I wonder If they have updated that ambience too or is it still those ugly straight vertical stripes...
The First One ambience is same as it has always been, no update there.

_Rpger 2014-09-06 12:53
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
I thought I'd report some problems i've had lately here to see if someone has had the same issues/has a solution to it.

I noticed my phone getting considerably more sluggish during last few weeks, mainly when texting/calling/browsing contacts. To a point of being almost unusable. Now I finally found the issue, on contacts beginning with + - # and ( there are thousands of random numbers (facebook contacts etc.)

Complete reset seems to be obvious solution since there is way too many numbers to delete individually, and manual deleting doesn't even seem to work right now for some reason.

I'll report if the reset worked when i have the time to do it next week, any other solutions are also appreciated.

m4r0v3r 2014-09-06 13:47
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
took a few days for my phone to get to Jolla(reboot issues), and a few days later its been sent back. They said its been repaired, I asked how they haven't replied. Am wondering if such a quick turn around meant they just replaced it?

zlatko 2014-09-06 17:45
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
@m4r0v3r
Jolla repair service usually takes 2-3 days at most. You can check the status and what has been repaired/replaced using your phone IMEI here: http://www.kirjaahuolto.fi/huollontila/haku.php
(if you haven't)Read this: https://together.jolla.com/question/...rranty-repair/
Jolla's standard solution for reboot issue is clean battery contacts, install pillow, replace battery. That is what was done to my device and since then(13 days) - no reboots.

m4r0v3r 2014-09-07 08:01
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zlatko (Post 1438445)
@m4r0v3r
Jolla repair service usually takes 2-3 days at most. You can check the status and what has been repaired/replaced using your phone IMEI here: http://www.kirjaahuolto.fi/huollontila/haku.php
(if you haven't)Read this: https://together.jolla.com/question/...rranty-repair/
Jolla's standard solution for reboot issue is clean battery contacts, install pillow, replace battery. That is what was done to my device and since then(13 days) - no reboots.
Ah I see, well as long as its fixed. I just had enough of using a wedge, it was very annoying and impractical at times.

edit: damn it they havent changed anything in regards to the battery, only the sim reader which was also having trouble.

According to that page anyway

edit again: got my phone back, to my surprise, no random reboots or any issues whatsoever, pretty happy :)

m4r0v3r 2014-09-28 12:47
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
hmmm i play music with the headphones in and it played out of both the speaker and headphones, obviously I didnt notice till way into my bus journey lol, not quite sure how to recreate the bug as a restart fixed it

Paspie 2014-09-28 17:09
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
A month and a half on:
  • The system nag to connect to the internet, even when the browser isn't open, is annoying.
  • The screen should not turn on whenever I unplug my earphones, or when I adjust the volume.
  • The screen auto-rotation has stopped working (I should probably report that on together.jolla).
  • I have a USB hub that has a direct 12V connection to the mains. Whenever I turn off my PC, the Jolla stops charging despite having power from the hub, so I have to disconnect reconnect the wire each time. That should not be necessary.

Miharin 2014-09-28 21:37
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
I also have had annoying "nag" about connecting to the internet all the time, this was especially a problem in Japan where I deliberately wanted to keep my mobile data and wlan off because of conserving battery, but every single time I open an app like camera it would pop up the "internet is off, turn on wlan" window on top. If I want to use internet I can turn it on myself thank you.

m4r0v3r 2014-09-28 23:51
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
its mostly annoying when using an AGPS app after a lock has been found

pycage 2014-09-29 16:35
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Miharin (Post 1440922)
I also have had annoying "nag" about connecting to the internet all the time, this was especially a problem in Japan where I deliberately wanted to keep my mobile data and wlan off because of conserving battery, but every single time I open an app like camera it would pop up the "internet is off, turn on wlan" window on top. If I want to use internet I can turn it on myself thank you.
The N9 had the same issue. There it helped to turn off GPS tagging in the camera app.

sillycrimes 2014-09-29 17:43
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Anyone else experiencing that the vibration is really inconsistent when using the keyboard? Some presses give really strong vibrating feedback while other barely vibrate at all or none at all? Seems random.

sillycrimes 2014-09-30 21:29
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Hopefully we'll have a new OS update soon. What are people's recommendations regarding OS update procedures? Just download and update? Factory reset before? I remember reading some forum posts that it can be risky to update your device if not done properly.

juiceme 2014-10-01 06:06
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sillycrimes (Post 1441265)
Hopefully we'll have a new OS update soon. What are people's recommendations regarding OS update procedures? Just download and update? Factory reset before? I remember reading some forum posts that it can be risky to update your device if not done properly.
Certainly not factory reset :D:D
I think if you do that you'll roll back your SW level to the 1.0.0.5 version, and you have to install all the subsequent releases to get to the current level :)

alfmar 2014-10-06 21:51
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
...And after almost five years with an N900 I finally got a brand new Jolla.

My first impressions:

- while the N900 is "everything tap" (unlock sliding and three taps to get into music), Jolla is "everything swipe"... it will take a while to familiarize

- i fitted a lace on my N900 (making it more ergonomic and... fun), Jolla doesn't have the hole to add it

- my N900 had a kickstand and the sliding camera window

- my N900 came with 32Gb storage

- my N900 was large enough to accommodate a standard mini-SIM, not a bizarre micro-SIM

Except for "gigabytes", I bet that none of these will be fixed in Jolla 2.

vistaus 2014-10-06 23:10
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Last point is moot anyway. We're at a stage where nano SIM is becoming default in more devices (which in turn is the sucessor to micro SIM) so don't esxpect a regular SIM slot in a modern smartphone anyway.

gerbick 2014-10-07 00:10
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
I find it odd that a regular sized SIM was considered a "feature"...

salyavin 2014-10-12 16:57
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Well I do hope SIMs don't get much smaller. I want to move them between devices without tweezers.

vistaus 2014-10-13 20:32
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by salyavin (Post 1442740)
Well I do hope SIMs don't get much smaller. I want to move them between devices without tweezers.
And not just tweezers, before you know it you'll also need a microscope!!!

Paspie 2014-10-13 22:42
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Before you know it you'll need a soldering iron. :(

romu 2014-10-22 09:26
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Hi,
Pretty new here as I'm new Jolla owner (after a N900 and a N9).

I really like the Jolla phone and Sailfish, and find some criticisms a bit too much. But anyway, I won't read 295 pages, so I'm asking my questions about 2 issues I've with this phone:
- wifi connections is pretty weird and inconsistent, already a known issue? With or without fix?
- I find extremely difficult to connect the phone with SFTP. My N9 didn't have such issue, connecting with SFTP was straightforward. With the Jolla, I've to try several times to get the phone connected. Here again, known issue? With or without fix?

Thanks.

nodevel 2014-10-22 09:33
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by romu (Post 1443755)
Hi,
Pretty new here as I'm new Jolla owner (after a N900 and a N9).

I really like the Jolla phone and Sailfish, and find some criticisms a bit too much. But anyway, I won't read 295 pages, so I'm asking my questions about 2 issues I've with this phone:
- wifi connections is pretty weird and inconsistent, already a known issue? With or without fix?
- I find extremely difficult to connect the phone with SFTP. My N9 didn't have such issue, connecting with SFTP was straightforward. With the Jolla, I've to try several times to get the phone connected. Here again, known issue? With or without fix?

Thanks.
Welcome :) Yep, some people seem to enjoy blindfolded criticism. Nothing is perfect...

1) Yes, it is a known issue and while it gets better with every update, it still is a problem. However, there is a workaround that might seem a bit odd, but I personally got used to it after just a few days of using Jolla (and it's been over 10 months now, not having almost any wi-fi issues). The workaround is to turn of your wi-fi when you leave [home/work/other public wi-fi] and turn the cellular on. When you come near to a known wi-fi again, turn the cellular off. It is almost automatic for me - having the control center in events/notification view helps a lot!

2) I have no problem with SSH connection and file access, but I admit I use fish:// instead of sftp:// (on all my devices - it has proven more stable). It should be just a matter of calling fish://nemo@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/ instead of sftp://nemo@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/ .

Hope it helps.

vistaus 2014-10-22 10:01
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
1) Yes, but I have that problem on Windows 8 and Linux desktop as well. No one seems to nail the WiFi driver writing these days...

2) No problems with that using Nautilus 3.14 on Antergos.

romu 2014-10-22 12:39
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Thanks guys,
I'm on Fedora 20 + Gnome 3.12, so "fish" is not available, and sftp is...difficult.

nodevel 2014-10-22 12:49
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by romu (Post 1443785)
Thanks guys,
I'm on Fedora 20 + Gnome 3.12, so "fish" is not available, and sftp is...difficult.
Ok, just tried SFTP and it works great as well. Not sure where is the problem...

SSH works fine, otherwise?

romu 2014-10-22 13:00
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Yes, ssh works. I don't have feedback long enough to say "well" but it works. I suspect this may come from the bad wifi.

ggabriel 2014-10-22 14:32
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by romu (Post 1443790)
Yes, ssh works. I don't have feedback long enough to say "well" but it works. I suspect this may come from the bad wifi.
Try to switch on the screen on the phone, otherwise it's in energy saving mode and it takes ages to respond :-)

Morpog 2014-10-22 20:01
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
New sailfish-browser design uploaded today:
https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfi...0f2f818368d0b6

cvp 2014-10-23 16:12
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
looks nice, when we will get it ? :D

vistaus 2014-10-23 18:03
Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 
Looks more like Webcat now so that's definetly a plus from me because I love Webcat! With this new design, chance is big that I'll switch from Webcat to sailfish-browser as main browser :)


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