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Kxer 2010-01-27 13:21

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jsomby (Post 497113)
Check this first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kkS2...eature=related Its about QT 4.6 :)

And second, it was already known that next version is coming out in first half of 2010, but for resale in later 2010, maybe 2011 Q1.

I wonder why it says N00 as the model number.

zehjotkah 2010-01-27 13:28

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kxer (Post 497405)
I wonder why it says N00 as the model number.

all N900 prototypes had N00 as model number...

tissot 2010-01-27 13:40

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Judging from this we might actually get Maemo 6 to N900
Quote:

"Nokia has a policy on the (former) Internet Tablets to offer an upgrade to the following version of the OS, which has been the case on every device since the original 770 was released (back when it was OS 2007, 2008 etc).

We were told at Nokia World (last September) that this would continue on the N900 and its successors. It seems likely that the next two models (one which is going to be a netbook design) will have Maemo 6, upgradeable to 7. At this point, the N900 would be on 6 and theoretically have no further support.

Having said that, Nokia has usually continued support for longer than you'd expect. I suppose with Apple and Google/Android now offering free upgrades on an ongoing basis, Nokia will find it harder to simply say something is end of life as quickly as they have done before.

I hope this helps!

Regards,

Jonathan Morris
Editor, What Mobile magazine & online"
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=237


I did know that Maemo 6 and Maemo 5 where in the making parallel and Maemo 6 will be going full Qt like Nokia's whole smartphone portfolio including Symbian^4. Main focus on Maemo 5 will not last even fragtion the time that Qt loving Maemo 6 will that's for sure. So can't say i'm mad to Nokia or anything because i already knew what might happen.
I buy new phone pretty much every 6 months so maybe i shouldn't even be talking here ;)


But hey there's possibility that Maemo 6 really is coming to N900 even if it costs something your device still have more life in it. Looking at the old tablets support with the fraction of the sales that Maemo 5 will probally get i'm sure this community will deliver. So many things yet we don't know so we will see. Plus maemo 5 already got more apps in not long future than the WebOS.

GeneralAntilles 2010-01-27 13:45

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 497417)
all N900 prototypes had N00 as model number...

Not actually. ;)

zehjotkah 2010-01-27 13:48

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 497441)
Not actually. ;)

okay... nearly all :D

schettj 2010-01-27 14:26

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 497104)
I have read an interesting annoucement of Nokia from one of the blog

Please post the URL for this blog.

You need to relax and just enjoy your device :D It's a phone for heaven's sake - it's obsolete the day it's announced.

pycage 2010-01-27 14:33

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by schettj (Post 497506)
it's obsolete the day it's announced.

Quite literally yes. They announced it as step 4 of 5.

jsa 2010-01-27 14:50

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by schettj (Post 497506)
Please post the URL for this blog.

http://www.nokia.com/press/press-rel...newsid=1358666

The relevant part being a bullet point in Devices & Services operational priorities: "Deliver our first Maemo 6-powered mobile computer, with an iconic user experience, in the second half of 2010"

I might add that "second half" in corporate speak usually means "end of the year" and with the massive undertaking of writing the user facing applications from scratch in Qt/WRT along with other changes to the platform I wouldn't be surprised if the schedule slipped a bit.

For those interested, Nokia capital markets day presentations and software strategy:

http://cmd.nokia.com/phoenix.zhtml?c..._presentations

mahousaru 2010-01-27 14:54

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 497343)
I wouldn't call making an OS suitable for capacitive screens only "broad minded"... it's actually very narrow minded.

I was just pointing out how the OP's post isn't narrow minded as they _might_ support specific hardware only. I also said I hope that it doesn't happen!

NvyUs 2010-01-27 14:56

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
as long as there is a user base and community around the n900 it will not be history for a couple years.
as for maemo 6 it will have a longer life and will powering many more devices so most probably will get more support and even OS upgrades.
I'll even pay for new OS

x61 2010-01-27 14:59

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jsomby (Post 497113)
Check this first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kkS2...eature=related Its about QT 4.6 :)

And second, it was already known that next version is coming out in first half of 2010, but for resale in later 2010, maybe 2011 Q1.

The video show "N00" not N900 phone...

penguinbait 2010-01-27 15:08

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I really hope that means that the n900 is like the n800 and the n910 will have a keyboard.

This thread sure reminds me of the n800 when the n810 was coming out. Although the devices are compatible and Nokia gave all the n800 users a CPU bump with firmware upgrade.

Will the n910 bring a faster clock speed on the n900? My guess is NO, for the next maemo device to have the same CPU specs as the n900 would put if behind before it was even announced. Phones are breaking the 1Ghz barrier these days.

Either way I have seen several places comment that 2010 will be the year of the smartphone, and there are going to be some pretty cool things out by the end of 2010. I wonder what we will be talking about in December.......

Laughingstok 2010-01-27 15:16

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So make it a glorious 6 months then.

Make love to it, take pictures of it, make some "private films" for your enjoyment, then kick it to the curb when the next model comes around. :D

zehjotkah 2010-01-27 15:23

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@ Laughingstok
it's funny to check out the views on your imageshack album...
:D

bonerp 2010-01-27 15:23

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Nokia are pretty good at supporting their phones long term. Look at the Ovi store and still releases for older phones on Symbian. If Nokia forget about the n900 it will loose customers which in its situation (of missing the boat a few times of late), it won't forget about its loyal supporters. The majority of us on here a pleased with the N900 so we 'sell' it to friends and colleagues. Thats a better receommendation than any shop or review will provide.
I know Nokia have sold about 10 N900s just directly off the back of me. How many indirect sales I don't know.
maemo is new (to most). Ignoring its 5 custom base would be suicide.
Enjoy the n900. Lets face it who will keep it for much more than 12 months anyway before you want the latest bit of kit??

WilliePre 2010-01-27 15:39

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 497229)
who cares? I have a great device

Yes, a great device. And.....it is/was known that Maemo 5 is/was and interim step. There will be (I hope) many more releases of Maemo Vnn, in the future.:D

My only compaint, is that the N900 consumes too much time;). Because there no excuse any more not to check your mail, keep up to date with the blogs, stay abreast with what happing on the maemo talk forum etc. Because its right here in your pocket and not sitting out there somewhere on your desk. The N900 allows you to be "hyper connected" !:D:eek:

Laughingstok 2010-01-27 15:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliePre (Post 497626)
Yes, a great device. And.....it is/was known that Maemo 5 is/was and interim step. There will be (I hope) many more releases of Maemo Vnn, in the future.:D

My only compaint, is that the N900 consumes too much time;). Because there no excuse any more not to check your mail, keep up to date with the blogs, stay abreast with what happing on the maemo talk forum etc. Because its right here in your pocket and not sitting out there somewhere on your desk. The N900 allows you to be "hyper connected" !:D:eek:

Yep. Which is why I don't blog, facebook, twitter, or any of that stuff. Otherwise I'd go crazy.
Strangely though, I get a strange enjoyment out of going offroading/camping out in the middle of nowhere and still being able to poke around on a forum occasionally. :D

Texrat 2010-01-27 15:46

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Too much drama, too little attention paid to details.

attila77 2010-01-27 15:54

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 497572)
Will the n910 bring a faster clock speed on the n900? My guess is NO, for the next maemo device to have the same CPU specs as the n900 would put if behind before it was even announced. Phones are breaking the 1Ghz barrier these days.

The question is if it actually IS the same CPU like in the case of the N800/N810 was (I don't really think it's the case, if I had to bet on the CPU I'd say it's going to be an OMAP3630 - the timeframe is right for a 45nm CPU and the top 1GHz dog has serious juice/heat implications)

HangLoose 2010-01-27 16:07

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
I am not expecting nokia to make M6 compatible with N900. And frankly, I could not care less...

I do care about the long-term vision on how maemo is going to be delivered. The excuse that future devices,M6 for example, cant be upgraded because of this or that does not enter my mind anymore.

If they manage to scare developers one more time, and they are succedding if you see the backlash of the high-profile people here, then I do not see much futurre for Nokia besides going back to selling rubber boots.

HangLoose 2010-01-27 16:10

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 497639)
Too much drama, too little attention paid to details.

could you point out some of the ddetails you have in mind?

gohan2091 2010-01-27 16:13

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 497656)
The question is if it actually IS the same CPU like in the case of the N800/N810 was (I don't really think it's the case, if I had to bet on the CPU I'd say it's going to be an OMAP3630 - the timeframe is right for a 45nm CPU and the top 1GHz dog has serious juice/heat implications)

Would a 1GHz CPU enable a smartphone to run HD videos smoothly?

attila77 2010-01-27 16:32

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gohan2091 (Post 497684)
Would a 1GHz CPU enable a smartphone to run HD videos smoothly?

a) Video playback is done on dedicated video hardware, not the CPU core. Even the 720MHz OMAP3 CPU is capable of HD decoding. On the other hand, even a 1GHz CPU is unable to do proper HD without hardware assistance.

b) It's unclear what video out will the Maemo 6 device have. If it's the same as the N900, HD is pointless as both the screen and video out can only go 480p.

romanianusa 2010-01-27 16:35

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Yes...we are the guinea pigs of Maemo. Rejoy and wag your tails.

x61 2010-01-27 16:38

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
This reminds me of when I rash to purchase the N97 off ebay for $350 thinking it was a great deal and that it was the "top of the line" smart phone Nokia was able to produce. Only to find out 15 mins after paying that the device was the Chinese edition. So I emailed the guy to cancel the order. He initially refused to cancel it because he claimed he "had already shipped the item". Mind you, there was nothing on the page that indicated that the phone was a chinese version. So, I told him if he does not cancel the order, I am calling my credit card to dispute the charge. Then he said, "alright, I will cancel it but I have to charge your 15% restocking fee." I told him "over my dead body"... then he said "Ok, but you have to pay the $15+ ebay fees." I said "Nay, I am going to email ebay to explain the problem and if worst comes to worst you'd have to eat that money because you did not mention anywhere on the listening that the device was a chinese version"... Well, I got my money back. FULL refund.

Anyway, I thought to myself, I would probably wait for another year or so, stick around with my N95, to get a good device. 5 weeks later, I heard of the N900. Read the features, and said to myself... "after all, I don't have to wait that long." I was glad I did not buy the N97 but Nokia should give people a chance to show off their new device before they push a superior one in...

Texrat 2010-01-27 16:38

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HangLoose (Post 497678)
could you point out some of the ddetails you have in mind?

Others already responded with them near the beginning.

theflew 2010-01-27 18:09

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Personally I would be surprised Maemo 6 wouldn't be on the N900. Given they are porting Qt4.6 to it and will be available Q1 (in beta now). Maemo 6 depends on Qt4.6 and 4.6 has been shown running quite well on the N900. Right now the only things we know the N900 doesn't have that Maemo 6 "will support" is capactive screens with multi-touch and DRM. And I don't even know if the N900 is incapable of supporting DRM or just not support yet. This is a very different situation than the N8X0 to the N900.

As far as processor speed I don't know, but that's more of a function of battery technology than availability of faster processors.

pycage 2010-01-27 18:16

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N900 will be history in 6 months and we were all part of this history-making device. Isn't this just awesome? :)

hectorh82 2010-01-27 18:22

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
as many techies know, if the hardware can support the new os you can upgrade... so if the new n000 is the same as the n900 the we will get it.

salawat 2010-01-27 18:25

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 
i dont really care if n900 gets maemo 6 or not, of course it would be nice but not a big problem for me, a big problem for me is whether apps/games will still be produced for the n900 when maemo 6 comes out, if apps stop getting produced for maemo 5 and n900 i think i should sell my n900 before its too late

attila77 2010-01-27 18:28

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by theflew (Post 497865)
Personally I would be surprised Maemo 6 wouldn't be on the N900. Given they are porting Qt4.6 to it and will be available Q1 (in beta now). Maemo 6 depends on Qt4.6 and 4.6 has been shown running quite well on the N900.

Actually, having a fully functional (and hildonized) Qt 4.6 is an argument toward NOT having Maemo 6 on the N900. Why would you invest the effort to do a Maemo 5 port if you're going to shove Maemo 6 in there after just a few months ?

craftyguy 2010-01-27 18:33

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maluka (Post 497151)
When buying any electronics you should buy what is the best for you NOW and enjoy it. Prices go down and new models come up all the time. If you are always gonna wait for the next version, you could be waiting for ever!

Typically products aren't replaced/outdated by the manufacturer within 6mo (see iPhones, etc). If this is indeed true, then this N900 in my hands right now will be my first and last Nokia phone. Who wants to own a device that the manufacturer would drop support for within a few months of launching??

theflew 2010-01-27 18:40

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 497891)
Actually, having a fully functional (and hildonized) Qt 4.6 is an argument toward NOT having Maemo 6 on the N900. Why would you invest the effort to do a Maemo 5 port if you're going to shove Maemo 6 in there after just a few months ?

Because who could ask for a better test bed? Also you would have only one OS out there, instead of Qt and GTK+ based ones. Also explains why Maemo 5 is getting more plumbing fixes instead of UI enhancements. Plumbing is portable between Maemo 5 and 6.

hectorh82 2010-01-27 19:08

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
if you read the news.. nokia is leaning towards keeping support for the n900 due to the n97 bombing in the market.. consideringt the n900 was a oops product (was not supposed to be this amazing). sooo with that said i believe that any update verision will come to us

Texrat 2010-01-27 19:11

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hectorh82 (Post 497967)
if you read the news.. nokia is leaning towards keeping support for the n900 due to the n97 bombing in the market..

Almost like "toss them both out and see what sticks", eh? ;)

NvyUs 2010-01-27 19:22

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 497713)
a) Video playback is done on dedicated video hardware, not the CPU core. Even the 720MHz OMAP3 CPU is capable of HD decoding. On the other hand, even a 1GHz CPU is unable to do proper HD without hardware assistance.

b) It's unclear what video out will the Maemo 6 device have. If it's the same as the N900, HD is pointless as both the screen and video out can only go 480p.

considering maemo 6 will be for high end flag ships i expect it to have HDMI out and HD recording b/c apparently that will be introduced in symbian^3 which apparently will be priced below maemo 6 on nokia's range.

Ahmed360 2010-01-27 19:49

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omg qt4.6 lookss aweeeeeeesoooooome

jorjino 2010-01-27 20:24

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
If Nokia release Maemo 6 version for N900 I am willing to get it, even it is payed.
As Apple and Google are software copanies and Nokia is at this days hardware company for me it make sense nokia to start upgrading OS of his last devices. Because the market demands it. If not - Nokia will lost his market share very quick.

So I think that we will receive Maemo 6 when it is done.

Regards.

mikec 2010-01-27 20:34

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
I'm so impressed with Maemo 5 that Maemo 6 will have to be seriously kick *** to make me upgrade.

Just think when Maemo 6 comes out you have a shiny flashy UI but no apps. Your Memo 5 device will have a fully stocked app store, serious polish and reliability, and they would have fixed that niggly thing that you have a gripe with (drop your own personal beef in here).

And I will be able to pick up N900s at 150 quid a pop on ebay because you schmucks have all gone to the next great thing.:D

Why would I upgrade?

nightfire 2010-01-27 20:37

Re: N900 will be history in 6months!
 
Considering Maemo is just Linux with X11, a fancy GUI, and a bunch of proprietary apps, porting Maemo 6 to the n900 should be very straightforward. Just copying over the userspace from an n910 (or whatever) should resolve 95% of it. The only differences should be things like kernel support for the video driver (if any), maybe an extra (or different) radio, and a few others odds and ends.

Assuming there are no major roadblocks like binary-only modules that won't link against a kernel that'll run on the n900, I could probably port the OS over in a weekend.


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