Re: Greece financial bailout, and the mood of other Euro users.
 

Greece was just the first one to get hit... Has anyone seen the current status in Spain and Portugal...? Not much of a difference there... And since I've read some really annoying comments here let me, as a Greek, speak out to clear some things...

1. Yes, since 1974 all Greek politicians' priority is to steal money...
2. Greece's banking system remains excellent no matter how hard it's been hit...
3. YES, Greece is in huge need of warfare equipment... You wouldn't never understand of course... But the minute Greece stops purchasing tanks, weapons, fighters etc etc there's a huge chance we'll get invaded... And there are three candidates to do so... We can cope at ease with two of them... But not that easily with the greatest of them... And that is not only Greece's problem... Have you ever wondered why none of you wants Turkey in the EU...?
4. Everyone goes on pension after 35 years of hard-working and mostly low-paid days...
5. We are 10million Greeks... 150.000 people does not constitute a majority... MOST Greeks have accepted ther fate even though they are not responsible for what has happened in Greece for the past years...
6. Over the past years a huge amount of illegal migration has been going on... We have over 1,5 million people coming from Albania, Pakistan etc etc... One of the major reasons why our economy has crippled...
7. And you my dear Germans... Who feel sorry for Greece but say it's not your fault... Does any single one of you know of the loan you charged Greece with when you conquered us 65 years ago...? Are you aware of the total gold bars that once rested in Greece and during 1944 they all 'migrated' to Germany...?
8. Have you seen what the hell is going on in the international market and you think that pushing Greece out of Euro will solve Europe's issues...? Euro as a capital is going to crumble if doing so!

PS: You "ossipena" who so easily said 'fcuk you Greece'... I feel really sorry for you...

Re: Greece financial bailout, and the mood of other Euro users.
 

Let´s go offtopic.
Oh. Dear. Are you one of those Doom & Gloom apologists that daily troll in Murobbs and Ap-areena about how everything is going down :) Have you bought couple of tons of sugar already :D

If you compare Finland's statistics to other European countries you will see that our economy is on quite solid base. We can take loan for couple of years (actually it´s good thing to do) but after that we have to look that it slows down. Making this country profitable and interesting for mining, chemical, forest, technology industry etc. is key to success. One part of this is of course cheap electricity :)

Look this
http://yfrog.com/49velkap

We can easily go to 50-60% of our GDP and actually I think we should. Quite many statistic only show from year 2000 on but left most interesting part away and that´s the 90's when Finland went almost to bankrupt. Yes it´s wise to already think about how to start paying it and how to stop taking it, but there is too much dooming around. Yes we will need little "Jumalauta, vittu saatana" mentality but there is no reason to get too worried and throw hands in the air. ;)

.edit
http://www.stat.fi/tup/suoluk/suoluk...ous.html#velka

Re: Greece financial bailout, and the mood of other Euro users.
 

Yeah, I agree on most of the points BUT Greeks must also change couple of bad habits:

1) Don`t spent your salary on Bouzoukia ( for non-Greeks, google it)
2) Cut a lot of jobs that are not nesessary....one funny example was a driver at Olympic airlines that he was so fat that he was unable to drive, so instead of firing him they hired another driver to drive him around and he became the co-driver!ahaha
3) Don`t spend so much time at coffee shops....on average Greeks spent more time driking 'frappe' than working.

Re: Greece financial bailout, and the mood of other Euro users.
 

Haha! Yeah... Unfortunately we have a tendency for such things... And there are a lot more bad habits actually... But they are not the primary reason for Greece's state for the time being...

PS: I honestly reckon that this thread should be closed as it's turning to political...

Re: Greece financial bailout, and the mood of other Euro users.
 

4. that is no decision for anyone except global markets to make. you greeks tried to circumvent it, what has happened now? money comes from productivity, not 35 years of work...

6. excuses, excuses. what about Germany and ~10% of population?

7. Finland vs USSR. do I need to say more? (excuses, excuses)

8. may be. or may be not. useless speculation. euros problem now is that there are countries in that might go bankrupt.


ps, don't feel, no need to.



and slender: mainly because I have followed comments from our politicians concerning this greece -issue. if so stupid and naive people don't mess things up, it is a miracle ;)

Re: Greece financial bailout, and the mood of other Euro users.
 

to say it with the honorable words of seargent gunnery hartmann:
what the **** is that?

probably, due to my poor english-knowledge, a miss understanding. germany is guilty for borrowing money alrthough either knew or had to know that greek won't be able to pay it back. but we wanted to push the economy of politicians became the whore for getting the money started

Re: Greece financial bailout, and the mood of other Euro users.
 

And people of Greece vote these stealers again and again?

? Probably yes if you make your own statistics :)

Have you been brainwashed? So basically you live under constant fear. Why? btw. In Finland we also have compulsory military service for all men (6,9 or 12 months). Tell us why for example cutting your military budget half would mean that e.g. Turkey or any other you neighbour country got brightest idea to attack Nato country and invade it? Do you have oil? Your economy is highly depended on maritime and shipping of stuff from/to EU. Besides that tourism is the another big money maker. You also think that EU countries that are not in nato would just look you get invaded?

Only thing what I have wondered is why some suggest Turkey to EU. That´s just crazy.

That´s just fck up thing. I hope that people in general realize that it´s not possible to do something like that on long-term.

Yes. I know this and that´s why I understand that there is some quite angry people right now.

No it´s not. Major reason is Greece's Goverments inability to make your country profitable. What I have learnt about Greece in couple of weeks is that your country is quite close to communism. You goverment owns sht load of industry and corporations and keeps them running even when they do not make any profit.

Throwing reason to illegal migration is bit too easy. It´s of course one problem but I doubt that it´s the major one.

This one is interesting stuff. Any links on this. And how much of money we are talking here.

No that will not happen. Only sad thing here is that Greece should not have been never ever got permission to join EMU. But situation is what it is and we have to live with it.

BTW. Quite many finnish people have prejudice (or some might say racist opinions) about people living in mediterranean countries and their way of living and I have to say that recent statistics and news do not dimish these allegations :D

Re: Greece financial bailout, and the mood of other Euro users.
 

these claims need some sources or I call BS.

as I've said it is easy to say now that you shouldn't lended money to Greece after 2008. Could I have said the same in 2008? nope..

Re: Greece financial bailout, and the mood of other Euro users.
 

Actually there is a lot of difference. Just look at the debt as % of gdp figures and current deficit.
Also those countries are not as corrupt as Greece (which is only surpassed by Romania in the EU).
And if have more trust in their ability to implement cost cutting programs. Going on strike is not a solution.

Cheers

Re: Greece financial bailout, and the mood of other Euro users.
 

Dear Slender and everyone who commented on my post I promise to answer (with official numbers and not heavy speculations) by night... It's 3:30 here and I'm still working... Greece's economical comeback depends on me... :-P