maemo.org - Talk - [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z

Another related problem is how it wants to call back to the google mothership before it even allows you to use wifi. There are situations where I just want the device to have local network access via a wifi access point that is not connected to the internet. But ****ing google mandates that the device conducts a "connectivity" test to ensure it can access the internet before it allows you to use the wifi connection (not strictly true - you can use it for a few seconds whilst it conducts the "connectivity" test and when it fails then it cuts off access).

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Sounds well known.
Possibly the way Nokia would have become also?
[even that behaviour on MeeGo/Symbian was 'just for user convenience': check internet accessibility, open a login/gateway/proxy landing page; else set connection from automatic use to manual]
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chenliangchen

2017-01-31 17:46

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device

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Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1521878)

What we need is a change of paradigm. Developing a product is NOT a spare time job. As long as it stays one, all we will ever get is spare time results. We need someone, preferably a whole team, working full time.

I really appreciate such statement. What I am trying to achieve is a commercial product which should have off the shelf quality and can be distributed worldwide.

After some careful consideration and evaluation I decided to execute this idea in another slightly different method:

Instead of building a complete slider phone, I will do a Slider Keyboard Mod for the Moto Z series.

The advantages are:

- Saving costs for building hardware. And eventually saving cost for the user.

Moto Z Play itself is a great device: Good performance, adequate hardware, nice build and camera and incredible battery life. The BL can be unlocked and is affordable. So the community can develop based on the hardware. And eventually Nemo or SFOS can also be ported.

- Shorter R&D time (Much shorter)

- Less risk. Overall much easier process.

- The successor to TOHKBD, with the support of a professional design/manufacturing team and an overall reliable platform (Moto Mods)

I have already been chosen as a finalist in Motorola’s “Transform the Smartphone” Challenge and have received their development kit and a free Moto Z.

The R&D design will be started shortly after the Chinese New Year holiday and I will post progress irregularly in here. The plan is to have a five-row keyboard slider mod with some extra battery. More info will be shared later. (I'm avoiding using "soon"...)

chenliangchen

2017-02-18 12:43

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device

I need some quick feedback from Maemians:

Trying to decide the keyboard layout based on TOHKBD (really love the design) But I won't keep it same as for obvious reasons.

What is the facts that we like or we dislike on the layout of TOHKBD? (Layout only)

Which specific point that we need to take into consideration?

The suggestions here will be affecting the final product.

velox

2017-02-18 14:48

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device

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Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1523705)

I take it you mean layout in general, not just the key positions itself (which were quite good, not much else to say about that).

Here's some things I liked:
- multiple keyboard layouts despite of small production run
- LED backlight
- could be used left or right
- it looked a bit like the n900 keyboard, the best mobile keyboard I've owned. ;)
- While not great in every aspect, magnets were a good way of working around a lot of problems.

About the only thing I didn't like about it was the amount of pressure required to press the keys.

chenliangchen

2017-02-18 16:24

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device

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Originally Posted by velox (Post 1523708)

I am just asking the key position... In general.

Regarding your points:
- Multiple keyboard will be available if the initial English keyboard is successful. I will need to save cost at early stage unfortunately.
- LED Backlight will be there
- I plan to put at lease navigation arrows on the left, so can be used as a game pad
- the advantage for this device is we have 5.5 inch in physical, get a bit more space to play with. N900 keyboard was good at its time, but only 3 rows and a bit compressed.

For your last point, it's the depth of the keypad. I have stated many time that this will be a commercial good quality product, the ease of type and comfortness is taked in to consideration.

mosen

2017-02-18 17:29

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device

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Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1522668)

(I'm avoiding using "soon"...)

Maybe use "next" then ;)

But a little heretic question, how likely from your estimate is it to not have android as the only option for a long time after delivery? I do not see Moto Z listed on the libhybris adaption list for now.
Nevertheless count me in, best of luck for your effort!

r0kk3rz

2017-02-18 17:42

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device

i wonder with a 5.5" device that a split keyboard might be the way to go, even with TOHKBD i felt that the keyboard was a little too big to get to the middle keys whilst holding it.

That said ive never used a TOHKBD for more than a few seconds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1523712)

A porter needs to buy a Moto Z and start porting, all the prerequisites are handled at this stage i think

chenliangchen

2017-02-18 17:57

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device

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Time to show some real work. To prove I'm not just talking here. :D

Sorry for so much watermark!! I don't want some bloggers steal my work here at least. It's still at very early stage. Let's keep it Maemian!

This is something that will look like in the future.

Keyboard layout is based on TOHKBD and will be changed!

I'm working on the keyboard layout now. And hence suggestions needed. :)

nthn	2017-02-18 18:16

Re: [Brainstorm][Maybe the real one?] Maemo Community Device

That looks great! I also agree with r0kk3rz that a split keyboard might be worth looking into.

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