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Dave999 2019-01-08 21:37
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1552488)
why don't you use a touchsreen instead of your computer keyboard then, do you?
Not the same thing. Size... But eventually hardware keyboards will disappear for computers as we know it today, yes. And computer input will evolve.

xman 2019-01-09 00:00
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I'm cool with everything in your ideal phone except the hardware button below the screen. I wouldn't mind more buttons around the device. But I'd rather not have any buttons take away from screen space like older android phones do. Even the gemini pda does that a bit.

x

Metsämies 2019-01-09 09:15
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1552487)
But hw QWERTY ist mainly for typing fast, right????????
Since it’s much faster type on a software keyboard...when it comes to small phones.

Is it more for visibility and general feeling?
No, you can type with hw qwerty while driving, without looking to keyboard. It's much slower to watch and write with software keyboard.

mosen 2019-01-09 12:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Metsämies (Post 1552499)
No, you can type with hw qwerty while driving
Jeah, we should bring our case to the EU.

"Special exception for use of mobile phones with hardware keyboard and proven ability to blindly operate the device while driving"

It is somehow unfair that only Finnish residents seem to have this right. :D
Is this a remnant of the formative Nokia era?

Dave999 2019-01-09 12:15
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metsämies (Post 1552499)
No, you can type with hw qwerty while driving, without looking to keyboard. It's much slower to watch and write with software keyboard.
Man, you should obviously not even have a phone at all :D

Get out of the car, sir!
Drop that QWERTY, you are under arrest due to your weapon of choice.

vitaminj 2019-01-09 13:17
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 1552490)
It did that once for me :D
Jesus I would have had a heart attack. My life (and Quim Gil's nokia device programme manager face) would have flashed before my eyes!

HtheB 2019-01-09 18:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaminj (Post 1552509)
Jesus I would have had a heart attack. My life (and Quim Gil's nokia device programme manager face) would have flashed before my eyes!
He hasn't been here since the end of 2012 though :(
http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=7630

Dave999 2019-01-09 19:22
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Hope he is doing fine. But he left Nokia, Nokia left maemo so I don’t see any real reason for him to stay.

https://wikimediafoundation.org/profile/quim-gil/

Not sure what he is doing now, though!

mosen 2019-01-09 20:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1552517)
Not sure what he is doing now, though!
https://writing.exchange/@quimgil

Dave999 2019-01-09 21:41
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1552518)
Yeah. He might know what happend to the maemo source. At the time, he simply diden’t wanted to hand it over :( but atlest, if he appears again. He might want to share what happend to it and we would be up for a nice story :)

Should have been a perfect match for this Fx, chenPhone, qwertyD or what ever the name will be.

pichlo 2019-01-10 06:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1552517)
Hope he is doing fine. But he left Nokia, Nokia left maemo so I don’t see any real reason for him to stay.
I fail to see the logic.

I likelove poppy seed strudel. I work in a bakery that makes poppy seed strudel. I leave the bakery and the bakery stops making poppy seed strudel. In your logic, it means you see no reason for me to like poppy seed strudel any more.

Dave999 2019-01-10 10:34
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1552528)
I fail to see the logic.

I likelove poppy seed strudel. I work in a bakery that makes poppy seed strudel. I leave the bakery and the bakery stops making poppy seed strudel. In your logic, it means you see no reason for me to like poppy seed strudel any more.
Well, I’m not respinsible for what you see/understand/comperhand/eat/like...

pichlo 2019-01-10 10:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1552532)
Well, I’m not respinsible for what you see/understand/comperhand <snip>
Actually, you are. If you find that people "do not get you", the problem is more often than not in the way you express yourself.

Dave999 2019-01-10 11:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1552533)
Actually, you are. If you find that people "do not get you", the problem is more often than not in the way you express yourself.
So I’m responsible for what you understand?

You can dissagree. But if you don’t understand the underlaying logic. I can’t help you.

chenliangchen 2019-01-10 14:44
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Some further interesting finding regarding the distance of the top row of keyboard to the edge of screen.

N810: ~2mm (Wondering the comment from Endsor)
N900: ~3mm
N950 and E7: ~4mm
HTC Touch Pro 2: ~5mm when in flat, ~2mm when lift screen up
FX: ~3mm from the picture, ~4mm after improvement

Not sure how much Moto's slider leaves. I think between 3-4mm would be a good balance for comfortable use and a good look.

Macros 2019-01-10 15:14
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Nice to know the exact numbers!

To add one:
The Motorola Droid 4 has 3.5 mm.
Even with the 3mm of the N900 it is very comfortable to type.
(but less would be bad!)

catbus 2019-01-10 16:38
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaminj (Post 1552475)
I hope the f(x)'s keyboard will be less stiff than the N950's - it always to me felt that the force needed to open the N950 would make it spring forwards out of my hands onto the floor in front of me, and that when closing, it would always risk "biting" my hand slamming shut.
You can always send Your N950 to me if it feels too stiff ;)

Sorry OT...

Dave999 2019-01-10 21:22
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chenliangchen (Post 1552545)
Some further interesting finding regarding the distance of the top row of keyboard to the edge of screen.

N810: ~2mm (Wondering the comment from Endsor)
N900: ~3mm
N950 and E7: ~4mm
HTC Touch Pro 2: ~5mm when in flat, ~2mm when lift screen up
FX: ~3mm from the picture, ~4mm after improvement

Not sure how much Moto's slider leaves. I think between 3-4mm would be a good balance for comfortable use and a good look.
These kind of changes are great and informative. But what does it mean in terms of a potential phone. Can you do changes like these and still deliver in Q1 or is it more like Q1 next year. What kind of changes must be done to get 1mm.

Body work must be done. Some basic tests maybe try out build test devices for production unit, release party and announcement.

kinggo 2019-01-10 21:46
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Less trolling and more actual reading can do wonders Dave. :rolleyes:

Dave999 2019-01-10 22:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1552564)
Less trolling and more actual reading can do wonders Dave. :rolleyes:
That can probably be a solution to some wonders but not stuff that one single dude knows in this thread.

Or do you mean mind reading? :confused:


Something have to go when you do changes. The result of the change might be great but at what cost? Thinner, weaker, delay, forcing other changes, durability....

Dave999 2019-01-11 07:08
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1552579)
Dave is really annoying. is it so fun to write jokes nobody laughs at except you? less narcissism please. or find another place for this...
No jokes from my side. Atleast not in my last few posts. Possibly some in last year. It was just a simple question how the 1mm change was achieved. How stuff like that impact project. If project still evaluate body work an changes an improvement.

Amboss 2019-01-11 18:00
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I'm not digging up chens ost for you, but he has written it was a prototype some months ago in that picture with the Nokias. And it was written that it had been noted back then.

Maybe I need to find the post to see if he has actually written 'noted and fixed' but the following post of chen made me think so. I think, sometimes implicit statements should be enough, especially if - as you always insist on - there is no final product to be seen.

Wasmachinemann-NL 2019-01-11 18:52
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
I really hope this phone is getting a release in Q1 this year!

Then again, rushing to get something to the market quickly is a bad idea.

Dave999 2019-01-11 20:03
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amboss (Post 1552607)
I'm not digging up chens ost for you, but he has written it was a prototype some months ago in that picture with the Nokias. And it was written that it had been noted back then.

Maybe I need to find the post to see if he has actually written 'noted and fixed' but the following post of chen made me think so. I think, sometimes implicit statements should be enough, especially if - as you always insist on - there is no final product to be seen.
No need to dig up anything unless you have a quality QWERTY buried at your backyard.

Sounds reasonable. What I was trying to establish was if they are still doing changes prototyping or if they actually can be ready. 2 month is not a huge amount of time. I think Q1 will be tricky for launch.

no worries. There is always a new Q1 soon.

catbus 2019-01-11 20:09
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1552608)
I really hope this phone is getting a release in Q1 this year!

Then again, rushing to get something to the market quickly is a bad idea.
The Bee said on #278 something like this:

Quote:
Yes, they will be attending MWC
And if he/she is insider, that Q1 maybe true... And maybe it is ;)

catbus 2019-01-11 20:16
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1552612)
What I was trying to establish was if they are still doing changes prototyping or if they actually can be ready.
When Chen answered that question, i got feeling that it is allready fixed... Try to read again... i can be wrong, as usually... ofcourse...

HtheB 2019-01-11 21:05
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1552608)
I really hope this phone is getting a release in Q1 this year!

Then again, rushing to get something to the market quickly is a bad idea.
This phone is being developed for over a year now. It's not rushed.

Everything is going according the road map. Q1 2019 is still on

Dave999 2019-01-11 21:10
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1552623)
This phone is being developed for over a year now. It's not rushed.

Everything is going according the road map. Q1 2019 is still on
Great! I’ve heard that before. Seeing is believing!

Looking forward to the MWC. Both flexible screens and this potential phone will be cool to check out.

Wasmachinemann-NL 2019-01-13 14:57
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I wonder if Rockbox would work on this device?

HtheB 2019-01-13 20:31
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1552669)
I wonder if Rockbox would work on this device?
You have much better alternatives for Android though. But Rockbox is available on Android, so yes it works on this device.

Dave999 2019-01-13 22:12
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
What kind of version of Android will it use. Official, black market, hack?

Or will it have any official or community updates?

HtheB 2019-01-13 22:53
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1552684)
What kind of version of Android will it use. Official, black market, hack?

Or will it have any official or community updates?
It will have out of the box: Android 9 (Google Certified) with Google apps and stock as possible.
But the bootloader is unlockable so you can flash whatever you want.

Metsämies 2019-01-14 04:49
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1552686)
It will have out of the box: Android 9 (Google Certified) with Google apps and stock as possible.
But the bootloader is unlockable so you can flash whatever you want.
Pure android without spying google would be better choice.

Macros 2019-01-14 05:18
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As sad as it is: Not for the "normal" user.
They expect Gmail and Play Store and Google Maps and the device has to sell.

An unlocked bootloader will make it very easy to install Lineage OS without GApps.

Metsämies 2019-01-14 08:43
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Macros (Post 1552690)
As sad as it is: Not for the "normal" user.
They expect Gmail and Play Store and Google Maps and the device has to sell.
I have bought two android phones from China and there is no Google play there, I think it's illegal there?

HtheB 2019-01-14 08:58
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metsämies (Post 1552689)
Pure android without spying google would be better choice.
Not for everyone...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Metsämies (Post 1552696)
I have bought two android phones from China and there is no Google play there, I think it's illegal there?
They need to be certified. If they aren't, they can't put Google Play on it.
Fx will be certified.

foufoutos 2019-01-14 12:10
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Any price pool ?

Boemien 2019-01-14 12:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by foufoutos (Post 1552704)
Any price pool ?
YEah, please tell us... It's Time to start sparing some money!!! :D

deutch1976 2019-01-14 12:47
Re: Are you Ready? Fx HW Keyboard Phone
 
I'm expecting a final price around 700€

mscion 2019-01-14 13:20
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Would not be surprised if it cost over $1000.


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