I wonder if they caught any sailfishes on the way :p

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I will be very disappointed if Jolla cozies up with Nokia again, very...
(unless there's clear changes to their org. structure & intra-co. relationships, as I said in a earlier post)
There's other options, just because Nokia's the most obvious (esp. to many nationalistic Finns), that doesn't mean it's the best one.

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That would be a داو


in Dubai, where next Nokia World is as announced today. Stop being paranoid people.

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+1
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Nokia+Jolla, let by me == Dream Team.

Who is paranoid now?

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Nokia investing in Jolla would mean an indirect investment via Microsoft.

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Well, that'd piss off MS, I expect. Throwing their good money in a Linux venture...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

To be fair, they DO seem to be leaving the software business.. or at least starting to LOOK like they are.

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I am not a gamer but seems even game industry switch to linux just look at steamos and steambox yet another competitor for poor microsoft :-p

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Do we know what SteamOS is based on yet, looked but can't see it doco'd anywhere, I dearly hope it's not Ubuntu Core.

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It's not been stated yet. I'd halfway bet on Ubuntu due to Steam for Linux requiring 12.04 as stated here...

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I read somewhere that it will not use the Mir and must begin with Xorg.
Some code that was leaked said that.
Canonical will die alone on the beach.

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I think you are wrong nvidia and others will probadly support ubuntus MiR over Wayland reason: its biggest dist :(

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People should go get an diaspora account.

Carol Chen(Cybette) sometimes post good info there for developers and Jolla community (under the tag #jolla ofcourse) :)

This is one:

http://www.dolphinaric.org/

follow:

https://diasp.eu/u/cybette

https://diasp.eu/tags/sailfish

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Thanks....

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When you meet Mr iPhone. What reason do he has to switch to jolla. I'm trying to be in his shoes, but can't see any ATM. Maybe a bigger screen but that isn't a valid reason to switch. Only 0.8" more.

I'm hoping jolla has the answer on this question.

Btw windows has almost 10% market(mobile) in Germany.

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And still, I have never seen anyone using a Windows Phone in Germany. Do its users hide from the public because they are ashamed of using WP?
You see Android and iPhones here a lot, but WP? Nope, not a single one.
I wonder where those 10% market share come from?

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I have no clue but they are there somewhere...

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Because there's a swipe for that, this phone changes everything, you already know how to use it, and we call it "The Jolla". But more than anything: because it makes the bearer unique. Oh, and you can always have another half with an apple if you miss that logo so much!

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So swipe is the reason to change?
Change backside?

OK, got it!

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Intel has already said it will not support the Mir and will support Wayland.
Canonical does not represent anything close to the RedHat and RedHat also supports wayland.
Ubuntu is the worst distro I've used.

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http://mynokiablog.com/2013/09/30/no...d-bb-12-in-uk/

It actually has been far more successful than Redhat in non-enterprise areas, & even catching up in enterprise, in some respects.
But, I hope nVidia/AMD also speak up about their support soon, & say that they're backing Wayland only, like Intel.
But IIRC, most detailed/well-reasoned speculation has been that they'll probably support both...

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https://plus.google.com/photos/11001...03755049794145

Using Steve Jobs to pitch? Touche, Marc, touche...

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OMIGOD so much grammatical mayhem! It makes it hard to take the report seriously.
s/passed/past/g

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I wasn't there, but I know that Steve Wozniak spoke at that same event. I just assumed that those photos with early Apple stuff in them were somekind of Woz homage.

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Just to clarify: I only saw the pictures, it isn't surprising that Marc is quoting Apple here and there, everybody does these days.

EDIT: they have a recording (not yet released), stay tuned.

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Multitasking, scripting, sideloading, no direct link to NSA, USB MS, bluetooth file transfer(?), microSDHC, large user replaceable battery, cost, style, ...

But Mr iPhone is not a rational being so it doesn't matter how many ways the Jolla is superior Mr iPhone will refuse point blank to see it.

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lets see if apple start patent troll jolla.....

http://60unread.com/?p=142#more-142

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That's a great blog, thanks for the link. It's interesting that the pulley menu was invented before mid-2011, and we must assume Jolla will licence it from Nokia.

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No, I have a better idea. THEY CAN'T HAVE IT. Let's use Cartman's marketing strategy.

Mr/Ms iPhone (to someone sporting a Jolla): Oh. that's a nice phone, what is it?
Jolla user: It's a Jolla, but never mind, you can't have one.
iPhone: What do you mean I can't have one?!
Jolla: Nope, you can't have one. It isn't for you.
i: But... but... I have money.
J: Good for you, you still can't have one.

They'll want one. No matter what brings to the table, they just can't have one and they'll want one just because of that.

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Once they do, you know they're doing something right and showing up on Apple's radar. I hope to God Jolla does well. I'm very, very skeptical but I'm hopeful that they don't end up repeating all the same stupid Maemo mistakes and listen to what customers want and build it around customers and hopefully open-sourcing and inviting far more development this time.

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Apple flying blind. They are doing a Nokia in the coming years.

Lack of innovation and some mistakes...

[written With an iPad]

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I think they are more open already:

http://github.com/nemomobile

but yes. They should upload sailfish silica UI to github too...

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Well what you think is worst is not what endusers think iss worst...

I also don't is a fan of ubuntu BUT normal users knows best about Ubuntu and it is the easiest dist for endusers.

I personally has tried both opensuse and fedora but always comes back to kubuntu because of the driver issues and similar.

However I would choose Redhat or debian as server etc... But thats a different story.

Btw. There is a bussiness reason for Intel to prefer Wayland. It simply because most maintainers are payed by Intel probadly most stable drivers is Intel GFX.

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They've said for ages now that large chunks of that layer will be closed so they can license their flavour of Sailfish.
But, hopefully many of the most central/heavily_used apps will be kept in the open flavour of Nemo/Sailfish...

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Then they have to update the license of silica because in the SDK its still BSD license.(Yes I know its not only silica that makes the UI but...

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If they don't find anyone to license it to they might find themselves in a position where they have no choice but release it fully open :D

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I'd say open the source wherever, it doesn't have to be github so long as anybody with the correct merit/permissions/etc. can commit, check out and the like. This comment is just to avoid promoting certain websites, no matter how good they may seem to be. FWIW, Jolla could host their own repository.

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Getting and oneself flashing Sailfish OS i.e. to Galaxy Note3 would be great, but I wonder from where Jolla then makes the money?

Maybe just FOSS all the way the lower parts of OS, but Window manager (launcher), ACL and few essential apps then could (should) be bought from Jolla. At least in the start there wouldn't be FOSS alternatives for those and if Jolla has made them well, why not pay for them.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/jolla-annou...roid-apps-too/
What it comes to multitasking, I find it hard to accept Jolla could claim to have the best multitasking experience, compared to Note3 for example. And because Android devices can run Qt-apps as well, there is several complicated choices to be made for the heavy user of mobile devices. (The best choice to be PRISM/NSA-free would be Replicant.)

The things I am missing in SGS3, SGS4, Note3, other_top_android_phones_and_tablets; is mainline Linux, POSIX/GNU software libraries and X/Wayland. Jolla's first device fails elsewhere but would have those in Sailfish.
So I could pay for an option to have Sailfish, Silica UI, ACL and the basic GUI system apps to be myself flashed to a Note3. But then again, with 3 GB RAM in Note3, I could just have Fedora LXDE installed with chroot.

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At no point have they suggested they'd license to end-users for Android devices, the media simply latched onto that because of it's misunderstanding of libhybris.
They've always made it clear that's definitely NOT what they're doing, but, things may change, who knows...