Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

1 GB RAM is a big mistake from Jolla, I'm afraid.

Multitaskin both Qt- and Android-apps with 1 GB will be painful.
Working Android-app-support is an important thing for Jolla to make through. Now with 1 GB it won't be a pleasant experience.

I hope it is not too late for them to fix their mistake in specs.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The grapic will look like 2007

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

To be fair, we don't yet know enough about how the ACL's implemented alongside native apps/UX/OS to make that call.
I do also share the same concerns though, 1GB is very risky & could end-up being a total cock-up...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Did I mention I will have 3 GB in my daily phone from end of next week ;)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

And how exactly do you know it'll give your Android ph countless real world advantages compared to 1G on Sailfish?
Please cite several real world examples... (somewhat of a pointless exercise since we dont yet have devices to compare, but humour us)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Dude, I never said it will. Nor did I say it worse or better than anything else. I didn't compare it with anything or anyone. It was a tease and It's pretty cool to have 3GB in you pocket. It more than some old laptops that still working great? the calculation powers is amazing in the top notch android phones, the user experience is another thing. Still pretty powerful, jalyst. You can't ignore that fact, or can you?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I haven't found my N9 to be lacking in performance, esp compared to newer Android phones - cores and RAM don't mean much when the OS is so bloated and apps can't use the cores or RAM. While the 1GB RAM is a bit of a let-down, for me the 16GB storage is a killer - I have 20GB of music on my 64GB N9, then all of the other crap......

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

@Dave

You didn't get my point, either that, or it seems you've got nothing...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

@fongo

Yeah 16gb is kinda lame, especially if the mSD slot is not the latest/greatest mSD format.
I don't think we know the specifics on that yet, but I won't hold my breathe, then again for the price we can't complain too much.
Only thing I didn't want them to compromise too much is display res, lets hope other aspects of the display aren't as mediocre >.>

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I care more about a decent camera with good ISO in lowlight than spechypes like 720p HD blablabla.. the bigger screenres the more battery drain...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I cant see Android with 2GB of ram with better multitask than Symbian with 512MB.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

@jalyst, yep great point and that does lessen the impact of 16GB storage. I hope they announce some date for US sales, I want to buy one to support them regardless of specs.............

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Prepare to be disappointed there too...
At this rate all we'll have to buoy things slightly is "TOH".
But even that's not quite as ambitious as some hoped.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

It's quite interesting/funny to see what is important to different people about a phone. It suddenly struck me that Jolla may have a good chance of being successful if they make a pretty phone.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Define pretty phone please?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I have no problem with it's aesthetics, looks "pretty enough" to me.
Build quality is much harder to be so sure about, at this stage...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'll expand. I don't know what pretty is really, I'm not a Steve Jobs kind of person who has the ability to know naturally what most people will find pretty, and pretty enough to buy.

My statement touched on the market Jolla is aiming for to be successful, and I don't think HW specs have anything to do with that. Most people will get anything that looks pretty to them [and that roughly does the job]. This is my opinion anyway.

Personally, I find the pictures of the phone good to look at. Then again, I care more about usability, how easy it is to hold, to use with 1 hand and all that.

Not particularly disappointed with the HW specs, but again, I want to see how it runs first, how the screen performs regardless of the resolution and so on. I am prepared to be disappointed by the camera - there is no way that Jolla will get something that Nokia has. But again... think about it. Doesn't the iPhone 5's camera add a purple tone to every photo due to a defect in their hardware and they said basically f**k you? And people still buy it BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY? Seriously.

If I had to have this conversation with any of my non technical friends, they'd be bored already. I could sell them any phone that they don't have with 1 phrase that sounds convincing only because I am more technical than them and they respect my opinion. I've seen it happening, it is how the world works. People don't care, they want the latest and greatest when they can buy something.

Have I ranted too much? Sorry :) I hope you get the point though... we rant enough at TMO, we'll still get the phone. People who find it pretty will also get it. That will mean success to Jolla, they'll keep making phones, hopefully better, deifnitely prettier.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well I was expecting better specs... I know the software layer will have undoubtely a key role here but still if you want to compete on hardware nowdays they will have to up their game.

At this stage maybe i could pay off to be able to run SailFish on a Nexus device ala Ubuntu or even better dual-booting so people can experience a gesture based OS and getting some buzz for the future.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

if camera quality is good and it supports 4G LTE then am happy! No worries about software...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Why don't you get a Lumia then? They have the best camera that you will find. If you really don't care about the software (presumably you mean the OS+applications), then it's the best choice if those 2 things are important to you.

I'm hating having to give this advice though :-)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

People try to knock Apple for being all marketing & zero substance, nothing could be further from the truth.
Their iP5 & iP5s cameras actually compare quite well to the best camerphones on the market, except for the 808/1020, nothing comes close to them once you start manually tweaking.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'll have a Lumia 1020 soon, great for happy snaps, but pretty boring before too long when it comes to the OS/3rd-pary apps.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

So you say that this http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple...havior_id35082 is BS?

I have an iPhone 4 and the camera can't compare to that of the N9, not even the 5800. Too much post processing, really bad at low lights, flash is rubbish, sometimes it's even hard to take pictures of a whiteboard.

So, based on that experience, I'm more inclined to believe GSM Arena to what Apple claims with their "better sensor" and all that.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'd recommend following MNB much more regularly....
I've seen plenty of examples that demonstrate it's "bad", but waaaay more that demonstrate it's actually quite good overall.
And that's via a rabid Nokia community blog (actually quite neutral in some ways, & many great streams of input*).
iP5/5S are definitely one of the better smartphone cameras, just not in the same league as 808/1020...

*most importantly for this area of discussion, some profoundly knowledgeable folks when it comes to imaging

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I commented about Jolla phone....i have no worries about perfection of sailfish OS......only worried about mentioned specs.....if i buy jolla i wanted to use it for quite a long tiime.....here already LTE avalable...so wanna upgrade to a phone with LTE support...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Ta, will have a closer look there. Not that I'll buy an iPhone 5 any time soon, but at least for the knowledge.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I hear you. I do want LTE as well, but I fear as that changes per country, so maybe your/my country won't get the support. As much as I understand how a network works and I know that in most places the internet bandwidth of most operators can't even match the potential speed of 3.5G, I still want LTE support since I normally keep the phone for 2 years, maybe 3, so naturally I want it to be future proof, hoping that the operators will improve their bandwidth.

If LTE doesn't work in my country, I'd just wait for another device.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well, that's true until you point them at any points of light and then suddenly PURPLE-LENSFLARE! Suddenly ALL your photos look "awesomo obscuro" ala JJ Abrams.. whether you like it or not. All thanks to that sapphire lens glass.

That aside, though, it IS actually a pretty excellent camera. :) You just need to remember the lighting problem.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

There's not much in the Android world that's decisively better overall, Z1 perhaps, that's about it really.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I've got 2 real problems:
1. The Your Jolla page doesn't render properly in the N9's stock browser. Seriously?! :-)
2. I don't know whether to buy a replacement for the USB door for my N9 since I broke it when swapping batteries last year. It has to be replaced only if the N9 makes it to the snowboard season (it stops the humidity coming in, you see...), and I'm not sure whether I'll have a Jolla by then (demand/compatibility with where I live/good reviews/will I like it?)

Honestly, I think I need to go to a psychologist or something.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Question is if Jolla has a chance to compete in this area.

My guess is no, They probadly using some HW made for android with libhybris + camera androiddrivers. Means they will not have full access too even tweak the raw images is worst case :/

This is not too be rude at Jolla. But Jolla has around < 100 developers and we should ask ourself how many engineers is working on camera at samsung, iphone and Nokia? My guess is way more than Jolla has engineers woking with sailfishos.

Lets just hope they are allowed to buy some decent "camerapacket" from Nokia. (lets say Nokia N9 camera HW + drivers, alteast better than going some china android solution...)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'm ready to be disappointed here. I don't use the N9's camera too often, but when I do, it takes such nice pictures. I'll miss that. I guess I'll have to carry the SLR more often.

Would be nice if Nokia was so kind, now that Jolla is the only Finnish phone making company to let them use patents say for...everything. No, but seriously, Nokia could lend them a hand and let use couple of camera patents or at least everything Jolla guys developed at Nokia.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

+1 #3071 #3072 #3073

Yet more reason why they need to be top-notch hw-wise in at least 1x area beyond T.O.H...
We don't know all the specs yet, lets hope, if not, T.O.H better be a **** load more than a concept story.
And the entire stack better be as open as they've hinted (apart from the stuff they've suggested probably won't).

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

So what exact spec is it of the snapdragon.

is it 200 or 400?

any hint here of GFX maybe:

https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

But didn't Microsoft buy all those hardware patents along with the Nokia hardware division?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I feel sorry for Jolla. They should have left phone making business after Maemo and harmattan fiasco. They don't know how to compete.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

MS bought no patents in the deal, none, nope, nada, null.

What they did buy was the non-exclusive license on select set of the patent portfolio, not by all means license to all the patents.
And non-exclusive here means that Nokia is free to license them to anybody else, for a fee or gratis, whatever.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I feel sorry for Microsoft. They should have left tech business after Windows ME and Vista fiasco. They don't know how to compete.
/troll

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Nokia and your Jolla:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BU7GLQZCAAAVb4H.jpg

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