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The instintiv shuffle works today. I'm almost sure I've test it yesterday and it didn't work.

Cool

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Hmm... sounds like another bug re cover art -- it's on the investigate list. Playlists are done, but we're still making some massive changes to our back end storage model.

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It's a data thing... so the quality may still be not great (read horrible). We're working on a server-side update that will allow to improve much faster in low data environments.

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Can't wait for the coming update...playlists is all i want i think.

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think it must be black magic, really, the things its pulling art up for are amazing, the metadata on my mp3's are dodgy at best (um, no idea why! :/ ) and even things which have never been on an album are returning art! one suprising example - downloaded an instrumental score from battlefield bad company (dont asj why!) and was amazed when it provided a screenshot from the game as album art.

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Haha. Nice. Automatically fixing metadata is next on the list. We have the ability to do it now, it's just a question of UI though. Every system has a failure rate and getting the wrong artwork from time to time is only mildly irritating. Getting your songs renamed to something unrecognizable is actually really really bad. So any ideas on how to do this *smoothly* would are very welcome.

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really? more black magic! :D once u've got that up and running perhaps u could implement a winning lotto number generator, or just standard genie 3 wishes protocol?

cant believe your not even accepting donations either, is there a hidden eula where we sold you our souls by using this program? :O :P

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oh and as for ui suggestions - perhaps approve metadata changes before they take effect? with sorting by most important field first (eg change of song title or artist top, genre bottom of list) or most drastic changes first (eg from the police to sting top, and from guns n roses to guns 'n' roses bottom) and an option to just implement all automatically?

failing that i suggest more wizardry and hocus pocus please! :D

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The way we look at it is that getting feedback and an opportunity to improve the app is far more valuable than any money we'd make in the interim :)

PS: We'll probably have to have one eventually but I generally don't like EULAS. There's no way on the planet the average user can be expected to read *and* understand what an army of lawyers wrote so it's pretty friggen unfair. And in answer to your query, yes we now own your soul ;)

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That's not a bad idea but here's the problem. If you have even a thousand songs, going through all the corrections (or even going through them as the individual songs play) is either a pain or it largely negates the value of fixing the metadata -- namely the ability to quickly find what you're looking for with fuzzy search -- which we're about to roll out as well...

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ahh thats where the strategic sorting and option to auto accept all other changes. okay bit of a pain at first but if u approve or deny major changes until they appear to be semantic or reasonably trivial then hit auto accept then it shouldn't be too bad. would also need an "ignore for now" option for when u just wanna hear music without the hassle. that said i'm sure there are better solutions, this's jus my humble suggestion. :)

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Have you ever heard of Mussorgsky, a program that displays a list of art results and let you choose the art? Isn't this the best possible way to satisfy everyone's demand?

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This is the only app I am actually excited for. Peter is there a master list of coming features you could put up? That way I don't have to harass you so much?

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Next up project for Peter: A picture viewer that scroll a la Apple album art view UI. No one has ever created that for N900. We need something that makes viewing pictures better than just a flat scroller. A 3 dimensional picture viewer.

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Are people looking for the ability to edit the tags themselves, or for instinctiv to do it for them ? It seems to me that the former would be most useful, allowing any changes you like, and only those changes, while the latter would have to work by magic - to guess what that track really is, and would require, presumably, the user confirmation previously discussed...

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It has this humongous limitation of only allowing me to choose from what it believes to be right. To work in real life, it has to be paired with a tag editor, an organizer, who knows what, and it's neigh-unusable for large lists because of that.

I really like it, but if you have a typo in your song tag, or a bad tag, missing, ambiguous, etc, it's dead.

Too bad. Mighty useful in small quantities. It takes about 3000 times less time to move all data to a PC, re-tag it and put it back, which takes time, effort, and has the distinct disadvantage of pre-selecting songs, pre-ordering them and loses mobility.

Last I checked, it also lacks mass corrections. One can't auto-apply the same art to several songs in the same album. I did check a while ago, though.

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Haha, thanks for the encouragement -- it's what keeps us going. Once we get a proper site up and running I think posting the roadmap might be cool. That said, we're fairly user-driven so the stuff requested in this thread is what's at the top of our list. There are at least three "surprises" though:
- auto correcting data
- over the air song recognition (like if hear a song on the radio and you want to know what it's called)
- wireless, two way sync (so you can play all the songs on your desktop and any songs you add or playlists you change on your mobile will propagate back to your desktop)

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It's got a nice looking UI... still a lot of work for the user though to approve changes to a large (or even mid-sized) library.

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yup i think they're suggesting more magic! i actually think it'd be much more useful to let instinctiv do it. even with a pc and only editing major/useful metadata tags it still takes forever! trust me i've tried it. i wouln't even attempt to do it on my n900. after seeing what they've managed to do with the auto album art i have faith in their magic tricks! :)

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Yup, we're all about the magic :P

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Are you incorporate radio into the program?

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Then bring it on ! Personally, I'd still like the ability to manually edit even magically updated tags... :)

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Not yet. Our intention for now is to let you identify a song that could be playing on the radio (or in a movie, or on tv) by holding your phone up to the sound for a few seconds. Then we'll tell you what that song is called and who the artist is.

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When will we get the next update?

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You're kiddin'? I never seen anything like that...if it works...it's another amazing tool because i always want to know what song is playing and who is the artist playing on radio.

It sounds like you have something big up your sleeve...are you planning to take over the world? SOON?

OH...btw, when is lyrics being added. Is that at the bottom of the list?

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theres premium phne numbers that will do it and text you the song, also works on grand theft auto 4 (get the number for zit! off the radio or a billboard and call it, rather cool!) but having it for free as part of a media player would just be awesomeness, and in v2 the magic really shows when they teleport the artist into ur living room to play the song live for you! :D

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But he said holding the phone up to the sound for a few seconds. It sounds like the phone can detect the song.

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i imagine it'll be a network feature, not actually expecting the phone to know every song ever locally. or more hous pocus!

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Haha, glad you guys are so excited -- we've worked hard on this. Basically, the way it works is you record 5-10 seconds of audio, we analyze it on the server and return the title, artist, album and artwork for the song.

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So the deal with lyrics is that there are legal issues (which I think is just more evidence that lawyers should be made illegal). We probably won't be able to offer it as a free feature since we'll have to pay the rights owners :( At the moment, we're trying to deliver as much free functionality as we can so it's on the list but not at the top.

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We're currently testing a slew of bug fixes and playlists. Assuming all goes well, we'll submit an update to ovi tomorrow or the day after. Nokia takes about a week to then deliver that update publicly, but we'll also post the update for those who can't wait in the forum :)

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Why can't it be legal since you're not selling the products to make money. You're doing this for fun and personal use. You can put it here for download rather than at Ovi store. Just like all the emulators out there that allow you to play old classic console games. They're illegal to use but its illegality is up to the users, not the one who put them up.

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FGS! My operator has this service for SEVERAL years.

Back in topic, i wanna thanks all Instinctiv team for this app and their hard work, i know for sure that i will become a amazing player in a short time. Also i want to know if there's an official TO-DO list, just curious if you are considering implement an equalizer. is a must for me (have symfonie installed only for this feature)

And sending a bug: i have the first album of Justice in MP3, wich album name is tagged as † (ALT+0134 i think). The songs are recogniced for the player when i choose sort by tracks or artist, but when i go to album list, album appears (even the little blue circle shows a 13 for the number of tracks) but there's no one song. i click and it shows nothing. Weird :confused:

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If I can get smoother scrolling, choice of album art, less cpu usage and lag it would be my primary player. Im looking forward to the improvements in the future

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How about embedded synchronyzed lyrics? I save mine in ID3v2. Most of my songs have them. It'd be great. No legal implications for you.

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I promise smoother scrolling, less cpu usage and lag :). Choice of album art may be off boarded to the desktop player but we have made a final decision yet.

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We can definitely do that. However, most people don't have lyrics in their id3 tags though so we're going to have to figure something out for the rest of us as well... this wouldn't be a bad first step though :)

PS: Can you send me a sample file with embedded lyrics to peter a† instinctiv.com? Thanks!

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Sent. (pad pad pad)

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is the update still set for today?

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There's still a weird crasher. We're trying to get to the bottom of it. Hopefully tomorrow. On the plus side a large number of other crashers have been quashed.