Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

hogwash,
You may indeed have had to a few years ago, it was Jesus himself who nurtured maemo in the beginning!

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...259#post287259

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Actually, I might punch that guy for giving it such a confusing name to pronounce ;)

mee mow
my mow
may mow

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Part of the infamous step 5 is to correct the name. ;)

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Most pronounce it (May-MO)

The supposed correct pronunciation is (My-em-Oh) or (My-ay-mo) ??

The question is? how do you pronounce it in Aramaic??

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I've retrained myself to pronounce it like the Finns do - my mow

I naturally pronounced it mee mow originally...

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That's a significant difference, but not for the definition of phone vs. computer. The latter has never needed 3D hw acceleration or dual CPUs.

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Pretty sure they're both computers. Just like your DAP and digital camera and ...

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Yep, just what I meant :)

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Sounds like they've started mass production of the boards and they're just waiting on the case moulds.

Should only be another two months, I reckon!

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Fixed in Fremantle.

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The case moulds are almost done, the first batch of boards are being mass produced, and everything seems to be going well....

When is the Pandora shipping? Calculator
When is the N900 shipping? Calculator

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It's my understanding that the Pandora "Calculator" is always 2 months ahead of todays date.

Rather funny I think ;)

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:D

[mode=reporter][category=sports][mood=exciting]With N900 the chances for Pandora are increasing. IncreasingInteresting times ahead[/]

BTW, Qole, in Opera your HTML is shown in my titlebar and the page is empty. I think that is because you put <title>blah<title> and left out a / and second <title>

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Thanks. Fixed.

If anyone hears any more news, I'll add it to that page...

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Last time I checked the pandora forums they were set to receive all their parts in a week or two. Craigix doesn't want to spoil it but he's hinting sometime in November the first pandora batch will ship.

It's going to be a real close one guys.

2 Months (TM) :D

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Is the excitement still as high since the release of the archos 5 and the feature set of the n900?

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In a word, YES!

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You people who do not speak English as native language communicate in English too well.... I have my eyes on you...... ;)

Pandora looks cool, but my PSP already covers my favorites and I added a 32gb card ;) (two 16gb micro sd in a duo adapter).

Now, if they can get the Dreamcast emu working well in Pandora..... Dead or Alive 2 will urge me to get one! Unless the N900 will play it ;)

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Actually, once Pandora is available I'll seriously consider to buy one for Maemo development. As in: to play with extras-devel and run target code on to to test for N900 without screwing my N900. The processor and screen size is similar, so performance-wise they shouldn't differ.

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Unless you've ordered one now, good luck on purchasing a Pandora soon. The second batch will be released in 28 weeks = 7 months from the release of the first batch. You're already looking at around May 2010 right there. Are you willing to wait that long?

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Was the May 2010 date intended to be for the first batch or for the second? ;)

The Pandoras might be physically ready to ship soon (only two months, right?), but have they got a workable OS, with a full complement of drivers, for them yet?

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Well, here they are, releasing in Q4, and they've found a way to make me not-furious with them.

Damn those Finns.

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@qole: The drivers are there. The OS is pretty basic, but it seems to be Angstrom Linux (and whatever runs on it). However, you should definitely expect to see Mer on the Pandora. :)

@all: Maybe this is coming a bit late, but this whole us vs. them mentality is starting to depress me a little bit. I really feel like the mobile Linux community is too small (not counting Android and Pre/WebOS here) for us to afford to be so divided. Hopefully this will change once both hardware platforms are shipping. I just feel like being able to collaborate on projects would be such a huge opportunity to miss simply because people got caught up on the small details and missed the big picture.

-John

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I always saw the Beagle Board project as a nice bridge builder for all these disparate ARM FOSS projects, and now it's inside an actual product! The glass is half full and the future looks bright, my man. There's a large silent minority that thinks you're part of an elite team of heroes. Ignore the drama and enjoy the journey.

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I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but there is no Beagle Board inside the Pandora. It's a completely separate design, the BB was not even a starting point.
The TouchBook, however, is based on the BB (and maybe that was what you were thinking of)

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To be clear the intent at the time of this posting, was to show the confidence level in the Pandora project. The first post in March of 2009, several months past the first expected delivery date. My money was refunded (less than I paid) and I was told to reorder and it would be out in June. Hahahahah

OK, so talk at that time was the n900 would be out about September 2009, giving the Pandora team, lots of time to beat the Nokia to market, or so Pandora team timelines would lead you to believe. The poll should have reflected that Pandora team would beat the Nokia to market, but it did not. Nor did it in real life, I think the post has served as a useful warning to people to be weary of such "pie in the sky" dreams.

Again you also need to remember when the initial preorder happened, it was at least a year before a new Nokia product would be coming out, which made it very attractive to members in this community

I made this post as I was very mad at the way the Pandora team handled the entire fiasco.

I myself am looking extremely forward to the Pandora console, but for people who thought that the console would ship in Dec 2008, March 2009, June 2009, September 2009, now hoping for before Christmas 2009. I would say Pandora project truly deserves any and all beatings they took in here, and even the tags.

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As much as I would like a Pandora as well. since I'm a hardcore retrogamer, anyone that thought that a group of random dudes would put out their hardware before Nokia needs a reality check.

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Yes, I was referring to the AI Touch Book as being an actual Beagle Board product. As far as the connection with the Beagle Board and Pandora, I thought they were both using a similar SoC and software. Didn't they both start with an Angstrom base on an OMAP3? If this is correct, my optimism thinks there would be friendly code sharing and cooperation. And that also would apply to the Nokia team that was using Beagle Boards during the Fremantle/n900 development. I thought everyone was getting along and that all the good OMAP changes were being folded back into the Linux kernel. Now, if we could just get Nokia to use an open source boot loader...

Sorry for any confusion.

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You all talking about gaming makes me wish the N900 had a d-pad even more :( We have the Pandora guts (and better driver & OS support), but not the controls.

Any feedback on how well the N900 keys work for some retro game action?

Speaking of retro gaming, I have not seen a Turborafx emu for Maemo. Did I miss it? I was hoping for a quick port, but that assumes there is an emu to port.

Need my Galaga 90, Blazing Lazers and Raiden :)

zerojay- you nailed it! Great intentions do not pave the way for timely product execution ;)

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Very good perception! You said that in one the first March posts!

Looking at the history of Pandora dev postings, their assertions it was releasing in March and other dates, while taking pre-paid orders before "it ships", it had all the signs of a scam.

It obviously is NOT a scam, but this shows you how much faith real gamers have in others. Pure magic :)

Still, Pandora has not come out yet and their new payment method does not provide a source for confidence..... I wonder if they are sticking N900's inside the Pandora case? ;) They must have a very understanding bank or investers to allow this much time to go by with no real product to support a revenue stream.

Pandora devs are the ultimate game fans, since this must be a pure labor of love :)

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@daperl:
They both use an OMAP3 SoC with similar qualities, and for that matter the N900 one is also similar (although of a different model b/c it's a phone). The Pandora has twice the amount of NAND flash compared to the BB though (and it used to have twice as much RAM too, but the latest revision of BB has changed that).

BB and Pandora both have Angstrom-based "default" system software, so yes, there is considerable possibilities for code sharing and common development. But it's better than that: With last year's Pandora development kit I built some software (simple SDL game stuff) that would run just fine on my N800 (OS2007). That is, the executable itself ran on everything (BB/Pandora/N800). Obviously later SDKs are more geared to OMAP3, and there will be OpenGL ES applications etc. that won't run on my OS2007-based N800 out of the box. The N900 should be an even better match at this point.

The Pandora is already using a wi-fi driver based on the open-source efforts of Nokia (it was originally based on a binary blob, which wasn't as good). And all these projects are forwarding changes/improvements to the kernel upstream and will probably help to improve each other.

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The Pandora team has an extremely good board designer, so there's no need for that :))

The investors are simply us: Those of us who pre-ordered. That was the idea all the time - the preorders pay for the production. The Pandora team does not have any bank loans, and there's no 3party company anywhere which can put pressure on design (read: No marketdroids can destroy the design).

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Meh, I got sick of waiting the insane time that it took for the Pandora to come to be built (and its still not done) since I originally preordered (well over a year ago), so I just took my money back. I put my faith in Nokia to finish first.

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@TA-t3

[thread hijack]
Thanks for all that good news and information. I'm not as bold as you and I'm very lazy, and that's why I write most of my stuff with pygtk. But it's good to hear that people like yourself are properly leveraging the power of shared libraries. For what I use it for, the n8x0 has proven to be an excellent platform and I won't be abandoning it. I plan on keeping it part of my test bed as long as I can. That said, and because of my recent needs, the time might be ripe for me to pay closer attention to Mer.
[/thread hijack]

Go Pandora! Go Nokia! Go Mer! Go TI! Go AI! Microsoft Die!

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Johnx: I don't get an us-and-them feeling from this thread.

Just for comparison, the N900 is shipping a month later than expected when pre-orders were opened to the public. Have you seen the insane posts in the long long threads yelling at Nokia about it? :rolleyes:

This thread is quiet and restrained in comparison. We all want Pandora to ship, and we're having a bit of fun about trying to guess who will get their product out the door first.

It has been a very long time since anyone has shipped anything. We're a bit impatient.

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Good point! If you extrapolate from a one month N900 delay and those same people with the one year delay for Pandora- ZOWEEEE! :eek:

This thread would be a dark hole sucking in time and space. Really.

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So, fanoush, do you have your N900 developer device yet?

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Yes :-) Got it week (or two?) ago. Same day as others in Europe. As for the bet we never finished (right?) - I would lose and you would win, congratulations :-) I still think I wouldn't mind losing.

Up to the last minute when DDP waked from 1 month sleep and started to send shipping confirmations it was really hard to know who will win. Both parties tried very hard to be as slow as possible and finally Nokia lost temper in this snail race :-) If you checked latest pandora news (pandorapress.net) they semi-seriously planned (i.e. confirmed like many times before) to ship before this christmas but failed (again :-) The final case is not finished yet, some final tuning still needed. But we see first final black pandoras and there is even one recent review in the blog from someone visiting Evildragon at home and testing the black one so it is really near this time :) Maybe "in two months(tm)" is really becoming "in one month (tm)"? Would I count as being optimist or pesimist when I say now than Pandora will ship before RX-71? ;)

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fanoush: If you wouldn't mind losing, there are many people (including me) who would be very grateful to you if you did some work on any of the tasks you mentioned:

My personal favorite is the N8x0 xv overlay rotation. That would be a great benefit...

EDIT: I don't own a 770 so your 770 work wouldn't be so interesting to me. But I bet some would be ecstatic...

By the way, you're right, it really seemed there was a "who can be the slowest" race between Pandora team and Nokia.

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Concerning Pandora, there's a fresh hands-on review:
http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php...ndora-preview/
In next two months it's going to be available :)