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That's the wrong question, i'm just a customer. Lack of apps (lack of developer interest) doesn't benefit me at all, it makes my investment in a (non-android) device pointless.

I doubt donations are the solution to cheer up apps development. Less people are willing to donate because it is inconvinient, also, it seems too embarassing to donate 'pennies'.

If there be 100 000 devices sold, the app deficit should make a third of the owners of the phone also as potential buyers in the apps store, this should steer up development, i'd like to think.

I'd play with an idea of having an appstore where there is normal to pay for upgrades for an apps too, with longer refund periods of about a month or so. This should motivate developers, while enables to keep prices low. I've always wondered how come i'm hiring an app developer to work for me for a dollar to provide my device with lifetime of support, upgrades and new features - not viable with smaller userbase as jolla has, in my view.

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The empirical scientific proof that fixing defects first would be the way forward is here for me:

Since I have returned from a 2 week trip during which I have boldly volunteered to trial the Jolla as main phone after having upgraded to upgrade 10 I have dumped it in a drawer and taken the N900 as main phone with a feeling of relief.
I did not have such feeling when using the Symbian 808 for prolonged periods.

Jolla plus:

-battery life still very good for my usage pattern

-using it as a mini tablet for reading eBooks via FBReader gave me great pleasure. Also the minimum brightness is not too harsh on the eye.

-survived already 3 - 4 drops on hard tile from about 50cm height. Frame so far has absorbed shocks and glass not yet broken.
Now most of the corners of my Jolla are sexy round instead of straight ;) and if I aim over the Jolla its now somewhat curved as well, but not in the width like an LG, only in the length like iPhone 6 max! Anyway, its holding out so far.

-excellent virtual keyboard for basic typing such as replying SMS. I experience performance and feel empowered by the Jolla.
Space bar is a little short resulting in a lot of "." in between words instead of spaces.



Negative:

-New "feature" applications closing themselves (what were they thinking - what would have been broken on the long term if this "fix" had not been applied - who tested and approved this feature - incompetency peeking)

-Several bugs (unable to connect to Wifi of choice certainly one of the most annoying N900: online as it happens, Jolla: online if it happens)

-inserting a new SIM card -> something looking like native Sailfish app gets installed w/o further notification or my permission? I don't want that to happen the way it did.
See screenshot: "maxSim". It contains crap links by network provider Vinaphone. Need to check later if this is Android or Sailfish native.

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-Struggling with interface. auto rotation of camera interface, feeling uncertain when filling in forms on websites, saving passwords or not - which direction to swipe..
Maybe I did not use the device frequently enough until now but I feel no blind automatism coming up. Instead I find myself uselessly swiping in circles and have to think more before acting remember stuff like was it left or right to prevent work being lost.

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I have always held to the opinion that ons should separate dayjob and hobbies... hence I definitely do not want to receive anything from the mobile stuff&tweaks I am doing. If I did so, it would start feeling like a job, I would need to start conform to deadlines and feel obligated to do things.

As my dayjob already pays for my living modestly, luckily I can hold on this belief.

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You need to complain to your carrier on that!! :D:D:D
It is a SIM-toolkit application installed by your operator!

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Quite right. In fact, the lack of the SIM toolkit support was a common complaint against the N900. You can't please everyone ;)

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That's why I inserted "to be able to". It should be optional. I do not expect payments either.

EDIT
Having had a bit more time to think about it, veeall's point was maybe that the possibility of paid apps might attract more professional developers, which in turn would attract more customers. While I am not sure this is the case - I think cause and effect are reversed in this scenario - I do agree that without professional developers who write Sailfish apps for money, the OS will forever remain "for hobbyists only". Your comment suggests that you are happy with it, but is Jolla? How long can they survive by selling to a bunch of hobbyists?

This is where the paid activation codes come in. I already mentioned Sygic who followed the same path on Maemo. Ergo, I do not believe that paid apps are a necessary prerequisite. So what is? Jolla cannot compete with Android on the number of potential customers, but neither could Maemo and yet it managed to attract at least some big guys. So what is it and how can Jolla get there?

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Maybe someone more wants to share with me battery life of Jolla phone ?

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It depends. I use it all the time and I charge daily. Out of the holiday period, when I go to work and do not play with it so much, I charge every other day. My wife, who got one for Christmas, put it away and picked it up 7 days later, still had 27% battery left.

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Its OK for cheap rock like this. Not too good, nor too bad. charge once a day and a bit more during sleep with pretty average usage.

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[QUOTE=pichlo;1455139]Quite right. In fact, the lack of the SIM toolkit support was a common complaint against the N900. You can't please everyone ;)[/QUOTE

I am not against the support for these kind of programs but rather against not prompting the user to choose to allow or ignore this kind of uninvited installation.

No need for Jolla to install SIM toolkits (or other app, what's in a name..) each time I buy a local 3G SIM to be able to surf with the Jolla while abroad.

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I think there is some confusion going on here. SIM toolkit is not something that gets installed on your phone on demand. It is already there. If you insert a SIM card with toolkit options, these are presented to you.

More on the topic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_Application_Toolkit

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Yes, sometimes i fail to explain a simple idea in my basic english. I think it's vice versa, jolla already sells devices, that means there are already market demand for apps, which should attract devs to to extend/enhance devices functionality by apps if there's paid apps support in official marketplace, which could make platform still more attractive for new phone buyers, which should increase the software market and making platform even more attractive for devs.

I feel like being Mr. Obvious.

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3-4 days of light/medium use (GPS off, 3G on, WiFi some hours each day, some emails and phone calls) without Android running softwares, or about 1 day with Android softwares.

Kill Android support as soon as you stop using Android softwares, via installing "Sailfish Utilities" (Settings->Utilities->Stop Android runtime) or "Dalvik stop".

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Then aliendalvik starts again 'on demand' the next time an Android app is launched, right? (and probably the price to pay is a little slower app startup)

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Right.

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Yes. Another advantage to kill Android runtime is to save approx. 150MB of RAM.

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After last update if I try start something from terminal as root, it say this message:

"[root@Jolla nemo]# - harbour-file-browser
error: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment.
[C] unknown:0 - Failed to create display (No such file or directory)"

Anyway to "fix"?

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So after playing a few day with the Jolla ...

general:
UI:
different, stylish, promising
hardware:
fast enough, should not be any bigger, like the two halfs, camera is as worse as on all Blackberrys

OS:
for the 1.x - good enough, not complete consistent, needs more ability for custumaziation (lockscreen, events, ...) - many good ideas and (thanks god) not another clone of iOS or android - there should definitely be an option to open notifications from the lockscreen (like in meego) an the ability to show rss- and calendar-feeds (and wheather and ...) on lock- and/or events screen (also like in meego)

Stock-Apps:
sorry folks, that's not enough - the email client needs a thread-view and better handling of attachments (I want to decide where to save them ...) - the calendar is too basic (and desperately needs an open api - other apps must be able to save appointments - fahrplan for example) - and the browser needs a complete overhaul in usability (to many clicks to open a new tab, ...) - on the other side the rendering is really good and fast

AppStore:
Well, for such a small user base the majors won't develop apps, but if Jolla would allow paid apps, the would be for sure more dev willing to code some alternatives (it worked for meego and even for BB)

Android:
wow, I'm using different OS with Android runtimes for a while now (apkenv on N9 and N900, BB10) and must say, that's the best one ever! The Question is, if that is blessing or curse - even the Jolla people tell their costumers to relay on android apps to compensate the lack of sailfish software (or even the shortcomings of the stock apps) - so let's see if there will be left more of this great idea than another android launcher ...

conclusion: yes, I like it. It's a great and customizable time-waster ;-) I had much fun playing with it, but I'm not sure if it could be one of my daily drivers - for my business device (now BB Z10) I need a good email-handling, and a top calendar - for my private device the opportunities are the camera, the browser and news-feeds (which are better on my Lumia 620 - except of the news feeds- and the N9 - except of the browser )

So I think, I'll keep it for some time and the future will show ;-)

If anyone is interested in buying a N9 (16 GB cyan perfect shape) a Lumia 620 (two backcovers, good shape), a BB Z10 (good shape - a small scratch on the housing) or a Jolla (like new with a white and a aloe TOH but without charger and cable - lost both two days ago with my satchel :-( ) all located in GER - drop me a private message - if the price is ok it could simplify my decision ;-) ...

good night

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Is it just me, or is WiFi draining the battery incredibly quickly, especially compared to 3G?

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My Jolla battery drains 20-30% each day (depending how many times I read emails, SMS, etc), with WiFi on everytime, 3G SIM card (but not using 3G Internet), Bluetooth off, GPS off, Android runtime off.

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@ From Vertu with Love, if you are using the wifi tethering, you may have experienced the bug where the battery drain is high even when you turn off the wifi hotspot.

Only a reboot helps in this case.

It's not clear if the bug has been corrected yet, See TJC.

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Lucky you. Mine drains DOWN TO 29-39% each day. I took it off the charger about 90 minutes ago at 100% and it is down to 95% now.

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Hey guys, ever tried a BB Z10? from 100% to empty in max 10hrs (normal use) ... so 39% per day is still good (even compared to iPhone, Android, ...)

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I remember when I had a Z10. Full charge when I went to bed, completely uncharged when I woke up. I had one app open. That's when I knew I couldn't stick with it much longer, got a Lumia 1020 soon after.

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if im on wifi, my battery lasts ages!
for me its similar to you guys.. itll only drain about 20-30% if on wifi all day

but if im on 4G.. battery is gone in about 8-10hrs
3G it lasts a bit longer

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Quick reply...

There are many factors.
1. Battery capacity (don't drop battery onto hard surfaces! Li-ion batteries can suffer from that);
2. Connectivity (if you leave WiFi or Cellular or Bluetooth or GPS or FM or something transmitting... and if, for some reason, it has to transmit loudly - for example, cellular tower is not particularly visible indoors, or it is trying to find all the WiFi connections available around it);
3. Apps (or daemons) open, refreshing something every minute, and so on (especially widgets);
4. Memory leaks in long-open apps-or-daemons;
5. Screen-display brightness, as well as keyboard back-light.

Thank you. Best wishes.

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oh whuuuut? leaving my app open being idle will use up a lot of battery?

but what if its just my message app or the calender?

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It's spelt calendar ;)

And it depends on the app. Well written apps idle well, with no battery drain. Runaway apps can indeed drain your battery in virtually no time at all.

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I'd love to get back to 20-30%. Since the last update my Jolla keeps disabling 3g data and with that disabled I seem to get a phenomenal 8-10%. I'd rather it kept 3g enabled as having to check all the time and toggling flight mode to get it back is becoming tiresome.

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You are not alone; I generally get about the same drain rate as you

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Some Android apps drains battery after you close them.

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"System Monitor" shows that after 3 days the battery still have 29% of its charge. With Email, Messages, Clock and System Monitor open all the time (shown in covers). My Jolla is being used since 10/2014.

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What the heck are you running to get that?

Mine came off charge at about 8am, it's now 18:44 and I've 90% left. It's running contacts, settings, messages, email, tweetian, media player and phone. Uptime is 17 days, 22 hours.

...and 3g data has disabled itself...again. :mad:

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Hi

I tried to search hear and TJC, but could not find answer to what specific google contact fields are synchronized. Does anyone know?

I have information in google on several info fields and most certainly not that many are. Notes for example is not synced, but email and addresses are. Have anyone found workarounds?

Also, there doesn't seem to be any support for groups still even after the latest update. Btw. does anyone know how to exclude specific groups from gmail to be synced?

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Mine was running no foreground apps at all. Android not installed. No calls or SMS. WiFi, 3G and GPS are on. SysMon running in the background. Came off the charger about 1800. At 1930, the charge was down to 95%. That dropped to 94% while I was typing this post.

This is the situation pretty much every day. I usually spend about two hours browsing in the evening and that gets me to about 50%. Sometimes less, very rarely more.

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Maybe you should try to turn GPS off. In most phones GPS drain battery a lot.

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The GPS hardware in a Jolla is only switched on when needed by the app. You see an extra status icon on the home screen when it is on. IME it makes almost no difference to the battery life in Sailfish.

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This is experience of Jolla user who published his opinion on Jolla's fb profile:
I think It's a good point of view.

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This is what my battery usage looks like:

https://a.pomf.se/ziobtc.png

Always running: Notes, Messages, Browser, Clock, SysMon daemon and Call Record daemon. Always on: Wi-Fi.

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Hmm. Here is mine for the same period.

Attachment 36394

Are you not using it at all?

There is a noticeable steep slope when I use it (generally only for browsing), but even the steady periods when idle are still steeper than yours.