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skalogre 2010-02-05 19:01
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
This has devolved to another thread with new posters *****ing about the N900 not matching their expectations. Come on people, enough is enough. If some feature was not on the specifications and no one officially announced it will be available don't buy a device thinking it will subsequently magically appear.

Now, for the ones testing out the Sygic solution, how good is the search feature? Does it support OTA updates or even server-side content search for POI?

kolos 2010-02-05 20:04
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by skalogre (Post 512242)
This has devolved to another thread with new posters *****ing about the N900 not matching their expectations. Come on people, enough is enough. If some feature was not on the specifications and no one officially announced it will be available don't buy a device thinking it will subsequently magically appear.
N900 is the best phone what Nokia have now. I bought it because I know that is superb phone and it's going to evolve. But common people don't want to wait if something is going to happen or not, they rather going to buy worse alternative with better package for daily use. Approach based on hope is definitely not the way how to make a business.
Nokia obviously doesn't follow expectations of buyers and again losing ground (deja vu N97).

Here is people's voice.

skalogre 2010-02-05 20:15
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kolos (Post 512310)
N900 is the best phone what Nokia have now. I bought it because I know that is superb phone and it's going to evolve. But common people don't want to wait if something is going to happen or not, they rather going to buy worse alternative with better package for daily use. Approach based on hope is definitely not the way how to make a business.
Nokia obviously doesn't follow expectation of buyers and again losing ground (deja vu N97).
Not to get in to the fray again but the N900 is NOT Nokia's best phone. The high-end S60 based devices are much better smartphones than the N900 and a cursory glance at the specifications and feature sets will show that quite clearly.

As for that Engadget post, well, funny that even though that site was crying that Symbian is dead, its marketshare INCREASED the last quarter. People's voice, eh? What US-based blogs report is not necessarily the reality of the situation.

In any event, I won't derail this thread by having this argument, it is pointless.

Back to my question: how good is the search feature? Does it support OTA updates or even server-side content search for POI?

kolos 2010-02-05 20:44
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by skalogre (Post 512320)
The high-end S60 based devices are much better smartphones than the N900 and a cursory glance at the specifications and feature sets will show that quite clearly.
I don't share the same opinion about hardware specifications, but do about present features.


Quote:
Originally Posted by skalogre (Post 512320)
Back to my question: how good is the search feature? Does it support OTA updates or even server-side content search for POI?
Maybe you would find some answers on YouTube's reviews like this one.

skalogre 2010-02-05 20:54
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kolos (Post 512353)
I don't share the same opinion about hardware specifications, but do about present features.




Maybe you would find some answers on YouTube's reviews like this one.
That is the iPhone version of Sygic. Does not help when trying to find out about the N900 version, which is why I asked this here as some here on the forum have been using the prerelease version.

russo_br 2010-02-05 21:12
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by polarnicka (Post 512062)
Now it's in NOKIA hands only.
Katarina, could you confirm the date Sygic submitted the GA version to Nokia?

As you said it is in their hands now, and there were rumors that Sygic had submitted the SW at 14th Jan but then found last minute bugs to correct.

nightfire 2010-02-06 05:53
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
I tried to use Ovi Maps the other night while driving... little rough to say the least.

Come on Sygic & Nokia.... money's burning a hole in my pocket! :D

phortize 2010-02-06 08:10
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
there are so much variable if one likes to predict when and how we'll get a better navigation...
ovi store payment problems, possible agreement with the telcos to solve this problem, need of promoting symbian, maemo 6 as milestone, launch of ovi maps 3, previous sygic agreement, navteq-teleatlas, sygic last minute bugs, nokia silence, hype factor...

i give up. i sit here on the river side and wait...

vonbraun66 2010-02-06 12:26
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by polarnicka (Post 510585)
Dear Ima,

I would like to introduce myself. My name is Katarina and I work s Technical Support at Sygic company.To your question: I have great news! Sygic will sell individual packages of groups of countries, but also package of whole Europe and package of all US countries.

So you don't need to buy two packages, but all in one.

For more information, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Katarina ;)
Hey,

I just noticed today that on the webshop of Sygic you can actually choose 'Europe' or 'US'. Up until yesterday you could only choose individual (groups of) countries, or US West or East.

This seems to confirm what Katarina said.

Still with the 'Coming soon'-label, so no purchasing yet unfortunately.

russo_br 2010-02-06 17:16
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
At least third companies like Sygic are paying some attention to the customer request on this forum, since Nokia doesn't seem to be listening complains, from this forum and also discussions.nokia.com...

alex-000 2010-02-06 18:22
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Nokia says something about it? No words on Twitter or Facebook social forum????

danramos 2010-02-07 05:36
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 511413)
Sygic should cost for maemo exactly the same as for android or winmob, symbian...

that is at the moment:

europe:
79.99 EUR

US, canada and mexico:
62.99 EUR

australia and new zealand:
59.99 EUR

and so on...
I don't know anything, mind you--I'm just doing a thought experiment... But what if something about the Ovi store is making it cost more? (ie: Nokia wants a big cut--so to still get their price, they have to increase the end-user cost to cover what Nokia is taking out?) Would it still seem fair to you?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bockersjv (Post 511567)
I am somewhat worried that this app will ever see the light of day in the OVI store. The Angry Birds paid for add on is still not there after they found fault with the payment mechanism, that was weeks ago. I have not seen any paid for apps since and suspect that this is what will hold up the launch of Sygic. Therefore I fear it could be months away unless Sygic offer it direct :(
Oh get over yourself. You KNOW you wanted the Ovi store. Nokia says you do!

Quote:
Originally Posted by russo_br (Post 513292)
At least third companies like Sygic are paying some attention to the customer request on this forum, since Nokia doesn't seem to be listening complains, from this forum and also discussions.nokia.com...
Does that just make you want to buy MORE of their products and spread the word about their brand? I'm talking, of course, about Sygic.. not Nokia. I'm sure you understood.

zehjotkah 2010-02-07 08:49
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 513978)
I don't know anything, mind you--I'm just doing a thought experiment... But what if something about the Ovi store is making it cost more? (ie: Nokia wants a big cut--so to still get their price, they have to increase the end-user cost to cover what Nokia is taking out?) Would it still seem fair to you?
1. Sygic will also be sold through the store from Sygic at http://www.sygic.com
2. Also Apple charge a cut... But there it costs also the same afaik..

spag 2010-02-07 13:50
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Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 514081)
1. Sygic will also be sold through the store from Sygic at http://www.sygic.com
But as you can read on the download page Sygic for Maemo will turn your 'iPhone' into a navigation system, not your N900. Sorry guys. ;)

Viipottaja 2010-02-07 14:04
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Oh my god, does this mean there is an iPhone Next Gen inside my N900?!?!? Some evil Nokia takeover by Apple? On Halloween night my beautiful black N900 turns into a white slab, the qwerty falls off and the battery is magically soldered permanently into place?

therock 2010-02-07 14:11
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
hah nice one Viipottaja

cardiff-blues 2010-02-08 12:35
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Latest update I have from a Sygic representative this afternoon is that they are frustrated by the delays as well but it seems like it is only a matter of days now before it is ready. 'Keep the Faith'

russo_br 2010-02-08 12:59
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Probably this was already discussed, but does anyone know if the technical problem related to paid apps is just on Ovi Store side??

If they need to update BOTH the Ovi Store and also N900 (Application Manager related daemons) in order to have a secure payment system, Nokia probably needs to release a minor firmware update before Sygic and others can have their products published.

hopbeat 2010-02-08 13:05
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
@russo_br, a the moment the problem is unsolved and no info about how it's going to be done is released.

From my point of view, in-app system will be necessary, whatever Nokia does with Ovi Store, without secure platform, it will be always trivial to break.

russo_br 2010-02-08 13:18
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
@hopbeat,

Agree, all mobiles and other devices had their system cracked to enable unauthorized copies... iPhone has jailbreak and most Symbian apps have cracked versions.

I won't lie telling that I've never installed something like that, but with time I know realize that this can only hurt our own devices future, which we invested a lot of bucks to get it. I sincerely hope that Nokia makes Maemo the most uncrackable mobile for paid apps, since that would attract many developers. Until now the only succesful case I am aware is Sony PS3, which is still unbreakable....

hopbeat 2010-02-08 13:21
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by russo_br (Post 516182)
Until now the only succesful case I am aware is Sony PS3, which is still unbreakable....
Not anymore :) We have full access to the hardware from the OtherOS (geohot has revealed the exploit).

The problem is how easy it is to buy application vs. get the cracked one.

[edit] sorry for the off-topic

ajamils 2010-02-08 16:37
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hopbeat (Post 516190)
Not anymore :) We have full access to the hardware from the OtherOS (geohot has revealed the exploit)
Just having access to hardware means nothing and unless there is a way to run unsigned code or modify firmware....its useless. With that said, we haven't even seen any "Hello World" yet which means that we still have a long way to go.

nightfire 2010-02-08 21:57
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by russo_br (Post 516182)
@hopbeat,

Agree, all mobiles and other devices had their system cracked to enable unauthorized copies... iPhone has jailbreak and most Symbian apps have cracked versions.

I won't lie telling that I've never installed something like that, but with time I know realize that this can only hurt our own devices future, which we invested a lot of bucks to get it. I sincerely hope that Nokia makes Maemo the most uncrackable mobile for paid apps, since that would attract many developers. Until now the only succesful case I am aware is Sony PS3, which is still unbreakable....
Impossible.

To do that, they'd have to eliminate root access, or cryptographically sign the kernel for device-specific factory deployments (like RIM). That would render the device useless for its current target market. I guarantee that 90% of its current users would abandon the platform if Nokia did that, and I'm pretty sure they know it.

I wouldn't worry that much about DRM support. If the phone starts to gain popularity, people like me will start writing proprietary apps and selling them.

There's an opportunity for a fresh start here.

cardiff-blues 2010-02-09 12:27
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Sygic is Listening

In the latest release update of the software, Sygic have taken onboard users comments and have now enabled the option to close or minimise the screen from the top menu bar. Whilst this might not seem like a great feature to write about, it is more than useful when you are in the middle of a journey and want to quickly check some emails or do a little web browsing but keep your current route active. So yes, this is a nice touch and it shows that the developers at Sygic are listening to feedback from testers.

lma 2010-02-09 12:42
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by polarnicka (Post 510585)
To your question: I have great news! Sygic will sell individual packages of groups of countries, but also package of whole Europe and package of all US countries.
Hm, according to http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/how-to-buy.html it seems that the Eastern Europe package (1980MB) contains maps not present in the whole Europe one (1810 MB) probably due to
Quote:
Maps with transit roads only: Albania, Macedonia, Serbia, Belarus, Moldova, Montenegro, Bosnia - Herzegovina, Romania, Ukraine.
It there a technical size limitation for this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by polarnicka (Post 511543)
Officially it's supported Maemo 5 (and higher). Maemo 4.1 (Diablo) was not tested, yet. According to this fact I can’t tell you with 100% assurance that application will be working properly on your device.
The same binary almost certainly won't work, but it should be portable relatively easily. Can you find out if there are any plans for this?

Thanks!

alex-000 2010-02-09 13:36
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cardiff-blues (Post 517592)
Sygic is Listening

In the latest release update of the software, Sygic have taken onboard users comments and have now enabled the option to close or minimise the screen from the top menu bar. Whilst this might not seem like a great feature to write about, it is more than useful when you are in the middle of a journey and want to quickly check some emails or do a little web browsing but keep your current route active. So yes, this is a nice touch and it shows that the developers at Sygic are listening to feedback from testers.
Can I ask you when Sygic update the new release? I think if Sygic still modify its software Nokia will not release it in Ovi Store until it will be considered "stable" so we still have to wait

nightfire 2010-02-09 16:23
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cardiff-blues (Post 517592)
Sygic is Listening

In the latest release update of the software, Sygic have taken onboard users comments and have now enabled the option to close or minimise the screen from the top menu bar. Whilst this might not seem like a great feature to write about, it is more than useful when you are in the middle of a journey and want to quickly check some emails or do a little web browsing but keep your current route active. So yes, this is a nice touch and it shows that the developers at Sygic are listening to feedback from testers.
Outstanding. :)

cardiff-blues 2010-02-09 16:27
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alex-000 (Post 517664)
Can I ask you when Sygic update the new release? I think if Sygic still modify its software Nokia will not release it in Ovi Store until it will be considered "stable" so we still have to wait
I have been saying this all along. There have been a few little teething problems that have been worked on so I would assume that this has been the reason for the delay and not the rumour about the ovi store.

In my last contact with Sygic yesterday I was told that the release is days away.

jcompagner 2010-02-09 16:55
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
in other threads i did see quotes like "in March we (Nokia) hope to have paid support in OVI"
so if that is true, then i don't think Sygic will be there before that..

cardiff-blues 2010-02-09 16:59
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcompagner (Post 517950)
in other threads i did see quotes like "in March we (Nokia) hope to have paid support in OVI"
so if that is true, then i don't think Sygic will be there before that..
Having Sygic available in OVI doesn't mean that it won't get released earlier. If the reports I have received are correct then I suspect that it will be released before being available in OVI. But then again, that's my best guess of what is going on, based upon the information I have received.

Dave999 2010-02-09 18:38
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Coming soon...What does that mean?

Come on, we need rules. can't use "coming soon" if the release is six month away...

el3ctronick 2010-02-11 00:40
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
will it charge with data transfer or its a proper navigation system?:)
thanks!

zehjotkah 2010-02-11 07:54
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by el3ctronick (Post 520450)
will it charge with data transfer or its a proper navigation system?:)
thanks!
Sygic is a offline navigaton system. The maps are stored on your device. So no data transfer.
Maybe in later versions there will be traffic informations. Then you will likely be in need of a data connection, or it will be over TMC.

mele 2010-02-11 08:36
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
but it will propably still needs some data because of A-GPS, still cost should be quite low.

jaark 2010-02-11 09:41
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Now that Navicore has just been pulled from underneath my feet, I am in need of a navigation system. Now.

I had intended to use Navicore until Sygic was available but that is no longer an option. If Sygic could let me be a beta tester or buy a pre-release version, they have a guaranteed customer here. Otherwise I will have to buy something else either today or tomorrow.

I hate sounding like a typical whiny ultimatum type post but I also hate the thought of having to go to the like of PCWorld and buying a TomTom :(

zehjotkah 2010-02-11 11:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mele (Post 520787)
but it will propably still needs some data because of A-GPS, still cost should be quite low.
you are able to deactivate agps. so if it costs too much for him, he can disable it.

luca 2010-02-11 18:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaark (Post 520839)
Now that Navicore has just been pulled from underneath my feet, I am in need of a navigation system. Now.

I had intended to use Navicore until Sygic was available but that is no longer an option.

See here:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...247#post294247

les_garten 2010-02-11 18:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stlpaul (Post 512053)
Will sygic mobile maps for maemo speak the street names? In other words tells you "Turn left on Barack Obama Boulevard" instead of "Turn left in 300 yards"...
It costs $50 more for the Barack Obama Hope and Change Special Edition. It has special features that are priceless and WELL worth the additional $50. Foremost amongst these are that you can get to anywhere you want to go by turning Hard LEFT at every intersection!

mele 2010-02-11 18:53
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 520989)
you are able to deactivate agps. so if it costs too much for him, he can disable it.
yes, but gps might never log on if you turn it off.

vonbraun66 2010-02-11 18:57
Re: Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by les_garten (Post 521665)
It costs $50 more for the Barack Obama Hope and Change Special Edition. It has special features that are priceless and WELL worth the additional $50. Foremost amongst these are that you can get to anywhere you want to go by turning Hard LEFT at every intersection!
What is the relevance of your statement in regard to the subject of this thread and the nature of this forum ?


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