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cipper

2010-03-29 16:17

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

thanks for the update!

I was wondering why is not possible to synchronize certain calendars such as sports like this one:
http://www.google.com/calendar/htmle...tz=Europe/Rome

cipper

2010-03-29 16:20

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

there's a page about that:
http://www.google.com/support/mobile...&answer=113849

but I suppose that in principle erminig could workaround this drawback?

jcompagner

2010-03-29 17:59

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

yes those calendars are special, if you look into those in google calendar yourself you also see that they also dont have external urls like a icalc and so on.

I just searched for my team in holland for a real one done by others, And those work great

But yeah.. 1 extra strange (and stupid thing) why cant we search for those calenders anymore!!
Why oh why did google disabled that??? You can search on anything except that!

esiravegna

2010-03-30 13:19

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirano (Post 586789)

Code:

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "/usr/bin/erminig", line 146, sync_all_profiles(widget=<gtk.ToolButton object at 0x41c67da0 (GtkToolButton at 0x4a41b8)>, data=<hildon.StackableWindow object at 0x41c67b20 (HildonStackableWindow at 0x429060)>)

        id = i[0]

        do_profile_sync(id, data)

  variables: {'data': ('local', <hildon.StackableWindow object at 0x41c67b20 (HildonStackableWindow at 0x429060)>), 'id': ('local', 1), 'do_profile_sync': ('global', <function do_profile_sync at 0x41c6bcf0>)}

  File "/usr/bin/erminig", line 118, do_profile_sync(id=1, data=<hildon.StackableWindow object at 0x41c67b20 (HildonStackableWindow at 0x429060)>)

            profile['remoteSource'], \

            profile['lastUpdate'], progress)

  variables: {'profile': ('local', {'lastUpdate': 0, 'direction': 0, 'lastLocalUpdate': 0, 'remoteSourceTitle': None, 'remoteAccountId': 1, 'enabled': 1, 'localSource': u'1', 'remoteSource': u'0', 'localSourceTitle': u'N900', 'id': 1}), 'progress': ('local', <gtk.ProgressBar object at 0x41cb0238 (GtkProgressBar at 0x4b5b30)>)}



Found the problem, incomplee configuration. Sorry and thanks.

  File "/usr/share/erminig/erminig_core.py", line 370, syncFromGoogle(pid=1, localSource=u'1', remoteSource=u'0', lastSync=0, progress=<gtk.ProgressBar object at 0x41cb0238 (GtkProgressBar at 0x4b5b30)>)

      getNewEventsFromGoogle(pid, int(localSource), remoteSource, lastSync, \

          progress)

  variables: {'progress': ('local', <gtk.ProgressBar object at 0x41cb0238 (GtkProgressBar at 0x4b5b30)>)}

  File "/usr/share/erminig/erminig_core.py", line 150, getNewEventsFromGoogle(pid=1, localSource=1, remoteSource=u'0', lastSync=0, progress=<gtk.ProgressBar object at 0x41cb0238 (GtkProgressBar at 0x4b5b30)>)

      feed_size = len(feed.entry)

      if feed_size == 0:

  variables: {'feed': ('local', None), 'feed_size': (None, None), 'len': ('builtin', <built-in function len>)}

AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'entry'

I get this error, I'm using 0.2.1, latest in extras. I get this crash report when I try tu update. I've never gotten it to work.

I'm using the N900 database and my googe account.

I have exactly the same issue. I've created the google account first on the settings, and inmediatly afterwards I got the bug error. I've tried to install python-gdata via xterminal using apt-get, but I've got an 'already installed' message. Any input will be very appreciated. Thanks a lot.

lorelei

2010-03-31 02:39

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Hello everyone,

to those having the crashes similar to the one esiravegna is experiencing, it looks like the fix I put into 0.2.1 is not complete enough :(

Some patience will be needed before I can fix it....

just wanted to let you know that those issues are not left completely unattended...

GreatGonzo

2010-03-31 02:54

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

To get the files in an installed package run (in terminal):

Code:

dpkg -L erminig

kirano

2010-04-10 10:45

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorelei (Post 589118)

any news about this bug?

edanto

2010-04-11 16:28

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Guys, I'm someone that is very, very new to the N900, and linux.

I hope that in the future I'll be able to contribute to development of apps, but for now I just wanted to thank you all for working on this particular app and I look forward to using it when it's ready.

cdarek

2010-04-13 16:27

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Hello Everybody,
This thread seems to be a little quiet recently (after very busy March at least).
I hope lorelei that you are just happy skiing in beatifull mountains of Switzerland and not lost interest in further development.

I like this app very much, I synchronize 4 google calendars every hour with help of the alarmed app. It works great.
The only thing I need now is recurring events and I am really happy.

I have noticed that the only problem that happens is when my gsm internet connection is down (I used autodisconnect application) the erminig returns with an error as it cannot initiate the internet connection by itself.
I am to fresh to linux to deal with this issue so will have to wait for the wise guys to solve it.

Lorelei thank you very much for your effort - it is the most important app for me on my n900. :):):)

cdarek

jwshale

2010-04-15 17:02

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Hi Everyone,

I'm new to this forum having just received an N900 yesterday.

Being a big Google calendar (and Gmail) user, this app was on of the first I installed. I was initially having the same problems as kirano and esiravegna, which was a little frustrating.

Then I decided to try removing the database file (although I didn't even have an old version installed) like it said in this post.

Seems to work now, though I have no idea whether this was the fix or not!

John

lorelei

2010-04-19 05:11

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Hello all,

I just wanted to announce that I'm still alive, and that I haven't forgotten about Erminig. I was away the last 3 weeks and a half for vacations, hence the non-activity on erminig and on this forum. As it turns out, I won't be able to work on Erminig for another few days since I'm currently stranded in LAX waiting for a plane to bring me back home (thank you Eyjafjallajökull :))...

Nathan

2010-04-19 06:30

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Thanks for the Erminig! Its a bit buggy if their is no network connection; but once I figured that out and figured out that you want to put in your accounts before you sync (seems to have an issue with "add" accounts after a sync). I was all set; I'm pulling 7 calendars from Google from two accounts. Works GREAT!

Nathan

Nathan

2010-04-19 06:35

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Quote:

Originally Posted by feydrutha (Post 581536)

Also, I had that bug again where creating a new profile overwrites an old one instead. It then would not sync properly, so I deleted it and started over. Works now. Unfortunately still no idea how you can reproduce this... maybe it has to do with using multiple google accounts....

I can duplicate this easily.

I have two google accounts;

If I hit the sync button, then attempt to "add" a new calendar; it modifies another entry of this specific google account (i.e. acting like a edit).

If I add/edit my accounts before a sync everything is fine.

So just quit the app, and reload it after a sync if you want to add any more accounts. :)

Nathan.

ChoMar

2010-04-27 17:15

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

ARGH! I Need this eminig up and running (It keeps crashing on my N900, but the Bug is already known afaik)
*g*
@ lorelei
i dont want to put any pressure on you, just want to say thank you for developing something I NEED BADLY *g*

Just had to say this.

Jay Xie

2010-05-07 13:05

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

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I've made a patch to use python-alarm to do daily automatically sync follows the implementation in syncevolution.

It add a new table in the sqlite db named Prefs and auto sync settings are stored there.

I hope this will be helpful, cause auto sync is very useful.

lorelei

2010-05-07 20:49

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Thank you for the patch.

I will review it very soon and integrate it.

Matter of fact, I resumed development yesterday evening (talk about a coincidence :))

kirano

2010-05-12 19:49

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

great! looking forward for the new version. :)

dscobsct

2010-05-12 19:54

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

me too this app is priceless

jwshale

2010-05-13 09:51

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

I completely agree! This is already a great app, and even without recurring event sync I use it a lot.

fw190

2010-05-13 12:35

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

The app always crushes for me when I try to sync with google.

jwshale

2010-05-13 13:54

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Mine often does too - for me I think it may be when it cannot connect properly as it always seems to work on wifi.

John

shazosbourne

2010-05-13 14:02

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Quote:

Originally Posted by fw190 (Post 656750)

The app always crushes for me when I try to sync with google.

Yeah mine crashes when I try to sync too. Haven't had a successful sync yet. Looking forward to getting it working though.

DaSilva

2010-05-13 14:20

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

I think it happens when the connection is too slow/weak.

lorelei

2010-05-13 15:14

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

There's for sure a bug when there's no internet connection at all. Now for the case of slow connections I wouldn't know...it's a use-case not really easy to test out....

fw190

2010-05-13 16:26

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaSilva (Post 656871)

I think it happens when the connection is too slow/weak.

I try to sync on 3.5G so I don't think it is slow...

kirano

2010-05-14 12:47

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirano (Post 586789)

Code:

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "/usr/bin/erminig", line 146, sync_all_profiles(widget=<gtk.ToolButton object at 0x41c67da0 (GtkToolButton at 0x4a41b8)>, data=<hildon.StackableWindow object at 0x41c67b20 (HildonStackableWindow at 0x429060)>)

        id = i[0]

        do_profile_sync(id, data)

  variables: {'data': ('local', <hildon.StackableWindow object at 0x41c67b20 (HildonStackableWindow at 0x429060)>), 'id': ('local', 1), 'do_profile_sync': ('global', <function do_profile_sync at 0x41c6bcf0>)}

  File "/usr/bin/erminig", line 118, do_profile_sync(id=1, data=<hildon.StackableWindow object at 0x41c67b20 (HildonStackableWindow at 0x429060)>)

            profile['remoteSource'], \

            profile['lastUpdate'], progress)

  variables: {'profile': ('local', {'lastUpdate': 0, 'direction': 0, 'lastLocalUpdate': 0, 'remoteSourceTitle': None, 'remoteAccountId': 1, 'enabled': 1, 'localSource': u'1', 'remoteSource': u'0', 'localSourceTitle': u'N900', 'id': 1}), 'progress': ('local', <gtk.ProgressBar object at 0x41cb0238 (GtkProgressBar at 0x4b5b30)>)}

  File "/usr/share/erminig/erminig_core.py", line 370, syncFromGoogle(pid=1, localSource=u'1', remoteSource=u'0', lastSync=0, progress=<gtk.ProgressBar object at 0x41cb0238 (GtkProgressBar at 0x4b5b30)>)

      getNewEventsFromGoogle(pid, int(localSource), remoteSource, lastSync, \

          progress)

  variables: {'progress': ('local', <gtk.ProgressBar object at 0x41cb0238 (GtkProgressBar at 0x4b5b30)>)}

  File "/usr/share/erminig/erminig_core.py", line 150, getNewEventsFromGoogle(pid=1, localSource=1, remoteSource=u'0', lastSync=0, progress=<gtk.ProgressBar object at 0x41cb0238 (GtkProgressBar at 0x4b5b30)>)

      feed_size = len(feed.entry)

      if feed_size == 0:

  variables: {'feed': ('local', None), 'feed_size': (None, None), 'len': ('builtin', <built-in function len>)}

AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'entry'

I get this error, I'm using 0.2.1, latest in extras. I get this crash report when I try tu update. I've never gotten it to work.

I'm using the N900 database and my googe account.

I get this error with my wifi connection, gpodder, and other software works just fine with the same connection.

lorelei

2010-05-14 12:53

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

This is a known bug, which I had hoped to have removed in 0.2.1, but apparently I missed a few spots where it could occur. This is also one of the most frequent error reported, unfortunately.

I'm fairly certain that I will be able to release a new version of Erminig by Sunday evening (thanks to the awful weather :) ....), with fixes for this bug and a few other enhancements (recurring events? :))

todor_tsankov

2010-05-14 13:23

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorelei (Post 658276)

Hmmm, I think I'll start waiting for that release instead of the hopeless PR1.2 :)

And as a comment - have you ever considered implementing an auto-connect/disconnect feature? This most probably will greatly reduce the "not-connected" related bugs, and most importantly will save our batteries a lot! :D

pmd	2010-05-14 14:31

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorelei (Post 560654)

The very first release of Erminig-NG with its GUI is now on its way in the extras-devel repository. It should be available in a few moments. (force a refresh of the packages list in the application manager if it doesn't show up)

I have installed erminig 0.2.1 from extras-devel, and I assume that is the current version. I expected to find erminig-ng, but that is apparently no longer the name of this software, right?

I have the same problem as kirano in post #280.

I have submitted this problem in bugzilla as bug #10176.

lorelei

2010-05-15 13:15

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmd (Post 658403)

I have installed erminig 0.2.1 from extras-devel, and I assume that is the current version. I expected to find erminig-ng, but that is apparently no longer the name of this software, right?

Here's the situation:

Erminig -> for Diablo
Erminig-NG -> for Freemantle/Maemo 5, but known as Erminig in the application manager. This is also the only version still supported, as Erminig (the original) will be replaced by Erminig-NG in the future.

I'm aware that it's really misleading...all my apologies...

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmd (Post 658403)

I have submitted this problem in bugzilla as bug #10176.

Excellent, thank you!

Edit: bug fixed in upcoming version 0.2.9.

kirano

2010-05-15 19:02

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Nice!, cant wait to try it out

Elhana

2010-05-15 19:09

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Can we get an option to sync every day at set time with alarmd from GUI?
I don't want to install yet another scheduler like cron to do the trick.

lorelei

2010-05-15 21:01

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elhana (Post 659927)

Can we get an option to sync every day at set time with alarmd from GUI?
I don't want to install yet another scheduler like cron to do the trick.

Yes, upcoming version 0.2.9 will integrate this feature. Credits for this goes to Jay Xie, who submitted a patch a few pages ago :)

Deltree

2010-05-16 00:23

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

I'm really looking forward to a hopefully more bugfree version of Erminig... There are a lot of things that don't work on my phone... for example I can't synchronize the automatic birthday calendar of the n900 and most fullday dates aren't synced either.

I hope we can get the new version before PR1.2 finally comes out? :D

All in all a very useful application for the future, thank you very much!

Michael

lorelei

2010-05-16 00:32

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deltree (Post 660207)

- birthday calendar not syncing is not really a bug, since it's not implemented (yet)
- are those fullday events recurring by any chance? If yes, then it's "by design" for version 0.2.1 and lower. Version 0.2.9 (to be released before the end of the weekend) adds support for recurring events

New version will come before PR1.2 :) By the way, when version 0.2 of Erminig has been released, 8 hours after that PR1.1 got released...just sayin' ;)

What are the other bugs you have to report?

shazosbourne

2010-05-16 00:40

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Whenever I try to sync with my calendar I get:
A programming error has been detected during the execution of the program.
Then I have to quit.
The error in the "details" is below.
Am I doing something wrong?
Thanks for your work on this btw.

Code:

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "/usr/bin/erminig", line 146, sync_all_profiles(widget=<gtk.ToolButton object at 0x40811698 (GtkToolButton at 0x4aa1d8)>, data=<hildon.StackableWindow object at 0x40811cb0 (HildonStackableWindow at 0x43f060)>)

        id = i[0]

        do_profile_sync(id, data)

  variables: {'data': ('local', <hildon.StackableWindow object at 0x40811cb0 (HildonStackableWindow at 0x43f060)>), 'id': ('local', 1), 'do_profile_sync': ('global', <function do_profile_sync at 0x40bb3070>)}

  File "/usr/bin/erminig", line 97, do_profile_sync(id=1, data=<hildon.StackableWindow object at 0x40811cb0 (HildonStackableWindow at 0x43f060)>)

      google_api.switch_account(

          google_accounts.get_account_by_id(profile['remoteAccountId']))

  variables: {'profile': ('local', {'lastUpdate': 0, 'direction': 0, 'lastLocalUpdate': 0, 'remoteSourceTitle': None, 'remoteAccountId': None, 'enabled': 1, 'localSource': u'0', 'remoteSource': u'0', 'localSourceTitle': None, 'id': 1}), 'google_accounts.get_account_by_id': ('global', <function get_account_by_id at 0x4076ce70>)}

  File "/usr/share/erminig/google_accounts.py", line 64, get_account_by_id(id=None)

          "WHERE id = ?", (id,))

      row = dblayer.getRows(cur)[0]

      return (row['username'], row['password'], id)

  variables: {'dblayer.getRows': ('global', <function getRows at 0x4076ccf0>), 'cur': ('local', <sqlite3.Cursor object at 0x40773080>), 'row': (None, None)}

IndexError: list index out of range

Deltree

2010-05-16 10:41

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorelei (Post 660215)

- birthday calendar not syncing is not really a bug, since it's not implemented (yet)

Oh, I didn't know that... thought, because I can choose the "cal_ti_smart_birthdays", that it'll work... Would be very useful, though... :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorelei (Post 660215)

- are those fullday events recurring by any chance? If yes, then it's "by design" for version 0.2.1 and lower. Version 0.2.9 (to be released before the end of the weekend) adds support for recurring events

Ah, I didn't know that either... that could really solve most of my problems... :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorelei (Post 660215)

New version will come before PR1.2 :) By the way, when version 0.2 of Erminig has been released, 8 hours after that PR1.1 got released...just sayin' ;)

Awesome, so you say, PR1.2 will be released by the end of week? :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by lorelei (Post 660215)

What are the other bugs you have to report?

The "reccurent events problem" actually covers most of my "bugs" if I come think about it... but I'll report others, if I can reproduce them... actually, there was one minor thing:
After I changed the login-name of my Google Account (I thought maybe, the "@" would make a problem), I could change the Google Account in the Sync-Proffiles, but still the program would crash, if I tried to save them or sync them.
But this was solved, after I deleted the Sync-Profiles and recreated them. So a minor problem...

So, thank you very much and I am really looking forward to the new version! :)

Best wishes,
Michael

lorelei

2010-05-16 22:52

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Hi all,

as promised version 0.2.9 of Erminig has been released and is available in extras-devel. Look at the bottom of this post for the Changelog.

The big new feature of this version is the support for recurring events. Now a word of warning: recurring events are a rather difficult topic per se, and the odd way it is implemented in the Maemo 5 calendar doesn't help! All of this to say that it's very probable that you will hit a bug or two with recurring events, since I can't really test out all possible combination of recurring events. After synchronizing, have a look at the log, to see if something went wrong.

There are probably many corner cases which I didn't think of, so please report any bug, preferably via bugzilla (thank you in advance for the reports!)

What doesn't work are exceptions to recurrence rules. Unfortunately I cannot fix this, since this is a limitation within Maemo 5 calendar. Oddly enough, the framework is there, but it's completely ignored by the calendar application...

Another feature is the integration with alarmd (to schedule daily syncs), courtesy of Jay Xie who submitted a patch a few weeks ago in this thread. You will find a new option in the settings menu.

Plans for the future:

- I expect to release a bug-fix version rather soonish (since I expect quite a few bugs, especially with the recurrence), but it will really depend on the bug reports I will get.
- After that bug-fix release, I'm thinking of promoting the package to extras-testing, in order to widen the audience and hopefully squash some more bugs, and finally release to Extras.

The changelog:

Code:

  * ENH: More errors conditions are raised to the user

  * FIX: Removed crashes when calendars not available anymore

  * NEW: Automatic Daily synchronization (patch by Jay Xie)

  * FIX: Detect if no Internet connection and raise an error

  * ENH: "Suggest" a name for new calendar names when adding profiles

  * ENH: In "add profile", auto-select a Google account if only one is present

  * ENH: In "add profile", ask for new Google account on startup if none

    present

  * NEW: Support for recurring events

Enjoy :)

Deltree

2010-05-17 00:45

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

Awesome! Thank you!
As far as I can see it, there are no problems at all... But tomorrow I'll make it a bit harder for the application ;)

Vielen Dank! :)
Grüße,
Michael

kirano

2010-05-17 10:17

Re: [Announce] Erminig-NG: two-way synchronization Google Calendar <-> Fremantle Calendar

thanks will try out as soon as possible, about which database I should import to, I have one which is named "n900" is this the one to choose if I want to add it to my n900 calendar software?

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