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I took a closer look for this and you know what? I'm guessing that the fapman was right all this time, not the HAM. I re-checked some of the earlier posted apps and those were indeed up to date, at least according to the version I managed to find from the site.

So I'm assuming there's no more longer a problem here, but I'll post the output just in case still. :) Thanks for all the help so far, now I know which app to trust and which one not, when it comes to updating files (it starts with the letter F ;)).

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Could you add a download speed number while downloading applications?
Everything else works really great now!
Only some texts in the Dependency tab are too short.

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But only at package level, not version level? Any reason beyond not-done-yet? I don't want to completely blacklist a package, if it's installed I like it. I just want to ban a version that's bad for me until the fix appears. Like the new fcam drivers that don't work with Titan's or new version of Titan's that has no new functionality.

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Hello hqh

I wonder if you saw my post #247 as you had not commented on it. I have seen Flandry's post however as HAM can work around this issue, I thought you may be interested in making fapman do the same.

Here's an extract from the HAM log if that's of any help:

apt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain: osso-notes-l10n-mr0 6.11+0m5
apt-worker: /var/lib/apt/lists/downloads.maemo.nokia.com_fremantle_ssu_203_._Pack ages
connected to 2885866c-7a2d-4f15-ae78-035dc777f24f
[ Some installed packages are broken! ]
-----
Upgrading fapman 0.5.2-1 to 0.6-2
apt-worker: free space (/) = 75186176
apt-worker: free space (/home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache/) = 28312076288
apt-worker: free space (/home/) = 1687576576
apt-worker: total space (/home/) = 2113748992
required disk space: 282864
result code = 0
apt-worker: free space (/) = 75186176
(Reading database ... 29853 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace fapman 0.5.2-1 (using .../fapman_0.6-2_armel.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement fapman ...
Setting up fapman (0.6-2) ...
apt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain: mediaplayer-l10n-ptpt 6.0+r7611+0m5
apt-worker: /var/lib/apt/lists/downloads.maemo.nokia.com_fremantle_ssu_203_._Pack ages

I have updated to version 0.6. Improvements I noticed:

• The buttons are more visible over the background.
• Using the hildon notes and showing the size of the download after updating catalog
• Blacklisting installed applications in the upgrade section (although blacklisting "this version" is not available

Good work!

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What do you mean? Could you provide a screenshot?

It requires more work :)

I was going to suggest the same thing that Flandry did. I hope I will be able to make fapman handle situations like that better in the future, but at this moment you're better off just fixing your broken packages.

--

Version 0.6.1

* fixed: misbehaviour of package operation selector buttons
* fixed: changing search options during search does not return all the matching packages
* more detailed logging of date fetch

Introduced a stupid bug with the selector buttons in the previous version so had to make a quick bugfix release.

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Feature request:
Ability to fetch "<div class="changelog">" table from package page and parse it to user. This could be done with extra button on package screen. Would be very useful when you are updating packages and want to know fast what has been changed since last version. Of course opening link to package page also does this but parsing it directly to fapman is faster.

.edit
Also upgrade all button would be pretty neat.

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Hi folks,
I am having trouble with FAPMAN. I had it installed prior to a reflash but since then I have had to use HAM as nothing with install using FAPMAN. I get the following error.

How do I fix this? Thanks for your time.

**EDIT** Looks like it is not a fapman issue.

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager (Maemo5)
 

Hi,
I've not been able to use fapman since I installed it. It gives me the following "unknown error" and this is the output from the log


/usr/bin/apt-get -q update -o Dir;;Etc::sourcelist=/opt/fapman-cache/sources.list -o Dir;;State::list=/opt/fapman-cache/list -o Dir;;Etc::sourceparts=""
E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/Http could not be found
E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/Http could not be found

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager (Maemo5)
 

Yeah, broken packages/dependencies are not exactly a fapman problem. If the suggested "apt-get -f install" doesn't help, I'm sure you'll find plenty of threads here helping you solve them :)

Go to repository settings and ensure that all of your repository urls start with lowercase "http" and not "Http".

I'll add an automatic check to do that in the future.

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager (Maemo5)
 

Go to repository settings and ensure that all of your repository urls start with lowercase "http" and not "Http".

I'll add an automatic check to do that in the future.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, worked like magic.

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Version 0.6.2

* try to fetch and show debian changelogs for packages from maemo.org
* show more package dependency information
* fixed: certain characters in depends/conflicts causes them to be cut in the UI
* warn about installing blacklisted packages as dependencies
* show download speed for package downloads
* enabled version-specific blacklisting for upgradeable packages
* some minor UI tweaks

At the moment it cannot be downloaded because the autobuilder is having problems uploading the package to the repository, but should become available after that is fixed.
Now available.

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager (Maemo5)
 

Something I was wondering: can Fapman update Fapman, or is it better to use the regular Apman (AKA Slapman) for that?

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager (Maemo5)
 

I´m updating Fapman with Fapman at least. :)

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I think its not very fortunate idea to use the wallpaper as background. I'm using this theme, and the 'bar' under the operator name is part of the wallpaper. Doesn't look very well in FAM. Also, the wallpaper gets scaled... Whats the problem using the HAM background picture? Not possible?

I think spending time on theme customization is quite useless. I don't want to set my custom background image for an application manager, I want it to look good and fit in by default. Just using the theme color for the background and having the default buttons look would be fine with me.

If big buttons look bad in QT, maybe file a bug? Although it can be a limitation of the GTK Hildon theme and its QT counterpart (which seems to be quite broken). I had similar problem with a progress bar. But I know at least one application, Mobile HotSpot, that has big-sized buttons that look well. Its probably using GTK though. Maybe using a different style for the buttons would be a solution? (Not sure how well would they look) Just call eg. button->setStyle(new QPlastiqueStyle);

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Yes it can be done.

All the post-removal script does is running update-sudoers, so (I assume) it should not fail on a correctly working system. Dpkg database/package info can get messed up though if dpkg has been forcibly aborted during installation at some point.

Since that version of fapman is no longer in the repos, I don't think you can try --reinstalling it...

What you could try, is removing /var/lib/dpkg/info/fapman.postrm and then fully removing the package with dpkg --purge fapman

That's actually how the program originally operated in the first versions... But doing everything on the same run is faster. And also your first priority should be trying to fix the errors, not to ignore them :)
Edit: I don't know if apt-get always follows this pattern, but usually it should process the packages in the following order anyway: download, remove, install.

No, if apt-get aborts on an error then it's not possible to continue. Forcing apt-get to ignore errors would probably be just asking for trouble.

Take a look at the HAM background images that come with the default themes... extreme ugliness in every other program except in what they were originally made for :rolleyes:

Thanks for the suggestions. However, I've decided not to touch the looks of the program for now... Because no matter what it looks like, there's always going to be someone who doesn't like it. I'd much rather concentrate on improving functionality. :rolleyes:

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I understand that you don't care for appearances more than content (good for you), but regarding the appearance I'd like to suggest this: Everyone makes sure their desktop looks nice and is readable - icons visible, links works, etc.

Wouldn't following desktop rules work just fine? For example, use buttons that are an extension of -say- links on desktop. Big picture, text on bottom, smaller. perhaps make buttons wider. The app will look just like a slightly modded desktop.

Just throwing it your way. Don't throw it back :o)

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager (Maemo5)
 

Minor annoyance:
-When searched app list contains 6 or less results it stops doing "spring" animation when you try to move list up or down.

.edit
And thanks for implementing changelog fetch!

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager (Maemo5)
 

Hmm.. for some reason I cannot upgrade anything with fapman. It finds the upgrades, but when trying to upgrade I get error and the log says that the package is already at latest version (which is not true). Upgrading via apt-get upgrade goes smooth.

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager (Maemo5)
 

I also had that error (sort of.. I forgot the error message) last week, including the previous Fapman update I believe.. so I used the default app manager for the updates, since then it's just working fine again in Fapman :)

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Next time that happens, please include the log in your posts :)

Also you could try if removing /opt/fapman-cache helps (make sure fapman is not running when you do that):
Oh, and by the way... Just to be sure, check your repository settings. At least with the default nokia repos and maemo.org repos everything should be written in lowercase. The text edit widget automatically uppercases the first letters in the current version and that can lead to problems...

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager (Maemo5)
 

With version 0.6.2 FAM is nearly perfect and so much better than HAM, thank you so much!

I only have a small feature request:
Could FAM start fetching the changelog already when the user clicks on an application to view the details? It would reduce the waiting time to load and display the changelog instead of doing all this only after the user has clicked on "Changes".
And maybe you can add an option to enable prefetching the changelog for all upgradeable packages (on the upgrade page)!?

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Yes, that would be easy to implement. I already considered that but then thought that maybe everyone doesn't want the changes to be fetched every time the package dialog is opened. Could make it an option though.

The fetching code is currently part of the package dialog and the changelogs aren't stored anywhere outside of that... So it would require more changes. The answer is maybe :)

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Happened again, cannot upgrade the power kernel. Here's the log:
And here's what apt-get says when ran manually:

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First of all thanks for this wonderful piece of software.

There are only two things I don't like very much in the GUI. First of all the wallpaper as a background, as mentioned before by some other users, but I also find that the automatic rotation is a bit messy, it even changes to portrait mode without moving the phone at all and then I have to shake it a few times to return to landscape.

My sensors appear to work right as I have tested them with HealthCheck.

Regards.

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Hi. Installed Offscreen Candle a while back. Now it doesn't show up in fapman for uninstall. HAM shows it. Clues?

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager (Maemo5)
 

Just reflashed the N900, and used fapman to install 150 packages in under 10 mins.

Thank you!

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Thanks, I've found a bug :)

The directory parameters aren't given correctly to apt-get if the option "autoremove" is not enabled in fapman settings. You can enable that as a workaround, I'll fix the bug for the next version.

The autorotation is what Qt gives you... You can disable it in the options.

It's an user/hidden category application and thus hidden on purpose. Nokia has removed the ability to handle user/hidden apps from apt-get.
Edit: It seems that they can be removed, but not installed/upgraded. I'll make them visible in the list of installed apps in some future version.

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager (Maemo5)
 

In fact the directory bug was bad enough to necessitate an immediate bugfix release:

Version 0.6.3

* fixed: directory parameters are not always correctly given to apt-get
* don't auto-capitalize in text inputs


If you're not able to do the update with fapman itself, enable autoremove option from the settings as a workaround. You can disable the option again if you wish after updating to 0.6.3.

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Weird i can´t upgrade to newest version.

ohmmm..no it´s not the newest version (0.6.2). It still shows fapman as upgradable but i´m not able to upgrade. This is weird.

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It takes a while for the autobuilder to upload the latest version to the repository (I hope it's not stuck again). Edit: It seems to be there

Also, see my reply to the previous poster who had an update problem - you might be encountering exactly the same bug that the latest version will fix :)
Edit: here is the workaround:
If you're not able to do the update with fapman itself, enable the autoremove option from the settings as a workaround. You can disable the option again if you wish after updating to 0.6.3.

Re: [Announce] Faster Application Manager (Maemo5)
 

I haven't used the FapMan for a couple of version numbers until now, and I must say that it is moving forward in leaps and bounds.

Thank you again for this lifesaver app! Go out and get yourself a pint on me. o/

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Thank you, I will :D

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I´m just fiddling around with UI layout and trying to maximize used pixels.

How about something like on attached picture.
- popup window title with app name and icon (app name currently two times)
- static area on right side so that there is more space for text, but on the other side it probably doesn´t wrap always so nicely.

.edit
Bug:
- Remove buttons right side not rounded.

..edit
- Static area should be right side and popup title
- Also for some reason i like how areas are divided in DropN900 with white line: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3589544/Drop...nshot-main.png
- And place to look for icons: http://openiconlibrary.sourceforge.net/

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I suspected that.

Anyway it's amazing how fast you have been able to achieve such a complete package manager for Maemo in Qt while we have been waiting for years (still waiting to see Muon) for a decent package manager for KDE Debian based distros.

And talking about Muon, are you using the libQApt whis is in development for Kubuntu or directly wrapping apt-get and dpkg commands?

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Just pondering here.

I can understand that upgrading apps on N900 takes a little bit time, but installing/searching them N900 has to first update package list (~5-9Mb stuff..IMO weird), then read it and show it.

So is it possible to make it:
- Use maemo.org/packages search
- Show results in list
- When user chooses packages and pushes go app downloads just debs and sends them to apt-get

So does it still need to upgrade catalogs for ALL aps before installing stuff for just one app? Because using server as search machine makes everything working as fast as stuff comes instantly from server side.

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Can I turn off automatic updating of catalogs?
When I want to install application, it updates catalogs. So why we have button "update catalogs" when it upading automaticaly? I have slow connetion, constant updating tiring me and I must use basic app man.

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Thanks! The buttons-on-the-right approach has one fatal flaw though: It does not work well for portrait mode. I guess it would be possible to make separate UIs (for that dialog) for landscape and portrait modes though.

The app name appears two times because the other is the package name and the other is the "display name". They can be different if the package has maemo-display-name defined, and I think it's important to show both.

I'm directly using the apt-get binary. Sure this approach has its flaws (I guess error handling for example could be done more elegantly with libraries...) but it seems to work well enough.

This sounds like an idea for a completely different application...

If by "constant" you mean every day (they are auto-updated if older than 24h) then that's intentional and cannot be currently turned off. If they get updated *every* time you install, then it's a bug. The button is there if you wish to update more often to check for new updates/applications. I could add an option to turn auto-updating off, but having old catalogs means you won't see new applications/updates and will also lead to errors if the older versions have been removed from the repositories.

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I don't think apt-get can deal with .deb files directly. And even if it could, you're likely to run into dependency issues if your package list isn't up-to-date with the package you're installing.

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i cant seem to find this by looking for fapman. i just lost all my application catalogues somehow so i just installed extras_devel and its not seeing it only synaptic manager can someone help?