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Not necessarily. At least in theory. I see no problem with the manufacturer producing more units if he gets paid. After all, only about 1k are on sale at Taobao as far as we know and there were 12k ordered altogether, so the manufacturer would have to produce more anyway.

I practice though, I do not see the future so rosy. I challenge Jolla to prove me wrong.

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Yeah, but who on earth cares about smart watches?

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investigating what?......... :confused:

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Its only the hardware side that is totally borked, The software side is still going strong. Now if there was only a way where they could be spit up, into separate two identities maybe . Hardware and software?
Then you could just scuttle the hardware side and sail off towards a glorious sunrise in the software side.

Still that split is never going to happen is it! :)

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now i understand why the split up...to make bankrupt with hw part and going only with sw one?...no, i quite still trust them.they dont seems types able to do this

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I know a company who fell from marketleader to zero by ignoring the smartphone trend for long time, so...
We will see what the future holds ;)
I am not sold completely either at this stage!
But all puzzle pieces for a convincing watch are in place.
I thought jolla would have the guts to be visionary and prepare for the trend.
But my wish fails with a financing solution also, i admit i am a sushi chef talking wishfull hot air on tech...
so after all, i am still impressed by how jolla manged to survive as long as they did!

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I think smarelopches have already filled their niche with the original pebble - a remote for your phone. All the added 'features' since have been as extraneous guff for showoffs. They've overreached and will retract back to. The TV market makes this mistake often; previously with 3d. Now curved screens. In the end they're just TVs again.

The tablet choice made sense to demo sailfish could support a range of arch and resolutions.

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Hi, what a mess in Jolla. Should we wait for our Jolla tablet or get a refund at this stage?

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Have Jolla's intellectual properties been stolen ;)

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ehm at the stage you had better to buy another tab on ebay,

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You seem to be unaware of the way most manufacturing business is done in china.
When some device manufacturing is subcontracted to a factory, there will be a number of devices made for the customer, to the specification. However, the company can and will make batches of the same device for domestic market "moonlighting", these devices will often be exactly like the official brand devices, except of course come with no warranty whatsoever.
This is why there are so many domestic-market-iPhones in China for example. The same goes for everything, from cameras to cars.


It's not looking that bad yet :)

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In China it is called sharing, IP is never stolen there.

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And that mysterious ex-market leader would be...?

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As far as I am concerned, that is their main drawback. Give me a waterproof watch with a camera that works autonomously and I will consider it. Watches that are mere extensions of the phone are pointless toys for rich kids.

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"We have received financing to continue Sailfish OS development from our investors.", Antti said.

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Well, color me surprised. Antti Saarnio is currently talking on IRC, and has "good news" (most of which will be delivered tomorrow in a media delivery / blog posting?). But, in short, Jolla's gotten some amount of financing. :)

EDIT: And, of course, I'm scooped by velox. :)

EDIT2: As for tablets:
EDIT3:
EDIT4: On the tablets being sold by taobao:
EDIT5: Slightly more detail on financing:

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From mer-meeting:
More info in blog post tomorrow.

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will that damn Jolla tablet be delivered to all backers? Or can all backers get a refund?

I switch to Lumia for PureView and will never look back

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That is indeed great news given that the it also includes the tablet shipment.

Hope for tablet invite and more snow tomorrow. Sail on.

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Think I want snow more than I want a tablet, can you send me some please?

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The sale of the Jolla tablets on Taobao. It's linked in the tweets (and earlier in this thread)

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Not sure I agree. At all.

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The blog won't tell whether the tablet shipment gets restarted. :( Antti mentioned that they still need to review what to do about the tablets, and that won't happen until after Christmas. And, one of the options mentioned is just sending out refunds to everyone...

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Really happy to heard this news. I just hope that in the next future, Jolla will be able to learn from its mistakes, improving communication, transparency, and not making promise wich aren't sure to be respected. I also hope a more openness (of course under a sort of license that doesn't allow new companies to just come and steal all the work done, but give community's developers possibility of improving it and use it for no profit purpose- just as proposed in some previous irc meet)..
But in the meanwhile, really really CONGRATULATION for all hard work done and for being able to deal wich this economical/financial hard time...You eventually seems toe able to see some light after the tunnel, and I have to admire you for that.

PS: just to joke (but not at all). From now, I hope you will be really careful to use word " SOON" :) since it could be dangerous

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Wtf! Review? Not acceptable.

Refund OK. Tablet OK. Nothing NOT OK.

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dave be calm...he means that they have to meet just to decide if choose refund or go on with producing and shipping

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So. Tell us, which option is the right one? The tablet is a bit old now, the factory is unhappy, customers are unhappy. But just sending out a refund will make lots of folks even more unhappy. And, choose right this instant, since you don't want to take time to review. ;)

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If you want to go that route, search for a Taobao *agent*.
They do exactly this business of buying stuff on Taobao market and shipping it to their western customers.
How trustable / reliable they are it's up to you to decide when you contact them.

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Same here. I've a 70 year old watch that is still useful, requires no software updates and no charging.

I've a 3 year old smartwatch that is as much use as a chocolate teapot.

Smartwatches try to solve a problem that has already been solved.

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Refund to the customers that wants that. Tablet to the ones that and no tablet to the one that will change it to gift.

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Is there an IRC log somewhere?

I tried irc about a decade ago. Tried again just now and still can't get the hang of it.

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So jolla software division gets the finance, don't see how this helps 'tabletgate' as he put it.

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Exactly, they suggest you need something you really don't need (phablet, tablet, smartwatch).

Oh yes, I love my mechanical automatic watch..

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I can only speak for myself, of course but for me there is only one option.

• If the tablets are delivered, that's fine.
• If not, I don't want any refund for it.

This was a crowdfunding operation, which means that the money I donated was for the development of the tablet. The money has been used as described, in development costs. I have no right nor any interest to demand my share back, as this is a kind of risk venture. In risk ventures there always is a chance of losing your share.

People should understand and accept this when taking part into crowdfunding operations; the donation is a donation, you give it in your free consent as a contribution towards something that may or may not manifest some time later.

It is definitely not like buying something that already exists somewhere, ready to be delivered to you. Rather, you pay for the creation work, and even if nothing manifests the work has been performed already.

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+2 to that. delmar and aegis
I have my gramps pocket watches which I have kept in stellar condition.
and wear them all the time (ww1 trench pocket watch wrist band...like these remakes
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/171340264208?...84.m1436.l2649
...but mine are a little more secure (stronger thicker metal work...course mine are fairly old too...but the leather is supple and good..)

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I tend to agree with you but seems that so many people misread and misunderstood their indigogo investment... that to limit the damage, I am not sure that Jolla can afford alienate so many people.

My preference would be that Jolla offer a choice:
- either get a refund
- or receive the tablet with a delay (that I hope they can respect :p)
- or not claiming anything.

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http://mosushi.net/bingo/images/22.svg

Yes wrong forum to pick such an apple centristic definition of smartphone. Sorry to mislead you.

But hey, i am so unfair and measure in market success, which came from convenience and a redefinition of the market.

Quote me in 10 years if you like: we will have no smartphone alikes anymore.
The display/device unification we witnessed over the past 10 years was only founded in technical limitations, namely missing wireless standards to effortlessly share an output to any screen.
Screens will be Screens again in my "convenince wins Vision".
Displaying content will happen wireless to multiple dumb screens in all sizes to match the current workflow all around us.

All i ever asked for is one personal trustworthy device for interaction and storage.
I did not ask to attach a battery hungry but always to small display to it, i already have them. All around me in every room and soon my glasses will have a subtile low energy HD beamer directly to my iris!.

And where is the most convenient place to have that master device.
Your wrist or a even more subtile place i lack the imgination to find.
Sailfish gestures would have been killer to operate on a watch and use its small display as a kind of trackpad mainly to operate what is happening on bigger screens with content.

The one thing that makes everyone look like a complete ***** when trying the half baked versions of watches or glasses we have now, is the user having to concentrate on what he is doing and detaches himself from the outside world for that time.

What i hate most about phones is that i constantly let them fall, have to search them and need at least one hand to operate.

Makers of Dick Tracey got it right decades ago.
Everything since then is a puny milestone on the way.

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/d/dicktracy.jpg

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Sorry, I thought you were talking about smartwatches as that was the topic of the discussion at the time. I had to go back to your post and noticed my mistake.

I would not link smartphones and smartwatches in any meaningful way. Both words start with the same letters but so do aftershave and aftershock.

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I agree but also disagree. I don't see it as a pure donation especially not when a 150 Ppl org launch the campaign.

Also when using stuff like stretch Goals your responsebility increase further