Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

It's part of my charm. ;)

I did skim more than I intended, and assumed you intended some sort of poll to "prove" how "broken" the process was. I'm sorry.

I'm not particularly hopeful about people's abilities to diagnose their own symptoms here, and don't think a poll is going to be the most useful of approaches. I'd rather just try to figure it out person-to-person (as I've been doing elsewhere), than shotgun a list a guessed causes and get people to tick boxes.

Anytime.

:rolleyes:

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Spoke too soon... Got the update notification again today and watching traffic here I found that reflashing actually took me backward. Took the chance again and got into the reboot loop again. Only thing I can think may be contributing to this is leaving the mini SD card in place during update?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Leaving the mini SD card in should not, in and of itself, interfere with SSU.

Re: welcome to a new update all diablo os2008 users!
 

this happens with mine too. gmail pop3

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Help! What have I done? I'm afraid to reboot!

Virtually nothing is working now! I have one active SSH session that is kind of working.......

Is there a way to install what was removed using apt-get and the debs I have left in /var/cache/apt/archives ?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

went online for the first time in a week or so, update icon showed up quickly, update went totally smoothly, no probs!

browser does seem a bit quicker

all good!

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

So that (and GA and several other "power-users" reporting no big issues) kind of blows away the theory that it is only power-users have this reboot-loop issue.

So let's try to find the common thread that is definitely causing some issues with many people that are not using their tablets in exotic ways.

The only things that I had on my tablet that could possibly be considered non-standard are:
1) rtcomm beta
2) chinook base and extras repos in order to install some old apps that hadn't been moved over.

Are either of these two commonalities anong other people having issues that don't fit into the "5 stages of self-doomed hackerdom" as outlined by Jaffa?

PS ... just to add that it is an N810 that I have that I had SSU issues with.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

rtcomm was installed here, but i removed it partially to make sure i had enough free space (libpurple wanted pidgin-data, and takes up about 20MB).

chinook base and extras disabled here...

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Received the update message about an hour ago. Had to clear some space for it otherwise nothing unusual. AFAIK I don't have rtomm beta but may have chinook base and extra repos, tho I don't think I have Chinook installed. I'm getting the "won't shut down - pulled battery - start loop". I've got 2X 4Gb SDHC cards anyone ideas as to what else could be common?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

...which, of course, was supposed to be an example list; not definitive (if I knew, I could fix the problems ;-))

rtcomm-beta's an interesting idea. qole had that installed at the summit, might prove to be a data point.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Excellent! Rebooting now would make things quite hard to recover indeed.



Looks like you've attempted to upgrade with the SDK repo enabled, causing conflicts with busybox.

I'm not familiar enough with Debian packaging to be sure what you should do from here, but I think none of that would work anymore. As I understand it, you are currently stuck with no tar, and probably no shell, so installing packages may not work...

First order of business, then, would be to get busybox back on, and all relevant links reinstated. You've got a busybox in /mnt/initfs, but it's linked against a different libc, so you can't just drop it in here...

All I'm thinking is to rip busybox out of another system (on an SD, if you have one).

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

A quick look thru this thread shows we're talking N800s and N810s. It's not simply a case of OK for N810, not OK for N800, is it?
Sorry, I havent had time to read all 30 pages...

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

There have been a couple of observations that N800s are fine and N810s break, but it's not that simple. While more trouble is reported with N810s, some N810s went fine, and some N800s failed; I don't think there's a significant correlation.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

as a data point, then...

My unit is an N800, not an N810

I don't have rtcomm-beta installed.


...but, I do have Pidgin (and, thus, libpurple) installed from the Chinook extras repository.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Thanks! So you said:


I have gtar and I have a SSH shell, but no ls, cp, etc. I manageed to gtar up my archives and /home directories. How do I use apt-get to install a local .deb in my archives directory? Yes I have busybox in /mnt/initfs/bin but I can't seem to execute anything there. I'm also running this OS off of SD, so I suppose I *could* reboot to the flash OS, mount the SD OS and ah, I'm freaking out, can you or anyone give me a roadmap or have I fubar?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

N810, failed :-(
(After the update, hardware buttons didn't work anymore, so I was unable to reboot. Had to remove the battery. Now stuck in endless rebooting loop)

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Are there other ways to re-flash on Windows than through the Nokia software program? I've got the booting problem for one of my tablets (n810), but the update wizard doesn't recognize it (pushing the upper one on the tablet's front).

Have others had success on flashing with the wizard? Most of the posts in the thread seem to concentrate on other platforms.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

@st5150: Any dpkg? :)

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

yes!


I've never used dpkg though... help?

ps- want to "talk" in my other thread to keep this one from being further cluttered? http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=23986

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Also, disagreements. I disagree. :)

If I see the word 'shenanigans', one more time... :P

HEY! I think I might have charm too! :D

...and finally, for my one serious answer in this reply...

I have an N800 and it failed for me the first time. I had to flash back to the original Diablo release and then let it update until it was finally up-to-date.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Quickie answer here: dpkg -i packagename.deb

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Ya ... I realize that. I was just being sarcastic since people seemed to be using that as the canonical list of reasons why they should entirely dismiss people having issues.

It is pretty intrusively replacing core bits but I found it really stable.

I am pretty sure that I had rtcomm-beta install before the last SSU and it went fine. There may have been an update to rtcomm-beta since then though. So if that is the culprit, that would narrow down the list of causes. Maybe I will reflash back to the old firmware again and try to cause it just by installing that one package.

Is it possible to cleanly "uninstall" the SSU package and revert back the the pre-installed state or is it the case where the SSU package is just a meta package that drags all the required updates in and is non-reversible?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I did not have rtcomm-beta nor pidgin installed in my N810 and suffered the death loop. I had Gizmo, though.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!: All the issues I have found
 

I have gone through 4 update installations to be finally able to know what fails and gather that information (1->reboot cycle-teeth gnashing, 2->white screen of death-head banging, 3->success, 4->document and check fixes)

I put this here in the hope it can help those of you who haven't still updated to avoid failure.
The first issue is the big update size. Make sure you have plenty of space before trying.
Second, you better make a backup of your system if you haven't done so (see this post http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...8&postcount=31) and want to avoid a full reflash. Once you have a rootfs backup save the file in your PC to be able to reflash it with flasher, if things go wrong. If you have a bootable system in mmc, just do a tgz backup.

Now, lets start with all the issues I have found:

- The update can't be installed if sliderotate is installed. Simply uninstall sliderotate. Same with certain flash patch, it is documented in this thread (I do not have that patch)

- The update contains 32 deb archives. That in itself is not an issue, but, given how the package manager/apt works, means that if only one of such packages doesn't install, all packages will remain unconfigured leaving the system broken unless fixed by hand. So, for this very reason, use apt-get to install the update, and do not reboot if the update fails unless you have no other option.

- apt and the nokia repositories are updated too, if the update fails, the nokia repositories are borked and you won't be able to fix the system unless you already have all packages. Pre-download all packages first with "apt-get -d install osso-software-version-rx44"

- The update contains a documentation package. This package causes a lot of trouble, because it fails if the user has moved, removed or linked the documentation files:
It fails if there is no files in "/usr/share/pre-installed/MyDocs/.documents/". Create that directory and touch or put a file there if you have that deleted.
It fails if the "/home/user/MyDocs/.documents/osso_software_copyright.pdf" file is a symlink
It fails if the "/home/user/MyDocs/.documents/~sfil_li_folder_user_guides/" directory is a symlink or is empty. Make sure you have an actual directory with any file there.

- The init.d handling scripts are prone to fail, and because dpkg is not robust and/or post-install scripts have poor error recovery, causes the "dangling symlink /etc/rc2.d" problem. This problem doesn't affect everyone, and only happens on some packages. I think it is relate to how the post-install script passes arguments to the "invoke-rc.d" script, but I have to investigate further. In this update, the packages tablet-browser-daemon, mce, ke-recv and icd2 are affected by this problem and their installation will fail.
The best way to get rid of this problem once and forever is to edit the "/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d" script and make sure it never fails the symlink check. There is already a thread about this in ITT. I have attached the fixed script here, so just copy it to /usr/sbin
A worse way to fix this is to delete the /etc/rc2.d related files (S99tablet-browser-daemon, S21mce, S30ke-recv, S59icd2) when the installation fails, then after successfully installing those packages (using "dpkg -i" because apt-get won't work) you'll have to create by hand those symlinks or otherwise the following things will not work right: usb, screen keyboard, network, power-off button. Those packages are tricky to get installed because they need other packages configured before installing, so you need to run "apt-get -y -f install" before "dpkg -i"

- Do not work through a ssh shell and don't let the tablet enter power-save mode. One of the packages is the network daemon (icd2) and will be shut down when installing, cutting off your shell. Since also mce is being reinstalled and has been shut down too, if you tablet enters power save mode you won't be able to regain control of it or even properly turn it off, leaving no other option than to remove the battery.

- It is possible to reboot with the update not configured if the only packages not installed are tablet-browser-daemon, mce, ke-recv, icd2 and the documentation, and then finish the installation by hand. Failure before that probably means endless reboot cycle.

- If the update has failed but you have been able to complete installation by hand, you have to "flash-and-reboot" to install the new kernel and initfs

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!: All the issues I have found
 

While I had my problems with this update, having sliderotate installed wasn't one of them...unless sliderotate was responsible for removing osso-software-version, and uninstalling would have put it back. Even if it was responsible for that, reinstalling osso-software did the trick. Once the system updated, I just reinstalled sliderotate kernel from within sliderotate settings, and I was good to go.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!: All the issues I have found
 

It gave me a conflict with xserver-xomap, and didn't go away until I uninstalled sliderotate.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Recent versions of sliderotate do not conflict with osso-software-version-rx?4-unlocked; in any event uninstalling sliderotate would not restore that... Some early rotation packages did force removing an osso-software-version, but I think since the first SSU they've been largely ok.

Removing osso-software-version-rx?4-unlocked is an additional cause, however it happens, and can (AFAIK) only really be fixed ahead of time by installing it again.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I almost feel guilty in saying that my update went off without a hitch, but it did and thank the Gods for that because based on my topsy turvy life, I just need stress free gadgets right now and after a weekend of restoring a windows xp pc from scratch, the last thing I needed would have been a infinite boot loop issue on my N810. Just sort of stunned that so many users are having so many issues with this upgrade.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Key word was tend (I even emphasized it in the original post).

And if ya like, I can prove my premise with stats. I didn't get hired as a data analyst for my good looks. :D

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I updated two N800's today, and both went fine. I did notice that when the devices were being halted at the end of the update, there was a period of time where the screen went dark, but the device wasn't fully shut down. The screen actually faded twice -- once from the hildon UI down to a powered dark screen (a very odd fade away), then later the LCD powered down completely. It looked down for a while, but wasn't quite.

Once shut down, I could start the devices again with no issues. Pressing the power button let the LED light up, device booted etc.

Are people being patient enough during the halt? Are files being corrupted if the battery is being yanked during the final writes out to flash memory?

Just one observation.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Yep, everyone knows data analysts are hired for creativity, not looks. :p

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Don't muddy this all up with facts. I go with the truthiness from my gut. You can't trust facts! Heck.. even my spell-checker is nagging at me that 'truthiness' isn't a word--but I know in my gut that it IS a word... and that's a fact. ;)

BTW: HUuuuuuuge thanks to maacruz for gathering all that info and for the constructive suggestions! ...even if they're not a good exercise in truthiness. ;)

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

(OT) LOL... I laughed my *** off at Stewart and Colbert last night. Colbert had Paul Begala in stitches, too. Those guys are enjoying the US political craziness too much. Almost as much as some of you are enjoying the SSU (see how I brought that back on topic?)

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

OK, I don't know what the problem was before because the update installed fine today. Weird. Browser is a little faster (especially on this forum), but I'll have to check elsewhere to see if there's a major difference. Anyone know if the battery charge problem still exists (giving false readings, etc)?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

one thing that now works for me that never did before is that the file manager now lists windows and SMB servers on the lan, which has been a bonus.

also, file manager shows bluetooth devices like my phone, again, it never showed that before.

it does seem slower connecting to wifi.

I've not exercised it enough to comment on speed of the browser.

EDIT: yes, its definitely a bit "snappier". was browser Auntie Beeb's news this morning and pages rendered faster with zoom and full screen switching being very quick - it nearly completed the zooming before the pop-up appeared saying "zoom to 120%". Thanks, Nokia.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

ok, maacruz's post makes me wonder if the people that did the ssu system at nokia actually understands how .deb and apt-get works...

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

I have RTCOMM Beta installed on my N810, and I've had no problems with either SSU.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Well, I'm really happy with the fact that all this stuff is in this one thread, so if I have a problem all I have to do is make an in-depth study of 32 pages!!

I just reflashed the old-fashioned way and didn't even restore a backup. Everything is working fine.

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

Strange. I have the update, but I can't get file manager to see the SMB shares on my network.

I can't seem to find anyway to adjust the settings (like the workgroup name) anyplace. Is there something extra I need to install?

Re: Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!
 

OK, welcome to Diablo original completely-non-updated, then... :confused:

There's no FIASCO images for anything since 2008.23-14 that I can find. (On http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php, that is.) So while reflashing the old-fashioned way works, it doesn't really help. (Unless you know of an updated image somewhere else? I try to keep the latest image on hand, since last time I trashed my initfs and Nokia's servers were down... So by all means, let us know if you swiped found an image of 36-5!)