Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Feature #1 (Full MfE support) has very little to do with Modest. Most of it is to do with the calendar, MfE, and the general OS security (as some of the provisioning requirements will need changes to the security setup). There are bugs open for all of these, and most of them have been covered in the main MfE thread (either being worked on or being pushed for). Things have been pretty quiet on that front recently though.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

This is the problem with the whole N, E, C, XM etc labeling. Nokia should have never brought the internet tablet line into the N-series labeling and instead created a new line perhaps M-series.
A differentiation like this where they align user expectation with maemo, linux and the idea of a MID rather than Symbian and the notion of a 'smartphone'. The computing tasks available to users of the tablet line are so much more advanced than a smartphone but the 'smartphone' features are clearly somewhere from back in 2004.

Maybe once most of the features were aligned should they have been tagged N-series, which from all reports seem to be around Harmattan/Meego1 and Symbian 3.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35136

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Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

OK, you win. :)

With such open and approachable developers I only wish I had MfE problems rather than bog standard/basic POP functionality issues...!

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Rightly or wrongly I tend to consider MfE a part of Modest, or in a more general sense part of the email functionality that is provided on the device. Same goes for Nokia Messaging. They may all exist as three separate but linked components however the common or garden user doesn't care, they just get a shonky email experience because as a whole it's all so flakey and under-developed.

However it is great to see the MfE developers getting involved and actually communicating directly with their end users - a model for everyone else perhaps.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Hi, I have been away from Talk a whole busy and quite offline week.

I see there are plenty of new posts here that have actually little to do with the original topic. Do you mind moving these discussions elsewhere?Thank you!

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Quim some of those posts are the result of people trying to dig down deeper into the subject... but maybe a moderator here (I'm not) can sift through and figure out what should stay and what should go.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Here something new to include in the wiki page, but I need help.

How accurate is this post :

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...5&postcount=38

Emphasis is mine

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Just blows my mind to see threads like this:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47412

And no matter how many times reality is explained, people whoosh right past it and post more garbage.

I'm all for locking such threads with a moderator's note that it may be reopened after heads have cooled... and people have read. :rolleyes:

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Cripes, I'm trying to put out FUD fires on twitter over that last bit and @MeeGoExperts just refuses to get it...

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

I don't think that would be a good solution, instead of 1 thread where it's concentrated, you'd end up with a bunch of locked threads. That wouldn't leave a good impression.

The other side of the coin: I keep seeing reasonable questions that get the same "stock" answers, that continue to not appease the people asking the question.

For instance, when someone expresses the worry that developers will be moving on/away from Maemo5/N900, the stock answer is invariably QT. The problem here is that the answer is very similar to Mandor's quote above:
I'm not a programmer, but what I read is that an app that is developed to run on an x86 netbook, a quick recompile and a tweak or two later, it's up and running on my N900, right? IMHO, we're talking about a netbook with maybe a similar UI, but 1024x600 screen. Depending on the app, there may be quite a bit of work converting from 1024x600 to 800x480 as far as layout, then usability becomes a question. To me, at least, this entails a lot more than a quick recompile. So to me, while I can see some benefit of QT, perhaps the "stock" answer is overstating the benefits a bit. And once someone starts thinking they may have been lead astray (even if slightly or innocently) they start questioning the rest of the points.

Now, I may be completely wrong in my assumptions. But, I think these may be fairly common assumptions, at least among the doubters. And I could probably do this for a lot of the "stock" answers, and I'm sure any number of people could jump in and point out where I'm wrong or misguided. And that would probably be a good thing.

I just wonder if this is a "can't see the forest for the trees" thing (on both sides). I'm a fairly intelligent guy, and I've read the wiki, and stskeeps posts, and other well thought out responses on most of these issues. While this has mitigated the FUD, it sure did not eliminate it. In theory, it all sounds rosey and good. However, theory doesn't necessarily translate well to practice, and that leaves FUD.

Long way around, IMO, locking threads because people haven't "read" the answers and understood them well enough would only serve to increase FUD, not decrease it.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

*sigh* you may be right...

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Well, about that quote (by the way I am still looking for an answer), I think that is what Ari has been trying to tell us in his blog. MeeGo is good for N900 because MeeGo will attract more developers working with Qt, which translates as more applications based on Qt, which means more applications for the N900.

I am just looking for a quote from somebody in the know that I can include in the wiki page.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Mandor, I updated the wiki with enough info to dispel FUD:

http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_re...N900.__True.3F

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

I fixed my link.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Another example of what I'm talking about (and my sincere apologies to Quim for picking his post).

What I as an intelligent, engaged end-user read from this is:
1) Nokia is committing resources to MeeGo on the N900. I'd expect that some of those resources would/could/should come from within the Maemo5 group (they are the experts on the N900), which means less people working on Maemo5. :(
2) It reads like there will be a MeeGo OS that can be used on the N900, for "daily" use. However, it should be made clear that it will be a "developer" version, not likely suitable for daily use (for end-users). I suspect this will be the case for some months, quarters ? down the line.

As quoted, the same old answer stands, which is really no answer, ie Nobody, perhaps even Nokia, knows the answer. And that doesn't really do much to reduce FUD, in fact it may even increase it. In the end a good solid "maybe" will only increase the noise as people endlessly argue over their interpretations of it.

Just my $0.02

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

A solid "no" is better than equivocating, that's for sure.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

I'm afraid what could happen when there is a "no" in the end... :(


The most users wouldn't understand that a Qt 4.6 based MeeGo Ovi Maps will not only run at MeeGo 1.0. - When it is Qt 4.6 based it should also run on a Qt 4.6 based Maemo 5 N900 without a problem. (or all the Qt 4.6 adverstisement is wrong)

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

If it is true, then why does Nokia promise Ovi Maps for MeeGo, but not for N900?

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Nah, the way Nokia operates if it is a no they wont say anything about it, but there'll be a lot of hand waving about Qt 4.6 being available on Maemo 5.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

I already posted this, check the Ovi Blog comments where a Nokia employee named @Niini says that the Ovi Maps team is working on turn-by-turn for N900: http://blog.ovi.com/2010/03/02/new-p...bile/#comments

I also posted the response from Nokia USA Customer Care which said that N900, not Meego/Harmattan, will have free turn-by-turn navigation as well.

Sure it may take some time, but with these answers I am confident that N900 will have Ovi Maps with turn-by-turn navigation. (just hope the 2 person who answered were not from an outsourced help desk and don't have a clue what they're saying... :p but that doesn't seem the case)

Anyway, it is hard to understand why the Maemo team don't confirm this since other employees did... Maybe some strategy reason or even due to bureaucracy common on large companies, who knows...

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

We have been discussed that the arrival of Qt 4.6 final & official means better compatibility and longer life for Maemo 5.

In this context it's worth mentioning that the Qt team has started packaging Qt 4.7 (with QtDeclarative inside) for Maemo 5. Currently in Experimental and onyl for very brave developers, but this is how Qt 4.6 for Maemo 5 was 6 months ago.

http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010...-for-the-n900/

Don't overlook this QtDeclarative since it has all the number for bringing plenty of apps for MeeGo and Symbian that might very well run on top of Maemo 5 with Qt 4.7 one with little or no extra developer effort.