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-   -   What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ? (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=17727)

sd_proto 2008-05-11 03:50
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Yikes, you guys are like are flock of piranhas!! :D Since I threw in the bait last night you've chewed it up and 9 pages later (while I was sleeping no less!) we know a LOT more about Diablo. Awesome work.

Is there any way to tar this up similar to KDE and boot it from one of the cards or is there actual flashing to the internal flash that needs to be done also?

I think I did see several posts back that one of you had it set up as a secondary boot.

Sigh.... *another* interruption :mad:, gotta go now..... maybe by the time I actually get more time to try this the files will be gone.

GeneralAntilles 2008-05-11 04:28
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sd_proto (Post 180247)
Is there any way to tar this up similar to KDE and boot it from one of the cards or is there actual flashing to the internal flash that needs to be done also?
Perhaps, but to what end? It's more productive for you to just upgrade yourself. . . .

Benson 2008-05-11 04:53
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Someone could take a clean chinook flash, diabolize it, tar it up, and get their server hammered by everyone downloading it and untarring it on their mmcs, while complaining loudly and bitterly because there's no .deb. And, a few, failing, and complaining ever louder and bitterer.

Why does it sound better to update it yourself...

Steps (as I understand it):
  1. Remove any of
    • modest
    • powerlaunch
    • spellchecker browser add-on
    which is installed. (Modest is now default, you can try reinstalling powerlaunch and spellchecker when you're done.)
  2. Edit the sources list as suggested here.
  3. Follow mvo's instructions, summary:
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mvo
    • Put the device into R&D mode and disable the lifeguard reset.
    • Make sure you have a lot of free space in / and/or move the apt archive cache from /var/cache/apt/archives to a memory card.
    • Run apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked in a shell that doesn’t die when the network goes down.
    • Make some coffee, walk the dogs, plant a tree.
    • File bugs.

Anyone who can't do that probably wouldn't succeed with a tarred rootfs, either.

Bundyo 2008-05-11 05:02
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
And also - be prepared to fail :)

Texrat 2008-05-11 05:02
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
qwerty, you have rapidly become a very valuable member here. Nice work. Glad to have you on board. ;)

GeneralAntilles 2008-05-11 05:11
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 180258)
And also - be prepared to fail :)
The single biggest sticking point is probably running out of space during the install. As, such, you need to make sure that the cache is on a card (something like ln -s /media/mmc1/var/cache/apt/archives /var/cache/apt/archives will work nicely) and delete any extraneous stuff floating around (like the documentation pdfs and bundled media files). If you run out of space, clearing some up then running apt-get -f install should get you back on track, though. Just beware that the network interfaces go down during the upgrade.

My personal recommendation is to just start with a fresh install and upgrade from that. It'll make things much easier than pounding your head against the wall trying to get a non-fresh install upgraded. Also, be sure to clone maemo Extras and change the distribution to "Chinook" so you can have access to Chinook Extras (since Diablo Extras is a little on the small side at the moment).

Bundyo 2008-05-11 05:33
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
This kind of first recovery is easy and should be done at all costs, 'cause if you restart and face an unbootable system, things get kinda complicated for the average joe.

qwerty12 2008-05-11 05:38
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sd_proto (Post 180247)
Is there any way to tar this up similar to KDE
Doing it like KDE is out. All KDE does is mount a file containing an /usr/local with kde files and sets it as a path. Try mounting the entire system and it wont be nice.

Quote:
qwerty, you have rapidly become a very valuable member here. Nice work. Glad to have you on board.
Thank you :). Glad to be here!

What I did to install was reflash and make the symlink from archives to my memory card. I then used DTA on the computer to download the packages (more reliable) and placed them in the archives folder.
I then just did apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked and waited for it to install as it needed no dodgy downloading :)

Bundyo 2008-05-11 05:41
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Also, to make it clear - its very useful to have a dual boot set up - you can always run the other install if the things get too messy :)

sd_proto 2008-05-11 07:18
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
I understand your point and I don't want to provoke a debate, but a lot of people have succeeded installing KDE from a tarball. I also understand it could be a valuable learning experience too, but some people don't have linux installed to run the flasher from, or may not want to risk bricking their IT, or may be able to contribute some other valuable information without having to go thru this. I know there are always a subset of people that are never satisfied with whatever they get, but anyway.... It just might help a few extra people enjoy the fun.

As soon as I can get enough uninterrupted time to play with this I not the least bit incapable of doing the upgrade myself and still think you guys have done a outstanding job in less than 24 hours!

qwerty12 2008-05-11 07:22
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Installing it from tarball kde style is not possible. Just reflash and do it apt-get way, worked perfect for me.

qwerty12 2008-05-11 08:41
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Ok, I've found some things. New initfs in diablo has stuff for wimax tablet. There is libbb5 confirming some of my suspicions and a program called bb5-random. There is also now a bme-RX-48 which we understand to be the wimax tablet.

Quote:
USB device found found at bus 001, device address 014
Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1302
NOLO version 1.1.11
Version of 'sw-release': RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_3.2008.18-11_PR_MR0

qwerty12 2008-05-11 09:16
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Ok, I can confirm diablo initfs is not compatible with N800.

I made a stripped down version of the initfs but my N800 keeps rebooting. Any hackers aka fanoush willing to take a look?...

Bundyo 2008-05-11 09:41
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
BTW, I don't see a point in making a tarball or a deb with the Diablo - after all it will be out soon.

qwerty12 2008-05-11 09:56
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson (Post 180257)
Someone could take a clean chinook flash, diabolize it, tar it up, and get their server hammered by everyone downloading it and untarring it on their mmcs, while complaining loudly and bitterly because there's no .deb. And, a few, failing, and complaining ever louder and bitterer.

Why does it sound better to update it yourself...

Steps (as I understand it):
  1. Remove any of
    • modest
    • powerlaunch
    • spellchecker browser add-on
    which is installed. (Modest is now default, you can try reinstalling powerlaunch and spellchecker when you're done.)
  2. Edit the sources list as suggested here.
  3. Follow mvo's instructions, summary:

Anyone who can't do that probably wouldn't succeed with a tarred rootfs, either.
I think these should be added too:
sudo gainroot
rm /usr/share/osso/images/initfs.jffs2
flash-and-reboot

This will give you the new kernel as I found out first at 12:30 AM :P :/

Here is my stripped down diablo initfs, it doesn't work so DONT flash it but it is the original with the crap removed so it fits in flash.
I attach it if someone wants to work on it. I don't have the time.

http://www.mediafire.com/?q040z2hmn20

Bundyo 2008-05-11 09:59
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Anything new in this kernel? What version is it?

qwerty12 2008-05-11 10:00
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Still same version but it was compiled last month compared to the chinook one which was compiled in Dec.

kudos1uk 2008-05-11 10:45
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
I'm fine with everything but what is needed to fulfill this?: "in a shell that doesn’t die when the network goes down"

qwerty12 2008-05-11 10:49
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
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I think it just means make sure the network stays up otherwise you will get undownloaded packages. I didn't use the network to download my packages.

Meanwhile, here is another screenshot:
http://i31.tinypic.com/59zsk5.png

(if you are wondering, the only update atm is Map)

Legal warning changed:

Bundyo 2008-05-11 11:23
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
MicroB and Modest are using maemo-invoker, so they should be starting faster.

I fixed my Modest problem - version 17 doesn't have any dependency problems, but doesn't even start for me, so i decompressed 19 and pasted directly on top of the other one. So now it works.

Downgraded RSS Reader Applet to the Navi version - still no option in 1.5.x for one liners.

Looks like the long-tap bug is fixed and also MicroB always reacts when i tap the back button. Anybody else to confirm these? (EDIT: tried with mtPaint, touchscreen feels much more responsive now)

Bundyo 2008-05-11 11:34
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qwerty12 (Post 180324)
I think it just means make sure the network stays up otherwise you will get undownloaded packages. I didn't use the network to download my packages.
No, the reason is that when the wifi is upgraded, the network should be brought down.

luca 2008-05-11 11:39
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 180260)
My personal recommendation is to just start with a fresh install and upgrade from that.
The point of upgrading via apt-get is not to lose your settings and installed applications, if you have to reflash a clean chinook, it's probably better to wait until the diablo images are out and flash those instead.
I can understand if you don't want to wait though ;)

Gourmand 2008-05-11 11:40
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
read through this all...

are 2 annoying bugs fixed in 4.1?
I tell about:
1) debouncing touchscreen issue... don't have more words about it...
2) long tap emulating "right button" - in my Chinook menu disappeares after first long tap then I have tap and hold again

are these bugs fixed?

Bundyo 2008-05-11 11:42
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
1) Can you describe that more?
2) Looks like fixed, my long-taps are working okay.

EDIT: @Mara: The bug you mentioned about not being able to change fullscreen state while loading pages in MicroB exists, but seems like MicroB is losing focus while loading - if you click in the window and press fullscreen - it works.

qwerty12 2008-05-11 11:56
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
A qwerty12 exclusive :p

This is the set-up wizard. And ipv6 support is built into diablo. Run /usr/bin/osso-ipv6-enable.sh
edit, it may need modules from initfs, I'll make initfs with ipv6 modules in it later.

The new browser is great! When only 1 window crashes, it doesn't close the others!

http://i31.tinypic.com/15nt1c8.jpg

joepagiii 2008-05-11 12:02
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rnirnber (Post 152880)
are we talking about the pc game???
sorry to rehash this one......:) i still get a giggle....great work on teasing us on getting this up and running guys...and thanks for the screenshots.....

Bundyo 2008-05-11 12:25
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Don't know if someone brought this up, but MicroB now can show RSS feeds.

Gourmand 2008-05-11 13:05
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:
1) Can you describe that more?
I started thread about this some time ago

bunanson 2008-05-11 13:40
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson (Post 180257)
...
Run apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked in a shell that doesn’t die when the network goes down.
...

Do N800 and N810 use rx34 or rx44 or no such thing?

bun

Benson 2008-05-11 13:44
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
N800 = Rx-34
N810 = Rx-44

qwerty12 2008-05-11 13:46
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
rx34 = n800
rx44 = n810

there is an rx34 one.

Benson beat me lol.

Bundyo 2008-05-11 13:56
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gourmand (Post 180347)
I started thread about this some time ago
Well, not to say big words, but i didn't notice such thing.

Mara 2008-05-11 14:24
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 180337)
EDIT: @Mara: The bug you mentioned about not being able to change fullscreen state while loading pages in MicroB exists, but seems like MicroB is losing focus while loading - if you click in the window and press fullscreen - it works.
Looks like you are correct... :) I can confirm your workaround.

Aisu 2008-05-11 14:57
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Qwerty, is this what you got when you ran apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked? (In my case rx44)

Code:
330 upgraded, 104 newly installed, 891 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
Need to get 78.7MB of archives.
After unpacking 13.9MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
That doesn't seem right to me. It's in R&D mode with no lifeguard, and my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list looks like:

Code:
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ diablo user
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ ./
deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free
Need I change something?

{EDIT} It is also a clean flash, except I installed OpenSSH, just to get that output to paste here. Not trying to use it for running update.

qwerty12 2008-05-11 15:07
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aisu (Post 180367)
Qwerty, is this what you got when you ran apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked? (In my case rx44)

Code:
330 upgraded, 104 newly installed, 891 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
Need to get 78.7MB of archives.
After unpacking 13.9MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
That doesn't seem right to me. It's in R&D mode with no lifeguard, and my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list looks like:

Code:
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ diablo user
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ ./
deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free
Need I change something?

{EDIT} It is also a clean flash, except I instaledl OpenSSH, just to get that output to paste here. Not trying to use it for running update.
I did get that 13MB will be freed. 891 packages sounds right imho:
Quote:
BTW, the whole mess of language packages (895) is replaced with one package for each language. That's not bad i think

Aisu 2008-05-11 15:09
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Alright! Thanks a lot! :D Will try that update.

qwerty12 2008-05-11 15:11
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Good luck with it :)

Underscore, as I see you here, you want me to try out NuvoClear theme on Diablo? :)

GeneralAntilles 2008-05-11 15:40
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by luca (Post 180334)
The point of upgrading via apt-get is not to lose your settings and installed applications . . .
I'm well aware of the point, but the facts are that upgrading a non-fresh system is very likely to result in a non-bootable or non-usable system, meaning you'll have lost all of your settings and applications anyway. So, better to plan for that and move your system over to an SD card (or leave it there if it already is) and upgrade a fresh install where your chances of success are much higher.

Quote:
Originally Posted by luca (Post 180334)
. . . if you have to reflash a clean chinook, it's probably better to wait until the diablo images are out and flash those instead.
Hardly, that's likely months away. Waiting until then to play around is pointless.

Benson 2008-05-11 15:48
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Well, I'd like to see if Nuvoclear works, though I doubt they changed anything related to that.

Aisu 2008-05-11 16:26
Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Confirmed working on N810!

http://tablethacker.com/temporary/sc...reenshot01.png

http://tablethacker.com/temporary/sc...reenshot00.png

(I really like the "Update All" option. Was that there before?)

:D


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