Re: Who is going to make a geek phone?
 

On the N9, If you create a new contact with the name *#L33TU$3R#* and put picture of a penguin for the said contact, Hildon will start instead of the Harmattan UI.

Re: Who is going to make a geek phone?
 

I suspect you can't have your cake and eat it too, in this case.

Consider personal computers. It is something of a historical accident that large fraction of the world's population now owns general-purpose computers which they could, if they wished, program themselves. They own a computer to get on the net, to watch videos, and to run a few well polished programs. Most PC owners do not have the time, the inclination nor the ability to improve the software they run. Yet they have machines which can compile and run any program they come up with. What I believe Apple is trying to do is change this. Apple believes (obviously this is just my opinion) that consumers would be better off not owning general-purpose computers. They are moving their customers to machines which are locked down as tightly as a drum, and which will be able to run only software that Apple has carefully vetted, and which Apple can disable if serious problems are found. I think that will be the direction the industry follows, not only because many consumers would be better off if it were impossible for them to inadvertently install malware, or just accidentally screw up their OS, but also because content owners will be more willing to strike deals with Apple, because Apple will provide the most secure DRM via locked down hardware. Most of us on TMO want pretty much the exact opposite of this on our phones.

Re: Who is going to make a geek phone?
 

Yes, yes, but what if a company makes a clone of the iPhone, yet still leaves doors open for us to access the system?

Heck, Nokia is already halfway done already with the N9.....

Re: Who is going to make a geek phone?
 

Because the act of making the phone easily hackable for <10% of the buyers will make the phone less robust for the >90% who just want something that works reliably, and who could care less about FOSS.
Do you think the experience of most iPhone owners would be improved if they could download software that allowed them to overclock and mess with the voltages on their processors?

Re: Who is going to make a geek phone?
 

they designed an iphone killer without the ecosystem...

... this is what shits me - they take aim at the iphone demographic, but do not deliver the other half of the equation that the N9 NEEDS to succeed.

That end gadnet editorial said it well - if NOKIA has already announced that they are NOT behind Meego 100%, why should commercial devs buy into developing for this phone ?

Without commercial dev support - you think a large chunk of the mainstream users will bite ?

And its not even sure you will get community support - the "geek" demographic is not interested in this phone - so why should they spend their precious free time deving for a phone they do not use or own ?

So what support you have - you will have to get from Nokia...

... and yea, that REALLY inspires confidence.

Re: Who is going to make a geek phone?
 

While it does not overclock and mess with voltages...

... how many % of iPhones are jailbroken ?

Re: Who is going to make a geek phone?
 

in my world we share cars often, none of those have bluetooth and we all love to play FM DJ.

Even the good old Nokia N8 isn't left out.

It takes a real geek to trade in current usefulness for future potential prematurely. Yes my nineties computer had USB too.

Re: Who is going to make a geek phone?
 

Wow, if I actually cared, I could rip your points a new one.

If I actually cared...

Anyway, ysss is right, there's no good reason why we all can't have our cakes and eat them too. All of us. Even Hollywood execs.

Re: Who is going to make a geek phone?
 

I don't know, but I'll bet the percentage is small. I know quite a few people with rooted Android phones, but I don't personally know anyone who has jailbroken their iPhone. And I think Apple views iPhone jailbreaking not as evidence that there is a segment of the market they are underserving, but rather as an activity they would like to stamp out.

Re: Who is going to make a geek phone?
 

Well, I hope you're right, and I'm wrong; but you're not even trying to convince me. I will note in passing that it is difficult to purchase a car stereo that is also a Ham radio. Somehow, after all these years, radio manufacturers have not decided that's what the market wants.