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fms 2009-09-05 19:17
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
I am surprised that not a single person so far has gone beyond the standard subsidized-handset-for-consumers approach here. With its capabilities and the price tag, N900 is a business device, very much like HTC Touch Pro 2. So, by marketing and selling it to large businesses, with volume discounts, you may have to avoid the pesky iphone-dominated consumer market, while increasing your market share where it counts: premium do-it-all devices for business customers, from inventory terminals, to shipment trackers with built-in navigation, to blackberry replacements.

Bundyo 2009-09-05 19:24
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
Maybe Nokia is cautios to do that with an OS still very much in beta. After the release - probably, when the major issues are addressed and the platform is stable.

texaslabrat 2009-09-05 19:24
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fms (Post 322176)
I am surprised that not a single person so far has gone beyond the standard subsidized-handset-for-consumers approach here. With its capabilities and the price tag, N900 is a business device, very much like HTC Touch Pro 2. So, by marketing and selling it to large businesses, with volume discounts, you may have to avoid the pesky iphone-dominated consumer market, while increasing your market share where it counts: premium do-it-all devices for business customers, from inventory terminals, to shipment trackers with built-in navigation, to blackberry replacements.
Unfortunately, taking on the entrenched crack-berry mindset is an even steeper hill to climb than taking on the consumer-based iphone market. While I agree with you in principal, it's convincing cfo's and it managers (most of whom think business phone = blackberry, period) to get on board that's the problem.

fms 2009-09-05 19:34
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
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Originally Posted by texaslabrat (Post 322178)
Unfortunately, taking on the entrenched crack-berry mindset is an even steeper hill to climb than taking on the consumer-based iphone market. While I agree with you in principal, it's convincing cfo's and it managers (most of whom think business phone = blackberry, period) to get on board that's the problem.
Well, in this case it is easier, as N900 clearly has different set of features than crackberry: it has got a much bigger and nicer screen and a bigger keyboard to go with it. Once you implement push email from corporate Exchange servers to N900, you have got a valid offer to make to the suits. Besides, there is way more to N900 business use cases than simply a crackberry replacement.

Jaffa 2009-09-05 19:39
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
I suspect some senior execs at Nokia aren't happy with the push to Maemo for higher-end devices than Symbian (mmm, politics); or that they're just not as good at negotiating with carriers.

AFAIK, no operator subsidizing or offering the iPhone, the G1 or the Pre have any customisations - and these are devices very similar to the N900; both in terms of technology and target market.

mullf 2009-09-05 19:46
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 321929)
"The N900 looks promising; unfortunately, Nokia is selling it at a fatal price of $649. That's the price of three iPhone 3GSes, plus tax. If T-Mobile picks it up, they might subsidize it, but even a $250 subsidy brings it down to $400 - more in netbook range than in smartphone range."
Yeah, but if you buy three iPhones at the subsidized price, do you have to sign up for a six-year contract?

tso 2009-09-05 19:46
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
from what i understand, one thing that makes blackberry blackberry is remote wipe and control of available actions.

from what i can tell, the control of the n900 will in the hands of the owner/user, as much as nokia could make it.

ysss 2009-09-05 19:53
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
The G1 is pretty 'customized' to TMo. The included gtalk and ym client uses sms messaging protocol instead of a proper ip client. Skype is also hacked down to Skype Lite on the Android. You can't make ip calls with it.

fms 2009-09-05 20:04
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
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Originally Posted by tso (Post 322198)
from what i understand, one thing that makes blackberry blackberry is remote wipe and control of available actions. from what i can tell, the control of the n900 will in the hands of the owner/user, as much as nokia could make it.
This can all be easily added, if needed. In general, if a client is willing to buy a large enough batch of merchandise, the seller will customize it for the client.

texaslabrat 2009-09-05 21:14
Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900
 
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Originally Posted by fms (Post 322182)
Well, in this case it is easier, as N900 clearly has different set of features than crackberry: it has got a much bigger and nicer screen and a bigger keyboard to go with it. Once you implement push email from corporate Exchange servers to N900, you have got a valid offer to make to the suits. Besides, there is way more to N900 business use cases than simply a crackberry replacement.
As I said previously I agree with you in principal. However your assertions are naive and you are giving WAY too much credit to the average bean counter and manager by assuming that they would abandon the familiar blackberry ecosystem for a new platform (untested in their eyes) no matter the superiority on paper. Thats just not the reality of how the mainstream business world works. I've contracted at numerous fortune 500's and gov't agencies...and the inertial resistance to change is incredible.


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