Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances
 

Not true, which is quite funny as per se, considering who posted it :) No offense taken, Rob, but please, ask before spreading FUD like this.

I've declared, that I'll submit for CA in April - even before being elected for Councilor - and never changed my mind about that. If in doubt, go and read mailing list.

/Estel

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ZogG, gerbrick, etc - Honestly, I *don't* care if You like my tone, or not. Whole point is about You failing to acknowledge, that everything was discussed and approved for almost 2 months.

People like ZogG applied for device, accepting rules and never saying single bad word about it - then, after losing, they come here and start posting demagogic things. It's especially true for ZogG, who tries to say that "he don't need to read mailing list, TMO, news and IRC for 2 months", yet he applied for Community Award - so he was aware of rules and participants, for sure.

It's pathetic, ridiculous and miserable, and I'm *not* going to sugar-coat it You may cover Your words in demagogic sentences, that [b]*pretend*[/'b] to be polite or "adult", but it doesn't change merit - it's unjustified, childlish outcry of either CA losers, or people who found themselves in un-meritocratic side of fence, and don't have guts to excuse now, for accusing too early.

Again - I don't care if people like ZogG trust me or not. Don't like my work as Councilor? Don't vote for me for next period, *if* I'm going to throw my name in hat. Like my work as Councilor, but don't like me, and it's more important for You? do the same, fair enough. No matter what, I'll continue to volunteer work for the Community, with except, that the latter scenario will give me more free time, and less demands to re-phrase answer, that were given zillion of times already.
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For ones that still don't get it:

1. We think, that throwing Council names for CA, instead of granting devices for Councilor automatically, was more fair.

2. We did discussed it well with Community, and - except for geneven's one liner - no one ever said bad word about it, for almost two months

3. Paople like e-yes, notabigtruck or ZogG applied for devices, knew rules and other participants. They haven't protested, since final results. After losing, they started - more (ZogG) or less (y-yes angry one-liner)disguised in long, demagogic posts - outcry/

4. We think that it's ridiculous, yet, we've given detailed answers, including reference links to mailing lists, archival posts, announcements, etc.

5. People like ZogG stand in position, that they don't need to participate in Community channels, yet, they *know* that Councilors applying for CA is bad thing, so they outcry even more. People like gerbrick think that they haven't got answers, despite fact, that answers were posted more than 20 times, already.

Conclusion:
Is it my, or Council problem? Definitely not.

I'm done with this thread, and with any similar off-spring. Have fun pretending, that You're acting like adults.

/Estel

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Because some type of western people think, that writing FU in 5 sentences, make You more "adult"... ;)

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances
 

Didn't like nieldk's response as he actually repeated from sudden of nowhere, though he had chance to talk before, and he used to insult. And than again even in apology:
he still blame those, as they say "~4". But i thought it is pointless as at least one council talked honestly (i hope).

But now Estel gives it another turn, when i think it's better you decide between each other first why and who and when and than straight the story up.

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances
 

Why not say what you mean straight up if you planning to say it anyway? . The discussion would more correct and faster.

Re: [Council] Community Council Meeting (June 22, 2012)
 

I don't think it's advocating political correctness to ask council members to avoid inflammatory verbiage.

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances
 

What on earth does it take to make you happy?
I obviously cant say it clear enough!
You asked for an apology, I apologized, on a personal level once I became aware of an actual issue!
Insult, I dont think I insulted anyone, at least I have taken care NOT to.
But, what is the request from you REALLY, that you get a device?

Now, let me know from the rest of you guys!

1 should I resign from council?
2 Do you request that I forward my device?
3 all of the above

lets get some feedback on this, before friday this week, and I promise your voices will be heard, at least from me.

Whatever the outcome, I am not a coward that will leave this community to die, and I will stay and fight for its survival.

Re: [Council] Community Council Meeting (June 22, 2012)
 

Again, I ask: What should I have done? Quim and 6 of the other 7 nominees were all good with this solution, as were many past Council on the lists and TMO where this was discussed? What was my option? Withdraw my nomination for Council? I considered it.

And no, Gerbick, being Council doesn't make me some type of superior super-being that suddenly knows solutions to all things. I'm asking because I honestly don't see a solution to this. Especially not one that I, as a single Council member, can bring into being. Everyone seems to think that one Council member can single-highhandedly stop the entire community, and Nokia, and the rest of Council from doing something they're set on doing. So excuse me if I see the reply of "I won't comment" or "You should know what to do" as a cop-out.

First off... I (nor anyone) said anything about an ignore list. I think you're mixing things in your mind.

Second, did you bother to even read the logs, vs the 2 line excerpt Aries edited out of it? Did you not see the smiley face? Did you not get that I was making a joke?

And lets be clear here: I didn't call him a name, or insult him in any way. I simply stated a *FACT* that he said he was no longer using his N9, and that I would find it hard to lead a group based on a device while no longer using that device.

Was that a huge personal attack? One worth making a huge stink over? Was I calling out people by name as not being "worthy" of an award? I'd call that an attack. Or like calling people thieves, and a competition rigged, after being just fine with the rules when they were being formed when running for Council? I'd call that a personal attack.

I've yet to "personally attack" someone. All I've done is point out when others have been being rude. Don't think so? Please do prove me wrong. Go back and find somewhere where I've attacked someone personally and quote it here. You'll be hard pressed to find it. You'll find instead me telling people to stop being insulting, and for that, I'm damned.

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances
 

1. No, a councelier is selected for the term and I expect not less unless personal reasons.
2. No, if that is happening. Same should go for all winners. That would be ridiculous.
3. Please no! Someone like me or worse can be asked to take your place.

To all in this thread:
What are you doing to the guys in the Council. It should be fun to be a part of the community on all levels. I honestly don't understand why you all blow this thing out of proportion. It's amaze me. Stunning!

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances
 

It's enuf to give a little bit about that problem, and not act like child. i dont appreciate the tone talked to me and about that problem. I would accept it from the begging and from truly meaning it. But now? I'll just leave you alone, and as planned to be in read mode only here.
And before i'll add personal: I not only think that some people dont deserve any price, but even to be a council and the log after proves it. And no it wouldn't work that way to now say that we do it coz we were in list. And i never thought i'll get i wrote even in that words in submition. And it's obv than other people who speaked up more logical to understand by that they'll not get the phone as it would be also not ethic.
EDIT: for more readable log — http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23mae...06-26T21:40:10

Re: [Council] Community Council Meeting (June 22, 2012)
 

And this quote from log? I think you was at the meeting, was you? Or it was so normal that you didn't pay attention?

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances
 

I've looked and haven't found any such mail.

I know this post on May 28 where you and Woody were going to decide the awards:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...2&postcount=20

And I know this post on May 28 by you indicating submitting councilors (Me, Ivan and Niel) were stepping down:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...9&postcount=24

So as of May 28 you were one of two deciding the awards because you had not announced an intention to submit for an award (at least that's the way these posts indicate). And then you didn't nominate yourself soon after May 28, or during the subsequent debate about how to decide the awards, or say anything to indicate that you had submitted or that you would submit. I've also reviewed the council meeting logs of June 8 and June 15, and you didn't say anything then either.

Edit: link to mail on May 24 (after council election) has been provided which implies that Estel will apply for device

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...9&postcount=24