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Radu 2009-08-20 19:41
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Actually, I live in the US. Not sure where you live, but it must be a really cool place if theft is not an issue there.

nwerneck 2009-08-20 19:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Architengi (Post 313747)
That is because you might live somewhere in one of those Eastern European countries... :cool:
Instead of being afraid of your belongings left on the beach might get stolen :eek:, guys, get yourself some civilization, some good justice system...

There is nothing wrong with N900 device being a phone, if they stole your cheap phone on the beach with all your contacts, isn't that also bad? What I'm saying: here people would not stole the phone on the beach, if this happens in your country, don't try to strip this phone of some features... just fix your country!
That was not a very brilliant comment. Maybe we could just move to your friendly neighbourhood? Or maybe we can fix our countries shipping our robbers to yours?

I am for the “separate phone” design too. And the security issue is one of the reasons.

I have hope Nokia will release again another non-phone tablet some time in the future, maybe 2011... Until then I'll stick to the N800. Not only it's more fit to my wishes, but older devices are less prone to be stolen! ;)

Cruelkix 2009-08-20 20:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceL (Post 313682)
Also, as for the idea that it is a 'full screen' toggle. There is no SIDE-BAR-BASED-TASK-SWITCHER. So, there is no non-full screen view. That means no need for a full-screen toggle button.
:)

Bruce
I shouldn't have said full screen toggle. How about task manager toggle! That's what I should have said.

Texrat 2009-08-20 20:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sevla (Post 313726)
No where in my (2nd) post did I use words like "automatically" or "worse". I stated facts like "People using left hand are forced to use right humb". And I made "observations" of peoples reaction to the keyboard. None of which is my "opinion". But ok.
I feel secure in saying my words with which you take issue were a fair interpretation of your posts on the subject. You did take an extreme contrary stance, and yes, what I took issue with was your opinion. Besides, those observations are still largely speculative at this point [here Qgil takes me to task for giving someone else grief over speculation :p]

Anyway, looks like you were up to the internet opinion war challenge! Semantics at 20 paces! Fire!

danramos 2009-08-20 20:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 313769)
Anyway, looks like you were up to the internet opinion war challenge! Semantics at 20 paces! Fire!
Are you sure that's not just an opinion? ;)

ARJWright 2009-08-20 20:36
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Eh, folks having international issues, please take it somewhere else other than this thread please.
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Folks having issues with a Maemo 5 device sporting cellular connectivity *options,* get over it; this was known for a long time and nothing about a pre-production device's review will change what has already been debated here ad nauseum.

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Folks not loving the keyboard, but have never had more than 2sec using the N97, you will be surprised. Allow youself the blessing of not having expectations that are off, and just wait until you get the device to center things appropriately for you.

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All this fuss about a device that's not even official yet. I wonder if folks will feel the same after they are told by Nokia that this is the face of what Nokia wants to do with computing (open source, community involvement, technology paradigm shifting, service oriented features and devices, and occasional rewards).

Then again, it might erupt into... well, this.

Texrat 2009-08-20 20:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 313770)
Are you sure that's not just an opinion? ;)
no, I'm not. :p

Texrat 2009-08-20 20:44
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Thanks for the sobriety injection ARJ!

anderbr 2009-08-20 20:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nwerneck (Post 313758)
I am for the “separate phone” design too.
Me too. I hope we have the option at some point for a no phone version. Like blackberry and no-cam versions.

I should wait until a formal announcement to complain, but I find myself much less excited about the n900 than I wanted to be, and was from 770->800->810.

Gone are:
Big-ish screen
$400-ish price
freedom from carrier/contract ( yeah, unlocked blah-blah )
computer friendly keyboard in favor of phone friendly one
dpad, etc.
Not to mention new generic slider-phone styling.


It's becoming more of a paris-hilton chick phone than mobile computer/internet tablet. Which is OK I guess since Nokia sells phones, but not the direction I hoped for or that got me excited about maemo to begin with.

I do like to new horsepower.
Here's to hoping for more variants soon.. maybe nokia can beat apple back to the 4.5 - 5'' tablet.

zerojay 2009-08-20 20:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by anderbr (Post 313782)
It's becoming more of a paris-hilton chick phone than mobile computer/internet tablet.
Yes, I can hear Paris talking about being excited for Harmattan now. :)

EDIT: With as popular as the RX-51 seems to be getting, I'm not even sure if I'm being sarcastic anymore.

sevla 2009-08-20 20:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 313769)
I feel secure in saying my words with which you take issue were a fair interpretation of your posts on the subject. You did take an extreme contrary stance, and yes, what I took issue with was your opinion. Besides, those observations are still largely speculative at this point [here Qgil takes me to task for giving someone else grief over speculation :p]

Anyway, looks like you were up to the internet opinion war challenge! Semantics at 20 paces! Fire!
I digress. Agree to disagree :).

Is this the part where we go to the White House for a beer? LOL

dansus 2009-08-20 20:56
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I visited the Nokia store today with a view to buying the N810, its been about 12 months since my first one broke and its a fantastic looking device. I had forgotten just how good it looks, the ergonomics just work and it feels great in the hand.

The thing that hit me was how small it feels for a 4.1" device and i just couldnt get my head round how it would be usable if the screen was any smaller. Now im struggling to see how the 3.5" on the N900 is going work to work as a web tablet, but hoped to be proved wrong.

Of course the cpu on the N810 is mediocre at best and all the reasons i didnt replace my device back then came flooding back. I then showed the store staff Eldars preview and everyone, men and women were crowded round the laptop with approving noises abound.
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ARJWright 2009-08-20 20:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dansus (Post 313785)
I visited the Nokia store today with a view to buying the N810, its been about 12 months since my first one broke and its a fantastic looking device.

I had forgotten just how good it looks, the ergonomics just work and it feels great in the hand. The thing that hit me was how small it feels for a 4.1" device and i just couldnt get my head round how it would be usable if the screen was any smaller.

Now im struggling to see how the 3.5" on the N900 is going work to work as a web tablet, but hoped to be proved wrong.

Of course the cpu on the N810 is mediocre at best and all the reasons i didnt replace my device back then came flooding back. I then showed the store staff Eldars preview and everyone, men and women were crowded round the laptop with approving noises abound.
Did you happen to put your hands on the N97 while you were there?
Compare it size, keyboard, and usable screen real estate to the N810?

Please say you did, that will level out a ton of the noise in this specific thread.

danramos 2009-08-20 20:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ARJWright (Post 313777)
Folks having issues with a Maemo 5 device sporting cellular connectivity *options,* get over it; this was known for a long time and nothing about a pre-production device's review will change what has already been debated here ad nauseum.
It's become OPTIONAL now? No price to pay for the cellular portion? :) I take issue with the way you posed that whole dismissive.

ARJWright 2009-08-20 21:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 313787)
It's become OPTIONAL now? No price to pay for the cellular portion? :) I take issue with the way you posed that whole dismissive.
There's a smirk in my mouth somewhere...

You don't want to use the cellular access, don't use it; you don't get the option of not having it in *this* device.

If you can make a convincing enough case for Nokia that there are enough people near-enough to the target audiences of this Maemo 5 device that a non-SIM version would be helpful, I'm pretty sure that they would not only listen, but due to some really interesting positioning as a flexible company on the supply chain, logistics, and regional side of things, be able to move.

I'd say though, look for a timeline similar to the N95 and N95 8GB though if you are pitching that.

Otherwise, find my smirk in there somewhere :rolleyes:

zerojay 2009-08-20 21:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sevla (Post 313784)
I digress. Agree to disagree :).

Is this the part where we go to the White House for a beer? LOL
Isn't that why it's called "Maemo Summit"? ;)

sachin007 2009-08-20 21:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by anderbr (Post 313782)
Me too. I hope we have the option at some point for a no phone version. Like blackberry and no-cam versions.

I should wait until a formal announcement to complain, but I find myself much less excited about the n900 than I wanted to be, and was from 770->800->810.

Gone are:
Big-ish screen
$400-ish price
freedom from carrier/contract ( yeah, unlocked blah-blah )
computer friendly keyboard in favor of phone friendly one
dpad, etc.
Not to mention new generic slider-phone styling.


It's becoming more of a paris-hilton chick phone than mobile computer/internet tablet. Which is OK I guess since Nokia sells phones, but not the direction I hoped for or that got me excited about maemo to begin with.

I do like to new horsepower.
Here's to hoping for more variants soon.. maybe nokia can beat apple back to the 4.5 - 5'' tablet.
For all of you who want a 5" phoneless tablet..... there is no point asking nokia for it. Its better we go ask apple to release it first to the market and after 3 years of being a big hit, nokia will say me too!

I am really frustrated with nokia's lack of advertising. The same thing happened to touch screens when nokia came out with the 7710. It was a wonderful widescreen touch screen and there was nil advertising. Now ask anyone who came out with touch screens first?... the answer will be iphone for most of the users. If the same thing happens to tablets... no one can help nokia!

sachin007 2009-08-20 21:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ARJWright (Post 313788)
There's a smirk in my mouth somewhere...

You don't want to use the cellular access, don't use it; you don't get the option of not having it in *this* device.

If you can make a convincing enough case for Nokia that there are enough people near-enough to the target audiences of this Maemo 5 device that a non-SIM version would be helpful, I'm pretty sure that they would not only listen, but due to some really interesting positioning as a flexible company on the supply chain, logistics, and regional side of things, be able to move.

I'd say though, look for a timeline similar to the N95 and N95 8GB though if you are pitching that.

Otherwise, find my smirk in there somewhere :rolleyes:
How else could you explain the popularity of the ipod touch?

dansus 2009-08-20 21:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ARJWright (Post 313786)
Did you happen to put your hands on the N97 while you were there?
Compare it size, keyboard, and usable screen real estate to the N810?

Please say you did, that will level out a ton of the noise in this specific thread.
I did. Infact i played with just about every device in the store and i have to say my favourite keyboard of the lot was the E63, i liked it so much, i bought one. £170, bargain and i own a E71. lol

This is the first chance ive had to really play with the N97, omg, what a horrendous device, what was Nokia thinking when they made this this thing. I was just left laughing in the store at the stupidness of the screen angle required and get full access to the keys.The screen is tiny, the keys are tiny and useless, makes me feel sad for Nokia, such a disappointment.

The N810 keyboard as a whole was miles better to use but the keys felt a little flat and lacking in definition, requiring a very positive press to activate, but then this was a demo model which had been hammered.

I left feeling if the keys were of similar size to the N810 and defined like the E71/63 then it would be a fantastic keyboard, which indecently, is exactly what the N900 keys looks like.
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Texrat 2009-08-20 21:19
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I still think the RX-51 screen size is too small for a tablet... but I like it for a phone.

anderbr 2009-08-20 21:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zerojay (Post 313783)
Yes, I can hear Paris talking about being excited for Harmattan now. :)

EDIT: With as popular as the RX-51 seems to be getting, I'm not even sure if I'm being sarcastic anymore.
Ok, so that was a bit over the top, but all I'm saying is that this brave new multi-step, multi-year paradigm shifting experiment has gotten us .. another commodity slider/cam phone.

And a kick-A mobile OS, but will it/can it shine in this hardware?

And I'm still miffed about the prospect of having to pay ~$300 extra for a phone I don't need or want to play with fremantle. Unless I get a carrier contract I don't need or want.

N900p - with cell radio
N900t - no radio. How hard is that?

danramos 2009-08-20 21:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ARJWright (Post 313788)
There's a smirk in my mouth somewhere...

You don't want to use the cellular access, don't use it; you don't get the option of not having it in *this* device.
There's a smirk IN your mouth as cellular is OPTIONAL on this new device. :) Need to clear up the semantics to make a proper and convincing argument. Not using it still means I have to pay for it. Pointing me toward the iPod Touch isn't really helping Nokia's bottom line either. I'm just disappointed that they've had an Internet Tablet lineage without the need for expensive and unnecessary wireless technology.. just to spoil it with something I don't want to have to pay for. More importantly, and I will say it again, it could as easily have been a little module--just open the rear panel and plug it in. Simple. Affordable. Future upgrade. And a blissfully simple way to design ONE device to suit both crowds.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ARJWright (Post 313788)
You don't want to use the cellular access, don't use it; you don't get the option of not having it in *this* device.
So why are you arguing so much about this being optional? Clearly, it's not optional.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ARJWright (Post 313788)
If you can make a convincing enough case for Nokia that there are enough people near-enough to the target audiences of this Maemo 5 device that a non-SIM version would be helpful, I'm pretty sure that they would not only listen, but due to some really interesting positioning as a flexible company on the supply chain, logistics, and regional side of things, be able to move.
As pointed out elsewhere, if you had the million dollar answer.. do you think Nokia would listen? I'm not sure they care to listen to customers and engineers about what would suit the largest number of customers while also maintaining cheaper costs (MODULAR RADIO!).

dansus 2009-08-20 21:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by anderbr (Post 313800)

N900p - with cell radio
N900t - no radio. How hard is that?
How about;

RX-51 3.5" with modem
RX-71 5.0" without modem

lol, keep dreaming. :p

danramos 2009-08-20 21:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dansus (Post 313805)
How about;

RX-51 3.5" with modem
RX-71 5.0" without modem

lol, keep dreaming. :p
I'm not sure that you made yourself clear.

sachin007 2009-08-20 21:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dansus (Post 313805)
How about;

RX-51 3.5" with modem
RX-71 5.0" without modem

lol, keep dreaming. :p
And the Rx-56 5" without keyboard!

dansus 2009-08-20 21:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 313809)
And the Rx-56 5" without keyboard!
What do i get for the RX-69 ?? :D

This is madness, according to an ex-Nokia employee's twitter, there's going to be all sorts of good things announced in September....

benny1967 2009-08-20 22:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dansus (Post 313805)
RX-51 3.5" with modem
RX-71 5.0" without modem
Actually this was my last hope. (Only I could live with the larger variant to have the full phone functionality, too. It's not all that bad to be able to put the SIM card in if you want to.)

The N8x0-screen was close to perfect, just a little bit too small. 5" might be it.

OTOH: The whole Fremantle UI is designed around the idea of small screens and restricted use cases. It's made for a phone with twitter and text messaging, not for a portable computer with Abiword, Xchat and Gnumeric. So what use would it be to have a perfect 5", full keyboard, d-pad included,...-hardware running Maemo5?

Imagine those large "menus" on a 5" display. Wouldn't that look strange? And wouldn't you want to use this 5"-device for things that require more complex user interfaces?

EIPI 2009-08-20 22:04
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@danramos .... have you seen the thread on co-creation? Nokia is willing to listen to us. Perhaps you can constructively provide your input, and perhaps we'll all be the richer for it!

danramos 2009-08-20 22:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EIPI (Post 313816)
@danramos .... have you seen the thread on co-creation? Nokia is willing to listen to us. Perhaps you can constructively provide your input, and perhaps we'll all be the richer for it!
I did not see this before! Thanks for pointing it out to me!

sachin007 2009-08-20 22:10
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Considering that the RX-51 is the LEAD device for meamo 5, it is safe to assume that there will be many other devices in the future ..... but when and in what varieties is the million dollar question. I wish they do it early, specially since hardware is never a problem with nokia.

attila77 2009-08-20 22:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dansus (Post 313812)
What do i get for the RX-69 ?? :D

This is madness, according to an ex-Nokia employee's twitter, there's going to be all sorts of good things announced in September....
Why madness ? Now that the cat is out of the bag (Maemo doing cellular voice) it would be actually helpful to uncover at least a ROUGH road map for the family (so those that think the N900 is not their cup of tea would not jump ship). It would be kind of silly to loose people to, say, the Archos 5" Android tablet (or the likely next-gen iPod Touch) that comes two weeks after the N900 when you have something similar in the pipeline.

dansus 2009-08-20 22:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 313827)
Why madness ? ........
Madness, because the anticipation is killing me and my poor little ticker cant take much more.

pataphysician 2009-08-20 22:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 313827)
Why madness ? Now that the cat is out of the bag (Maemo doing cellular voice) it would be actually helpful to uncover at least a ROUGH road map for the family (so those that think the N900 is not their cup of tea would not jump ship). It would be kind of silly to loose people to, say, the Archos 5" Android tablet (or the likely next-gen iPod Touch) that comes two weeks after the N900 when you have something similar in the pipeline.
Well Nokia World is like 17 days away, which is where they will probably make the announcements of their plans. I'm pretty sure they won't lose their whole market share by waiting 17 or so days. ;)

sachin007 2009-08-20 22:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pataphysician (Post 313829)
Well Nokia World is like 17 days away, which is where they will probably make the announcements of their plans. I'm pretty sure they won't lose their whole market share by waiting 17 or so days. ;)
17 days? Whats the date in your part of the world? :D

It is on september 2nd which is 13 days from now ....

pataphysician 2009-08-20 23:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 313830)
17 days? Whats the date in your part of the world? :D

It is on september 2nd which is 13 days from now ....
sorry for some reason the 6th stuck in my mind, which is when my inlaws are coming in to town, probably just trying to substitute that with happier thoughts.

sachin007 2009-08-20 23:36
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What are those 4 bars on the right lower corner ...

danramos 2009-08-20 23:44
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Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 313836)
What are those 4 bars on the right lower corner ...
One bar for each Commodore SID channel playing chip music during menus? :)

daperl 2009-08-20 23:49
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Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 313836)
What are those 4 bars on the right lower corner ...
audio spectrum visualizer?

Clockwork 2009-08-20 23:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daperl (Post 313839)
audio spectrum visualizer?
Too small. That sort of thing is eye candy, and they would make it bigger.

jethro.itt 2009-08-20 23:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 313838)
One bar for each Commodore SID channel playing chip music during menus? :)
MOS Technology SID (MOS 6581/8580) has three channels. (Yes, totally off topic.)


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