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jalyst 2013-07-20 11:42
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1360351)
Old dinosaur Nokia instead relied on the old-fashioned and seemingly deprecated usage of product- and platform-specific websites, where most information and news were conveniently aggregated.
Nokia fans couldn't get the depth of info. about progress for Harmattan (or projects before that) that we've been getting for Nemo/Sailfish, not even close.
You don't think they'll have product pages at launch? There's already dev pages, and no shortage of info. there for them to get started.

ggabriel 2013-07-20 11:56
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1360338)
Thanks, obviously written by a fanboy and shame about the not-so-great English, but I liked the videos and summary. It also supports my desire of testing BB10 if I ever have a chance.

jalyst 2013-07-20 12:01
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1360356)
...it also supports my desire of testing BB10 if I ever have a chance.
There's some pretty good threads here, have you been following them? (haven't been very lively lately though)

Lumiaman 2013-07-20 12:18
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I like how the fanboy gives due respect to iOS. It's been seven years since iphone was launched and it still rules th world. That is the success of true innovation. What I see in Jolla is refinement, but that is enough to sell to maybe 10k fanboys around the world, not to light the fire like iphone did. I still don't know how functional their email and keyboard are, something that everyone uses the most.

jalyst 2013-07-20 12:29
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1360362)
I like how the fanboy gives due respect to iOS. It's been seven years since iphone was launched and it still rules th world. That is the success of true innovation. What I see in Jolla is refinement, but that is enough to sell to maybe 10k fanboys around the world, not to light the fire like iphone did. I still don't know how functional their email and keyboard are, something that everyone uses the most.
Definition of a fanboy: Someone who gushes at how "teh awesome" & " teh bestest" something is, without going into great detail as-to-why it's much better than X/Y/Z.
Which in the case of iOS Vs Sailfish is a pointless exercise, until Sailfish has had at least 6mth to mature in the real-world, but that [clearly] won't stop the fanboys on both sides.

ggabriel 2013-07-20 12:32
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1360357)
There's some pretty good threads here, have you been following them? (haven't been very lively lately though)
Not really, but I appreciate the information. To be honest, I'm waiting (hoping?) that my company lets me swap my business iPhone for a BB10 device (the Q10 ofc) and then try it. I won't hold my breath though, and I won't get desperate if I never get a chance to do it.

ggabriel 2013-07-20 12:36
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1360362)
I like how the fanboy gives due respect to iOS. [...] I still don't know how functional their email and keyboard are, something that everyone uses the most.
If you are suggesting that iOS's keyboard and email client are anywhere near decent, then let me tell you that I completely disagree with you, from somebody that mainly uses his iPhone for emails. Explaining why both "features" smell would take time that I don't have, but there you go: my opinion.
In addition, and by challenging fandroid friends, it doesn't seem like Android's email client is any better, at least when it comes to IMAP. Needless to say, gmail works perfectly (duh).

Lumiaman 2013-07-20 12:50
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1360367)
If you are suggesting that iOS's keyboard and email client are anywhere near decent, then let me tell you that I completely disagree with you, from somebody that mainly uses his iPhone for emails. Explaining why both "features" smell would take time that I don't have, but there you go: my opinion.
In addition, and by challenging fandroid friends, it doesn't seem like Android's email client is any better, at least when it comes to IMAP. Needless to say, gmail works perfectly (duh).
Seven years of being a king means you are doing it right. iOS email is not the best, that goes to WP. However N9 was the worst email client in the history of smartphones. I ha to stop using it because of it, and keyboard was also way worse than iOS. Predictive input was horrible, and keys were not well spread out. Jolla needs to show me that the most used features are flawless. All they are showing now is their multitasking (my N9 never multitasked as it froze all the windows when left just like iphone does for obvious reasons to help battery life) and swiping which honestly are minor points in regular users lifestyle

Lumiaman 2013-07-20 12:55
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1360364)
Definition of a fanboy: Someone who gushes at how "teh awesome" & " teh bestest" something is, without going into great detail as-to-why it's much better than X/Y/Z.
Which in the case of iOS Vs Sailfish is a pointless exercise, until Sailfish has had at least 6mth to mature in the real-world, but that [clearly] won't stop the fanboys on both sides.
Definition of a fanboy: comparing OSs without even having the product in your hands. That is the worst kind of fanboyism and deceives audience of whether the OS is worthwhile buying or exploring. the facts are based on incompete OS and no device. I bought N900, because it was claimed that it will support all kinds of email including corporate email. Well, it didn't. I was deceived by fanboyism.

jalyst 2013-07-20 13:01
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Did I say the author of the article isn't one? I merely intimated that you share much in common.

TheoX 2013-07-20 13:25
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1360374)
Definition of a fanboy: comparing OSs without even having the product in your hands. That is the worst kind of fanboyism and deceives audience of whether the OS is worthwhile buying or exploring. the facts are based on incompete OS and no device. I bought N900, because it was claimed that it will support all kinds of email including corporate email. Well, it didn't. I was deceived by fanboyism.
Where is the Thank you! button, because I really need that for your post! Still Lumiaman, you are fighting alone, and you will be overwhelmed and hated bu those you just described, but it's a good thing you still keep on doing the right thing against them and try to wake them up.

Quote:
http://www.jollausers.com/2013/07/wh...-a-comparison/

Thanks, obviously written by a fanboy and shame about the not-so-great English, but I liked the videos and summary. It also supports my desire of testing BB10 if I ever have a chance.
This website is not endorsed by Jolla Ltd. or any other foundation or corporation. Maintained by couple of enthusiasts.

So the information posted here is not valid, as they wrote that article without a hands-on device. The article was written by pure fantasy and dreams!

jalyst 2013-07-20 13:34
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by TheoX (Post 1360382)
...and you will be overwhelmed and hated by those you just described, but it's a good thing you still keep on doing the right thing against them and try to wake them up.
Define clearly & succinctly "those" & "them"?

ggabriel 2013-07-20 14:52
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1360373)
Seven years of being a king means you are doing it right. iOS email is not the best, that goes to WP. However N9 was the worst email client in the history of smartphones. I ha to stop using it because of it, and keyboard was also way worse than iOS. Predictive input was horrible, and keys were not well spread out. Jolla needs to show me that the most used features are flawless. All they are showing now is their multitasking (my N9 never multitasked as it froze all the windows when left just like iphone does for obvious reasons to help battery life) and swiping which honestly are minor points in regular users lifestyle
A couple of quick points:
- I think your N9 is broken (if you bought several, several were). Multitasking works great on mine, I wish iOS could do basic things like start loading a website, go elsewhere, come back and the website is loaded. If that's impossible because of "battery life", well ok, make a better OS. Not my fault that Apple sucks at making technology lately. The N9's battery life outlives iOS's, and I use the N9 _way more_ than the iPhone
- Have you tried swype? iOS doesn't give you that option and is critical if you ever use your phone with one hand. Like, use the _mobile_ phone while walking for example... kind of using a mobile device to be mobile, right?
- I believe iOS's mail app is the worst that I tried so far, and I use N9's. 99% of the time I read my emails on the phone, that's something that iOS can't do properly [on IMAP]
- I disagree that iOS has been king for 7 years, I think my Nokia 5800 has always been better than my iPhone 4 at everything I use the iPhone for

Lumiaman 2013-07-20 18:13
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1360407)
A couple of quick points:
- I think your N9 is broken (if you bought several, several were). Multitasking works great on mine, I wish iOS could do basic things like start loading a website, go elsewhere, come back and the website is loaded. If that's impossible because of "battery life", well ok, make a better OS. Not my fault that Apple sucks at making technology lately. The N9's battery life outlives iOS's, and I use the N9 _way more_ than the iPhone
- Have you tried swype? iOS doesn't give you that option and is critical if you ever use your phone with one hand. Like, use the _mobile_ phone while walking for example... kind of using a mobile device to be mobile, right?
- I believe iOS's mail app is the worst that I tried so far, and I use N9's. 99% of the time I read my emails on the phone, that's something that iOS can't do properly [on IMAP]
- I disagree that iOS has been king for 7 years, I think my Nokia 5800 has always been better than my iPhone 4 at everything I use the iPhone for
You are what we call a fringer. A man with very low expectations. n9 is a great device if you are coming from Dark Ages. Not for a contemporary man!

Lumianan 2013-07-21 10:05
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1360466)
You are what we call a fringer. A man with very low expectations. n9 is a great device if you are coming from Dark Ages. Not for a contemporary man!
What have I told you about being rude to people? Wait until I get you home, you naughty boy!

I hope you've got your vest on.

danramos 2013-07-21 10:12
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1360098)
So you do still hope for some traction for their descendants... Nemo/Sailfish.
Or you continue to maintain the "See, I told you so!" attitude that their failure is a given?
My opinion is that it's still too early to tell. I'm putting them in the same boat with Mozilla's new mobile OS and Ubuntu's new mobile OS--they're late to the game, but they're already starting off far more consumer-friendly and less open-source and developer hostile than Nokia did with Maemo and MeeGo. That alone gives me some more hope--but after the experience with Maemo and MeeGo, I also have learned not to rely on hope and hold my breath. They still need to compete with Android and iOS for market share to make themselves viable but then Linux had to fight the behemoth that was Microsoft and has been steadily coming out on top year over year. It might be not a fast climb to the top for any of these. That's my position--it's basically a good start but what will REALLY count is how they listen to customers and community along the way while maintaining a successful business model. For my perspective--as I've said all along, I'll gravitate to whoever gives me the most of what I want. Openness, flexibility, trust, compatibility/library and support are big for me and the people I work with--I like Android (especially CyanogenMod for its AOSP) but I still yearn for something better. So far, I've not seen it. Not even in Jolla.. but it's still early days--but I remain skeptical until I see more evidence that they're not just going to behave like Nokia did.

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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1360098)
Eh? Since when?
I seem to recall some carriers and vendors (ie. Verizon and T-Mobile among others.. http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/carrier-advisory-group) already trying it out--and I know you can already install it on many Google Nexus devices (like my Galaxy nexus). So it seems like it's already getting some traction. Maybe I'm wrong?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1360098)
I was trying to be clear, it was a honest Qn, based on a long posting pattern.
Ah, so you were talking to me. Boggling! :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1360246)
Why are you leaving out FreeRTOS?
CRIPES! You're right! Need to remember FreeDOS, TRON, QNX and FreeRTOS too!

jalyst 2013-07-21 10:49
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1360641)
My opinion is that it's still too early to tell. I'm putting them in the same boat with Mozilla's new mobile OS and Ubuntu's new mobile OS--they're late to the game, but they're already starting off far more consumer-friendly and less open-source and developer hostile than Nokia did with Maemo and MeeGo. That alone gives me some more hope--but after the experience with Maemo and MeeGo, I also have learned not to rely on hope and hold my breath. They still need to compete with Android and iOS for market share to make themselves viable but then Linux had to fight the behemoth that was Microsoft and has been steadily coming out on top year over year. It might be not a fast climb to the top for any of these. That's my position--it's basically a good start but what will REALLY count is how they listen to customers and community along the way while maintaining a successful business model. For my perspective--as I've said all along, I'll gravitate to whoever gives me the most of what I want. Openness, flexibility, trust, compatibility/library and support are big for me and the people I work with--I like Android (especially CyanogenMod for its AOSP) but I still yearn for something better. So far, I've not seen it. Not even in Jolla.. but it's still early days--but I remain skeptical until I see more evidence that they're not just going to behave like Nokia did.
Fair point....
I think we've seen lots of evidence already (just in how the interrelated projects have evolved) that they're very different to how Nokia behaved.
But yes, there's still some question marks over the degree of openness (which isn't just about blind/regular code dumps ofc) in some areas.

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I seem to recall some carriers and vendors (ie. Verizon and T-Mobile among others.. http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/carrier-advisory-group) already trying it out--and I know you can already install it on many Google Nexus devices (like my Galaxy nexus). So it seems like it's already getting some traction. Maybe I'm wrong?
What people have been able to try, is Ubuntu chrooted in Android, it's far from where they're headed with real Ubuntu Touch.
Most of the people trying it, aren't actually contributing a single thing, they install it for a while, find they can't do SFA, rant/rave, & then remove it.
It's a good publicity exercise, it's resulted in far more visibility for ubuntu touch than sailfish (& ubuntu touch already benefits from ubuntu's brand in other form-factors), not really dev progress though.
That's one thing Shuttleworth has in spades, marketing/spin instinct. There's still some question marks over that advisory group, it's more about "keeping up appearances" than any real progress*.
More significantly, they still don't have any hardware partners, that's what needs to be lined-up pretty soon...

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Originally Posted by Lumianan (Post 1360639)
What have I told you about being rude to people? Wait until I get you home, you naughty boy!
I hope you've got your vest on.
What do we have here, the anti-Lumiaman?


*which in itself can serve a purpose, & be good strategising

thedead1440 2013-07-21 11:10
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
jalyst,
The flipped images being offered by Ubuntu recently are all about booting into Ubuntu with Android in the chroot so they are certainly on the path to where they want to go but questions remain about, among other things, the feasibility of them arriving by their self-set deadlines...

jalyst 2013-07-21 11:17
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedead1440 (Post 1360658)
jalyst,
The flipped images being offered by Ubuntu recently are all about booting into Ubuntu with Android in the chroot so they are certainly on the path to where they want to go but questions remain about, among other things, the feasibility of them arriving by their self-set deadlines...
The path they want to go entails no longer using SurfaceFlinger hooked into libhybris, but rather using Mir (among other things), that's still a long way out.
But agreed, the time-lines they've set for themselves have [largely] been VERY ambitious...

ggabriel 2013-07-21 13:29
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1360641)
My opinion is that it's still too early to tell. ... They still need to compete with Android and iOS for market share to make themselves ...
I agree with that it's too early to tell, but I'm interested in how things will turn up to be like, for instance:
- Jolla won't need to sell millions of devices to be successful [in the short/mid term], so they can take certain liberties.
- Firefox is tricky since they are funded partly by Google... not sure how they'll expect money back from their Firefox OS, perhaps just licensing? In which case, how much do they need to sell to be successful and continue their work?
- Ubuntu: not sure about how big they are and what their success goals are. Again, they don't seem to be selling any device, so money-wise maybe it's just licensing?
- Tizen: I'm pretty sure Samsung will want to sell millions of devices running this for a certian period of time to justify their investment.

For what it's worth, I hope all of them will be a success and in consequence continue with their work, we certainly need more options rather than fewer. Will developers have to maintain more versions of their software? Well, yes, so what? It's been like that for years... maybe it will get better with standards, but for now that's totally understandable.

jalyst 2013-07-21 15:55
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Canonical IIRC plans to have their own device(s), & then sw they license for partners devices (carriers etc), quite similar to Jolla.
There is some significant differences in their approaches, but I can't recall all the detail OTTOMH...

don_falcone 2013-07-21 17:28
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheoX (Post 1360382)
Where is the Thank you! button, because I really need that for your post! Still Lumiaman, you are fighting alone, and you will be overwhelmed and hated bu those you just described, but it's a good thing you still keep on doing the right thing against them and try to wake them up.



This website is not endorsed by Jolla Ltd. or any other foundation or corporation. Maintained by couple of enthusiasts.

So the information posted here is not valid, as they wrote that article without a hands-on device. The article was written by pure fantasy and dreams!
ACK'd, +1 for both of you.

danramos 2013-07-22 09:36
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1360701)
For what it's worth, I hope all of them will be a success and in consequence continue with their work, we certainly need more options rather than fewer. Will developers have to maintain more versions of their software? Well, yes, so what? It's been like that for years... maybe it will get better with standards, but for now that's totally understandable.
I agree--the more the better. I'm also happy to see that Windows Phone isn't relevant. We don't need to re-live the heavy-handed, closed-source, insecure black-box, customer-hostile Microsoft 90's again. As I often will tell my employers, vendors and other people openly, 'Anything but Windows, please.'

Dave999 2013-07-22 10:21
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Now you have to fight apple instead. They are just as customer unfriendly as a Microsoft.

Dave999 2013-07-22 16:03
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Ubuntu launched its campaign today.

jolla vs ubuntu.

preorder today and get it for $600.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge

jalyst 2013-07-22 16:11
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
RX-51's post (which seems to be a ongoing edit) & my response beat you to it, Dave :)
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...11#post1361011

Dave999 2013-07-22 16:17
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1361029)
RX-51's post (which seems to be a ongoing edit) & my response beat you to it, Dave :)
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...11#post1361011
Congrats, only because I was bizzy think if I should preorder or not. This dual boot thing makes me really hard.

jalyst 2013-07-22 16:33
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1361033)
Congrats, only because I was bizzy think if I should preorder or not. This dual boot thing makes me really hard.
Settle down... take a cold shower...

mikecomputing 2013-07-22 19:19
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Twitter:

"Carsten Munk ‏@stskeeps 7m
We are the innovators. They are the imitators. Come on - hey, don't you know how we started. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYWtyJGq4vo"

Dave999 2013-07-22 19:35
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1361110)
Twitter:

"Carsten Munk ‏@stskeeps 7m
We are the innovators. They are the imitators. Come on - hey, don't you know how we started. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYWtyJGq4vo"
Ok, so it needs some competition to wake up jolla. Maybe this will force them to reach out and start communicating with the endusers, US.

One could only hope.

jalyst 2013-07-23 00:25
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1361110)
Twitter: "Carsten Munk ‏@stskeeps 7m
We are the innovators. They are the imitators. Come on - hey, don't you know how we started. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYWtyJGq4vo"
I don't get it...
Is there meant to be some hidden meaning/suggestion in that song?

gerbick 2013-07-24 14:01
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Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1361199)
I don't get it...
Is there meant to be some hidden meaning/suggestion in that song?
Not everything that Ubuntu is doing is in the open. They're using a lot of other people's code, and aren't contributing back. Not yet and probably not until after they've made their money from those changes...

Sorta something like that. I'm trying to convey quickly what seems to be a very troubling situation. And I'm definitely not exactly the best person to answer since I don't know all of which code and/or libraries are being used: think it started around libhybris.

qwazix 2013-07-24 21:37
No, it started much earlier, during the first mer days. OG Mer was to be (toting the familliar hildon-desktop) the ubuntu mobile distribution back in the days of karmic. I'll leave the details of what happened as an exercise to the reader as I don't know the exact facts and I don't want to misinform.

jalyst 2013-07-25 16:04
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1361699)
Not everything that Ubuntu is doing is in the open. They're using a lot of other people's code, and aren't contributing back. Not yet and probably not until after they've made their money from those changes...

Sorta something like that. I'm trying to convey quickly what seems to be a very troubling situation. And I'm definitely not exactly the best person to answer since I don't know all of which code and/or libraries are being used: think it started around libhybris.
Ah, I see, thank-you Sir... :)

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Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1361859)
No, it started much earlier, during the first mer days. OG Mer was to be (toting the familliar hildon-desktop) the ubuntu mobile distribution back in the days of karmic. I'll leave the details of what happened as an exercise to the reader as I don't know the exact facts and I don't want to misinform.
Interesting, please do go on... :)
I kid, I didn't extend the same courtesy to you when you wanted much more detail from me about Mir.

*time-limits* :(

ggabriel 2013-08-02 14:06
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Since it's too quiet, apparently there's a new Sailfish SDK, haven't tried it yet though.

Dave999 2013-08-04 18:15
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Sailfish is a myth. It don't exist. You are so fooled. It's like Nokias step 5 of 5, future interruptions, Sailfish_Alliance, where is it? And now Sailfish...

Artyom 2013-08-04 18:18
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I told you it was failfish!

jalyst 2013-08-05 05:05
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1364907)
Sailfish is a myth. It don't exist. You are so fooled.
And since it's been seen/tried by countless members of the public so far, how do you come to that conclusion?

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It's like Nokias step 5 of 5, future interruptions..., where is it? And now Sailfish...
Step 5 of 5 had nothing to do with future disruptions, "future disruptions" was a term coined under Elop's tenure, "Step 5 of 5" was before his time.
Future disruptions was loosely defined by Elop/colleagues, so that it could ultimately be associated with anything, not just locked into something Linux/FOSS-based.

Dave999 2013-08-05 05:37
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1364973)
And since it's been seen/tried by countless members of the public so far, how do you come to that conclusion?
People have seen something. Unknown what. Why do we know so little if they have tried it. Why don't they speak out about it? Who has tried it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1364973)
Step 5 of 5 had nothing to do with future disruptions, "future disruptions" was a term coined under Elop's tenure, "Step 5 of 5" was before his time.
Future disruptions was loosely defined by Elop/colleagues, so that it could ultimately be associated with anything, not just locked into something Linux/FOSS-based.
I know, but it was two epic statement which was worth nothing in the end. And what about Sailfish_Alliance, do you have great explanation for that too?

jalyst 2013-08-05 05:54
Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1364982)
People have seen something. Unknown what. Why do we know so little if they have tried it. Why don't they speak out about it? Who has tried it?
You're kidding right, have you not read the dozens of articles that outline the entire UX & core/native apps?
Heaps has been covered already, quite a bit for a device that's still in it's pre-production phase.
That's not something you get from most of the bigger guys before the 1st ww release of their OS/platform.

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I know, but it was two epic statement which was worth nothing in the end.
And they were statements made by Nokia's middle to senior management, none of whom work for, or were involved in, setting-up Sailfish(Jolla).
With the power of hindsight, we've since learned that almost all Nokia's ills can be attributable to that part of the organisational structure.

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And what about Sailfish_Alliance, do you have great explanation for that too?
That's still a big Qn mark, agreed, but how it remaining unexplained leads you to conclude that Sailfish is a "myth" & "non-existent" is a mystery.


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