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Does anybody know whatever happened to that radio interview? I may have missed the report or just skipped it among troll comments...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Mikkosssss reported it here:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=1208

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

When can we expect Jolla to ship? Certainly they can't wait for Santa?

If tizen beat Jolla to the market they will lose some low hanging fruits.

I want my queue number asap.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Tizen's been on-track to beat Jolla for ages, if they don't it's a pretty massive fail on their part.
But they don't care, they can execute poorly time-after-time if they want, Jolla has less wiggle room.

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Tizen might be on track. You don't know their release plan or purppus of the os. But l think some sort of release is imminent(like jolla) One indication is the tizen store.

But yeah they can cancel the whole thing.buy Jolla and cancel their phone too and still be successful. :D

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Sounds familiar.... Nokia comes to mind.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Tizen runs on SGS3 and SGS4 already, but they haven't released anything. Don't know if they have got ACL working like Jolla (?).

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yeah they're supposedly working with OpenMobile (once a well estb. troll company, but perhaps more legit now) & their "ACL" product.
But I don't know if Samsung/Others are really treating it that seriously, I suspect they're focusing far more on native apps/ecosystem.
That's harder for Jolla to do, so they've treated a dalvik emulation layer/scheme a bit more seriously...

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You mean beat timewise, right? All I've seen from Tizen is that it's a very poor copy of iOS... if anything, the user experience is pretty simple in the lacking way. Or are you aware of any demonstration that is a little bit more compelling than what I've seen?

Not sure what's under the hood OS wise, but then again not sure what the prototypes's specs were, and I really don't trust Samsung telling the truth since they even cheat at benchmarks.

I reckon Apple will get very annoyed at the way the device is unlocked :-)

Aye :-) Not too many times though, but I have to admit that Samsung is good to go elsewhere when it doesn't work for them, in the same way they went for Android when they did.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I thought Tizen had a circle like Android rather than Neonode's slide to unlock.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well, but BSD license basically says you can take it and do whatever you want, right?
With BSD license you can open up everything, but you could also keep it fully closed.

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Yes, I see no problem with that license type.

In Jollas case it would be plain stupid to closed source it because its already open. If Jolla decided to close it people would fork current code.

So there is no point for them to do that. But if thirdparty company decide to fork and closed source the changes its up to them because the license works that way. Its same issue with Qt except Qt is using dual license.

But I still wonder what bussines plan Jolla really has? I doubt they'r idea to sell SailfishOS licenses will work for others. Especially if all apps would be open sourced.. Simply because the tech industry still is scared using opensource. Some actually got scared away from Qt also it seems :(

Thats probadly why Jolla using BSD instead of LGPL2.1. Atleast they may get little better chance to get more companys intrested. But I do think silica will be dual licensed later on. Just let them release device first.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Time-wise.
They're playing it very safe/boring, there's some WP influences, Android, & iOS, little that looks truly original/novel.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Being original and novel for the sake of being original and novel isn't any good. It also has to be productive and intuitive.

Sometimes being "original/novel" can equate with being non-intuitive and non-productive. Take Windows 8 itself, for example. It's so "original" and "novel" that it's not very intuitive (particularly when it's hard to find settings, applications or menus and you can't tell what's clickable and what's just a label) and not productive (particularly where overlapping windows are actually very, very productive for work and multitasking.. worse still is when you switch tasks without intending it with the trackpad and have a hell of a time getting back).

If Jolla is picking out the best features for everyone else, that sounds like a hybrid people might LIKE. I have no problem with that.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I wasn't suggesting that....
And I also wasn't suggesting they've got all the great/original ideas.
They're drawing inspiration from lots of quarters too...
But inspiration mostly, outright carbon copying, less so than others.

FWIW, I actually like the Win_8/RT & WP UX's in many respects.
But I get that many people don't, & the reasons they don't...
I disagree that they're bad UX's, but there's no doubt they're polarising.
Ofc, all that is completely off-topic here....

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I was planning to post something great, original and novel. But you might not understand. Don't ignore OS for the sake of it. The winter is coming...

the winter is coming...that's why we have Jolla beanies!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well, I don't get one. ****ing jolla :(

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It is hard to accept someone saying Android "multitasking" is better than anything... worse, in a Maemo forum, where we are used to live multitasking on Maemo 5 and MeeGo Harmattan.

Using VNC server & client to access the GUI of Fedora LXDE ? Fantastic experience...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Then it might be necessary for you to get over your brand loyalty and understand it better.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

That would be nice, provided there is some documentation somewhere that isn't marketing BS, it isn't produced by Google (hence impartial) and preferably it isn't hosted by Google (hence they can't change it). MeR/Meego/etc. multitasking is based on Linux's one, which you can read/understood in countless OS books.
I heard so many things about Android "multitasking" and I had a play when ICS came to life in an electronics shop and Android couldn't even remember which website I was loading up before I switched application. Then I read in these forums very different explanations, opinions and experiences, so I'm confused.
Multitasking is probably as problematic a term as "open source", but it can be technically explained (as opposed to open source), so if you have some cool source and you can share, please do :-)

Needless to say, if I have to go and read the source code for this, I may as well avoid Android altogether as a consumer [who is interested in multitasking such as leaving a terminal open with some sort of loop and expecting it to execute while I make a phone call or something].

It is worth mentioning that iOS's Safari didn't use to remember which page I was loading before switching application, which now it seems to do [in version 6.latest]- I haven't actually tested whether it actually loads in the background as all the pages that I was trying to reach weren't rendering properly, so I quickly pocketed the phone and reached for my N9 :@

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I haven't look in detail of Android multitasking and the api. Sure it's working the way we all have seen. But aa the app dev... isn't it quite easy to bypass the standard way and let the user be in control of the process of an application ?


I hope Jolla's spec is a hidden one. When they are coming out with an average topnotch spec the whole media world would go cracy. It would be a PR stunt of epic proportions and give them a boost.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

This came out ages ago but I missed it, figured it'd be of interest to others in this OT thread:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTQ2MDY
Plus some background to Google's rationale (at least in large part) as-to-why they made a switch:
http://www.kaizou.org/2013/04/why-go...ropped-webkit/

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Jolla is an android device in disguise :D

Wouldn't surprise me if Sergey brin funding this ;)

Just wait until they drop navigation. Maps, google maps.

Can wait for my goolla phone...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

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Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

It was a joke...JOOo oke.

Let me tell you. Jolla is not google device in disguise and the phone is not called goolla...sorry.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

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Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Syntax error?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I hope jolla can do some kind of camping where users who buying the first device can vote for features and or design for any possible follow up device. That would give me and many more an even bigger reason to support jolla and an edge against competition

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Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I have 4 Android devices from 4 manufacturers. I develop for 7 different mobile OS.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Web or native...native must be a pain in the ***...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

So jolla has a deal With network operators in Finland and Denmark so far? Haven't seen the china campaign yet. Anywhere else in Europe? Germany, Norway and Sweden was top nations when it came to Ubuntu edge so sailfish could work well as well.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Didn't they say something like they were going to have it ready for the Chinese New Year (31 Jan) for that market?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yep, they said ages ago that China would be around then, ofc things could've changed...
They may decide to make it approx. the same time as Finland/EU, or make it later than Jan 31st.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

and thats understandable. I am suprised they still say they will deliver Q4 this year.... They must work like crazy get that happen because of change SoC and so on...

I mean look at the history libhybris, Qt5 and wayland was not the plan start of this year... so all respect to the engineers...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You know what happens when you dont let things mature......you get a beta device, N9

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Or Lumia 800/900 which couldn't upgrade to WP8 - which was totally ironic that Nokia proclaimed the "beta test was over" only to have to come out with the 920 under a year later.

Face it, you name the platform, you'll find people that are penalized for being early adopters.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Penalized == another form of penalty?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Remind me if English is your not your native language please. Yes, it's a penalty of sorts. Here's a somewhat outdated list where early adopters got burned.