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I think it's a great thing! Nokia is falling down and will disappear i 2 or 3 years. Samsung is huge and with a large community like maemo.org or meego, they can do great things!

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Investors seems to think, it'll take Nokia till 2012/2013 to be completely up to speed on Windows Phone. (Ironically, MeeGo is being dumped because it's not market ready in 2011.)

So, those are the big lines that defined the drop in price. I expect after a drop, it'll go up a little before it stabilized. But generally I think we need good news to see any big growth until late 2012.

Q1 numbers may indicate that Nokia doesn't fail as much on short term as analytics thought. Or, that Nokia fails even more. So Q1 numbers are going to change the price, one way or another.

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Nokia seeks to keep MeeGo developers with raises, bonuses

link

After all it looks like they still need to bet on meego. :D

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To mee it seems Nokia is getting nervous. Symbian and Maemo/MeeGo are both open source. If thousands (can't imagine there are that many, but anyway) of highly skilled software engineers, experts in Qt and Linux for ARM devices as well as Symbian suddenly finds themselves without a job, there is nothing preventing them continuing what they are doing, but for someone else. It could be anyone, HTC, SE, Samsung or some chinese company wanting to have MeeGo and Qt on some nice piece of HW.

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Elop´s plan A is disaster, as stock markets and recent damage control news from Nokia clearly shows.
Plan B or its variants would be the right way and stock price could be +40% from current levels.

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No, it looks like they're trying to prevent the rats from leaving the ship before the N950 is ready. Basically, this says "our current plan is so flawed, that the chance of losing developers before the next waypoint is significant, we need to ensure that we at least get there".

While Elops plan is a disaster, changing strategy now would yet again confirm for the analytics all they need to know about Nokia being unable to set a strategy even when they try hard.

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Heh... so much irony in that post. It's precisely Nokia's huge size that led to its current problems. So... Samsung would be next to fall. ;)

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Bye bye Finland, hello Vietnam.

http://www.emoneydaily.com/nokia-cor...nsion/69810075

By the way, stock is dropping again today.

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Nokia Stock Hits New 52-Week Low

M$ is almost there :mad:

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Nokia stock massacre: apparently setting the Symbian platform on fire had more of an impact than Nokia predicted.

"Shares of NOK opened today’s session trading at just $7.10 (-13.41%), which is their lowest intraday level since 1998."

1998. Consider how far the cell phone market has come since 1998.

Here's the graph: Nokia development since suicide memo leak

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Good work Elop!
MS clearly was the right choice for the partner.
And a wise move to kill Meego too!

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I don't think anybody is missing MeeGo when nobody in stock market knows about it, Symbian is the problem here. That platform was going to die anyways, but Elop accelerated that process.
Imo as weird as it might sound to some here in a long term decission i think he did the right thing. Not talking about MeeGo here, but Symbian most of all.
I would not touch Nokia stock this year even with a long stick. If it stays under 5.5e in Q4 i will be putting some cash to that direction.

-16.89% at OMXH

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The price for nokia is "slowly" getting right for M$....

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Or for anybody really.
Nokia is a bargain at the moment. You would be buying one of Europes largest tech companies that got 11 billion in cash 130 000 workers, 8 factories and largest patent portfolio compared to any other tech company in Europe.

All that for around 35 billion euros.

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Well, not so much "kill" it as lock in it the basement and feed it only bread and water in case Nokia's competitors develop MeeGo into a winning platform with a vibrant ecosystem. Should that happen, Nokia will immediately throw open the basement door, allowing MeeGo to stumble forth, malnourished and blinking at the bright lights of the surface world, and "me too" itself into certain market domination.

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Seems like the consumers (and stock holders) don't really care if Syimbian is old compared to iPhone, blah, blah, blah.

What matters is that's good enough for consumers to buy, a lot;
What matters to stock holders is that the consumers are buying.

Announcing a shift to WP7, in february, with the first phone coming only at Q4 is a very stupid move.

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It's always easy to look to near future, but i think this was right thing to do looking past 6 months.
Symbian was clearly pass it's time and had been given 4 years to become something, it didn't and Android has been eating it like a cake and i saw zero reason for a change over there. Anna update is one more laugh worthy example here.
WP needed a shock start to get any interest towards Nokia anymore, get developers to WP and for once in 4 years make it clear what direction Nokia is going and hold on to it.

Nokia got the money to go trough this easily, that's not the problem, but they need to ensure that future platform actually moves forward and not have all this open "what if" stuff going on and if they do they are keeping it under the wraps.
Not what that total failiure of OPK did to Nokia.

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I see no problem with your arguments, and WP7 have potential on being good to Nokia in the long run. The stupid idea in my opinion is to declare the main asset of the company "dead", when the substitute will only be available 9 months later. What they did expect to sell in the meantime? Who would buy Symbian if Nokia already declared it dead? I know about the support about 2016, but it doesn't help keeping it alive. It just put a date on it.

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Nokia just announced that sales would be lower than Nokia expected for the next few quarters, but it was optimistic about sales starting in the fourth quarter.

I don't see how anyone can make falling below your own projections into a plus. It means that Nokia doesn't understand the market dynamics and has been living in a dream world.

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If Apple buys Nokia, I will weep.

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Dude. That was short but epic.

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Yeah, there was definitely a dreamlike quality to the culture when I worked there. Seemed positive at the time, but delusional in hindsight.

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Sales numbers in units sold for phones with Symbian OS were going UP. The same could not be said for phones with a Windows OS. Measured in sales, your statement does not hold water.

Symbian wasn't failing, it was the competition (except Microsoft) that have been tremendously successful. First Apple, later Google. Of course, Nokia would take a loss in number of sales eventually, but they decided it was time already, themselves.

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True but when you lose your home market, Europe to Samsung something is not right.
Android has been so fast to grow that Symbian can't stand a chance. We are talking about turning the ship around here and Symbian has been losing market share for 3 years now.

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volt is right. Symbian is a red herring here. It really isn't THAT bad. There were much more important factors killing Nokia. Lack of agility, poor platforming, bad carrier relationships, poor or non-existent advertising, inept social engagement... I could go on...

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Dude, don't you know about Samsung? Samsung is growing faster than Google. Faster than China. In ten years, half of all products but food are Samsung products. If Samsung decided on MeeGo, then we would have MeeGo.

If Nokia lose market share in a market that is growing but keep revenue, they should not gamble all and everything. Though, they haven't been keeping revenue, they've been losing, and the brand name has been losing more, since tec media the last ten years have been very Northern America centric and Nokia repeatedly have failed this market. Still, seems to me like they're gambling big and losing.

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Caption contest!!! :D

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Elop: "Steve, here is where we hope to drive Nokia stock."
Ballmer: "All you had to do was ask!"

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Elop: "Make me happy, Steve."
Ballmer: "You don't have enough money."

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Samsung is interesting regarding MeeGo actually..

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...rs-windows-arm

(Emphasis mine)

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Stskeeps how DARE you interrupt the ad hoc caption contest! Especially with reality. :p

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Nokia has been losing brand value because of Symbian. They really were in a tough spot because of an old OS with a huge user base. I guess they won't have that problem for long..

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Elop: "We are going to get DOWN with some slick social buzz!"
Ballmer: "What part of 'Developers, Developers, Developers' don't you get???"

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http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5...386413095i.jpg

Baller : We will bought nokia when will be under that price
Apocalypse Rider : No problem, i ll do all necessary to down price

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http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5...386413095i.jpg

Elop : I want my prime now !
Baller : Wait a bit, we haven't bought nokia yet and MeeGo is near to be dead for handser

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Eflop: This is how you touch a screen. What is multitouch good for?
Baldmer: Forget about touchscreen. Future is Kinect, watch this move!

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http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5...386413095i.jpg

Elop Trojan : Now that i'm installed you can't remove me
Ballmer : Wait a minute, even our new spyware removal tool can't do nothing ?