Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

i have 2 queries/suggestions:
1. i posted this already but can the keyboard colour be changed to grey or white, because currently it's almost invisible in sunlight
2. why is the portrait kb so small? the landscape goes almost to the top of the screen while the portrait goes halfway. i think it's best not going all the way to the top, but it should be higher so the keys aren't so squashed.

also, will it ever load faster? it's not terrible right now but it is sluggish, and 'portrait keyboard' in devels, although never finished, was pretty fast to open up

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Can you make it look like the keyboard in opera mobile? looks really great!!

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*Sigh* This keyboard uses your system's theme. If you don't like the darkness of the buttons, get a lighter theme. And no I hope for my own sake that this doesn't look like the Opera keyboard. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad keyboard - it is pretty nice - but it's not the greatest thing in the world like some people seem to irrationally worship it for being.

Because that's just what hildon-input-method does when the window under it is forced into portrait mode by the rotation of the vkb, but wouldn't be able to rotate normally. Enable rotation in an app you're using the vkb in, then open up the vkb and use it in portrait. It should go all the way up to the almost top when you do that. This has nothing to do with his vkb - if you use the CSSU and force auto-rotation everywhere, you'll see the stock vkb does the same thing in portrait. Scrunches at the bottom.

That's because 'portrait keyboard' was JUST a vkb - this launches the entire FastSMS app. Now, I would think the best solution is slowly splitting the FastSMS package set into three distinct packages - the keyboard-needed files, the settings/configuration package, and FastSMS itself. When FastSMS would be installed it would pull the other two (and use them as widgets within itself), when FastSMSEvo is installed, it would pull in just the settings ui package.

Beyond that you can also make it preload itself on boot, which means slower initial boot time, but most people wouldn't mind. The next difficulty is the swapping i/o one, where if the vkb is swapped, and you're trying to open in when it's in swap, there's i/o collisions and it slows down, so you'd see speed ups with, say, the various kernel/vm tweaks available, swap relocation to microSD, and the like. But those are entirely outside the realm of the keyboard. Alternatively this plugin would have to force the kernel to not swap it out, which is of questionable okay-ness for every user, not to mention probably difficult to do from within Qt.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

ok, my main problem with this app is that it overrides the dial pad in the phone application. Or rather, you can't see the number dialled unless you click in the box and wait for the keyboard textbox to appear

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Slight bug but its one i dontmindliving with. Tbh I dont find myself consistently touching the text box whenim typing in a number so it isnt really a problem for me.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Neither do i, the problem really is you can't tell if you dial a number wrong. So you have to dial it, tap the box, wait for it to open, check it's correct, tap outside, wait for it to rotate twice which it always does when closing the portrait kb, and then press call. Very cumbersome

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

So this thing cannot be implemented system wide?

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

it is system wide

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

what I mean is for it to show up even in web browsing mode. Heck even come in horizontal mode when it is needed. Simply put, to get away with the generic virtual keyboard.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Errrm mate. This is a system wide keyboard :P

It works everywhere minus a few places where there might be a couple of bugs.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Perhaps I did not make myself clear. Say you're about to send a text and the generic virtual keyboard is active, you know the moment you tap on that space to type the virtual keyboard pops up. Now, if you turn off the virtual keyboard in order to use fastsms keyboard, this does not happen. You'd have to MANUALLY select fastsms to send such a text.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Manually select what? You click on the text box with the hardware keyboard closed, and boom, FastSMSEvo keyboard pops up. It can be a tad slower to pop up than the native one, but barely.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

No you don't. You are using fastsmsEVO, right? FastSMS is just an app, FastSMSEvo is sytem-wide vkb that overrides the default nokia one

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Ok. Maybe I am doing something wrong. I installed both the fastsms and the fastsmsevo. Then I disabled the generic nokia virtual keyboard in the setting. but when I tab on blank spot to type, the keyboard does not show. Could you kindly instruct me on what I need to know to get it to work? Thanks.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Actually, you're supposed to enable the Nokia virtual keyboard in settings and this should bring up the FastSMS keyboard. Once you click on a blank spot, it will take a while to load the FastSMS keyboard the first time (maybe even a minute or two) and every time you reboot.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Alrgh, I finally got it too work but how do we get it the word prediction to come on?

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

sorry guys, but I'm really busy in this period (yes,again :( )

I'm working on it right now...hope to fix some basic problems

Edit: what "bada blows" and "bada rox" means in tag area?

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Eyy, theres no need to rush. Real life is more important than making/updating apps :P

We shall still be her waiting for ur update, no matter how long it takes :P

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Eheh, thank you godofwar424!

I just uploaded a new version of fastsms: 0.5-6 (it will take some minutes to be available) with some fixes:

* auto-change kb layout based on preferences and orientation: from option menu you can choose which keyboard layout you prefer for landscape and portait orientation.

* added 'option' and 'new word' to menu (for use with fastsmsevo): so you can add new word from the vkb. New words are saved immediately

* Improved button sensibility: this is perhaps the major fix. Checking the kb is more explanatory than every words :)

Please consider this release as a "half-release": I know that while in landscape, with alphanumeric layout, no all menu voice are accesible...and there are some bugs like the one below

EDIT: When you insert a new word, text isn't commited

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

There are some answer to old post...

Enter-key for microb: I'm planning something like a green check when vkb is used is microb, this is

possible but not so easy...

This is impossible because the vkb doesn't know where puts text you typed!!!

@Alfred: thank you for russian layout! I will add this one asap!

@richwhite: I've experienced your problem only when fastsmsevo is at first start: tap on a text field,

close the application (for example conversation) and then wait...are you in this case? However you can

send me logs file. Please check if there are sensible data before send
As Mentalist Traceur said, Fastsms takes buttons color from theme and load time is quite long because it

have to load all the dictionary in memory, others vkb haven't this task on boot time

Do this happen in all sites or only in some? I never had this problem...Please consider also that low

level code, like the one that show the vkb, is the same of the standard one.

I think not, but I will try to convert it...

@Mentalist Traceur: a big big thank you for all answer in old post!

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Would it replace a button? (Perhaps make it as a separate widget? So that it doesn't take up any of the other buttons on the VKB? *Shrug* I mean, I like using the Enter key as right now, it works almost exactly like a normal enter key. Of course, if in some cases it also just closed the vkb and committed the text including enter key, instead of just adding a newline to the text-to-be-committed, it would be more convenient for most users. *Shrug*

I just don't want the Enter key going away or having changed functionality in most windows - however, as I've advocated just about whenever I've spoken up, if it can be a settings option either way.. :D

My personal argument is that this should be addressed at the UI level for a bunch of programs. Like, in FApMan, you don't have a text box, but you can bring it up by pressing search in the menu options, then click on it with the keyboard in to bring up the vkb. So you can still search everything just fine.

I should've gotten around to this, but I'm glad Alfred did. Alfred, you have my thanks as well.

Question: You have two more rows worth of possible keys you can add - 123+' and 123+'+Shift - any intention of ever opening those up?

If the .docs don't work out for you, I can do my best to copy his layout into something UTF-16 compatible, I just don't know what to save it in. I have FreOffice on my N900, LibreOffice (OpenOffice fork) on my laptop, and can also save type it into something very simple like vi - not sure how to specify character encoding that way though.

No need to thank me. I'm just doing my best out of what I can do, in lieu of actual Qt skills to help on the coding side.

- Edit -

Installed latest FastSMS update, I like the availability of adding words from within the vkb, though I haven't had occasion to try it yet. I also love that you got around to implementing that suggestion I made a long time about configuring orienation layout preferences.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

any plan to fix the duplicate symbol in this apps???
you should fix it by adding new symbol & replace the duplicate symbol....

also by any chance in near future u might considering adding two more button....

1.enter button (so we dont need to press the blur space to enter the word)....
2.copy & paste button (really important for copying text & links for easy typing)....

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

I've just uploaded vers 0.5-7. This one fixes problem related to new word dialog.

@pusak gaoq
'&' already exists: only it isn't displayed (near '=') and I don't know why.
1 - perhaps in future, as I said before, the main problem is "where?"
2 - 'copy & paste' will appears in future

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Thank You guys for appreciating the stuff.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Yeah! If a 'green check' will appears it will not replace the actual return button!

We can try using shortcutd and a d-bus signal (vkb is displayed thougth it) but I think that nothing will happens...

I want to change shift behaviour like you said, remove 'abc' 'Abc' etc voices from menu and add a new one for symbol and smile, both in qwerty and in alphanum.

I will try to use the file from Alfred...then I will give you some feedback

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

That's great to hear about the green check and about the shift key, as well as about upcoming Copy+Paste. Might I ask how the copy paste is going to be implemented? (If you just implement normal selection, you can just add a Ctrl key and support standard Ctrl-C Ctrl-X and Ctrl-V combinations, as well as others like Ctrl-Y/Ctrl-Z for redo/undo respectively, etc. If going that route, see next paragraph)

Personally, I think a Tab or Ctrl key might be more useful than smilies, but that's depending on the user. Alternatively, the Tab key could easily be mapped to one of the 123 layout keys, instead of having a dedicated key.

Speaking of which, perhaps the 123 button could work like the Shift key as well - single press to pull the next key from the 123 layer, double press to lock to the 123 layer - so shift+123 makes the next letter from the 123+shift layer, but the rest of the following letters are the normal ones. 123+shift+shift locks shift but does only the next character from 123... Actually that's not necessarily as convenient for the users, so you could put 123 key behavior (and while you're at it Shift key behavior) into settings as well, between the way they work now and the way you're intending to implement the shift thing. (If you make a Ctrl key, the same thing would probably be great for that too.)

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Bugreport.
I think there is a problem with FastSMSevo and Nokia Pure font.
I have installed and activated Nokia Pure font thou Theme Customizer.
Now FastSMSevo doesnt start then I touch textareas.

If I switch back to Nokia Sans font, it works again.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Yeah! Nice idea!

Thank you for your post, I will check this.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Hello.
Some feedback.
I have used FastSMSevo for a few weeks now. And its very often I get repeated characters when using Qwerty. Maybe a few milliseconds of delay before you can typ the same character again will eliminate unwanted double characters.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

this keyboard pops up randomly, if youve already typed some words, they disappear

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

BUG FOUND: With the latest CSSU update. Whene you type a word using the T9 and then press space, the word u just typed becomes invisible :S

The word is still there but its like the font colour changes to white?? :S

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

This also happens in SpeedCrunch. I think it is connected with the new Qt?

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Hi,

Is it possible that you are goining to make a virtual keyboard like iphone and Opera 11? Just a keyboard (ui)
You got my respects for what you have done allready!

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

I confirm this problem.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Wel if that is the case, then hopefully all the creator of FastSMS has to do is update his Qt used to create the app and it should fix the problem :)

Stupid version incompabilities...

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

If Fastsms is a Qt app, and Qt allows for easier creation of nice UIs, is there any chance Fastsmsevo will get a UI update at some point? I appreciate it isn't the main thing right now and that other things require precedence, but is it at least on the roadmap?

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

i confirm this problem also...

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

What is wrong with the UI?

You arent being very helpful! Explain your request more throughly!

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

A lot of people have said they don't like the UI of it and one of the most popular requests on this forum is a keyboard like Opera

Anyway, as you asked, my own issues with it are:
1) it changes with themes. This is problematic for me because i like dark themes, and using this in sunlight using a dark theme is almost impossible.
2) the letters and icons are too small, which exacerbates problem 1). Maybe if they were much bigger within the button they would be easier to see - like WP7's or Maemo's default keyboard, very flat looking vkb, solid black, but the letters themselves are chunky, not pencil-thin like fastsmsevo.
3) the erase button would look better as a back arrow rather than an actual eraser (IMO)
4) I understand it's not possible to make the fastsmsevo box smaller in portrait, that's fine, but there's a discrepancy with how much space there is and how much is taken up by keyboard. In other words, can the keys be made bigger? This would look more appealing and this would help problems 1) and 2)

That's all i really think would be helpful. I don't think a keyboard needs all the crackle and pop of a hover mode etc, just something that looks appealing and can be used outdoors under sunlight.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] FastSMSEvo: system virtual keyboard T9/Qwerty
 

Now thats much better for the developer to have a look at :)

The key sizing issue should be easy to fix just a simple font adjustment.

The making it look like opera, well I am not sure but tbh I dont care much for the opera keyboard and I think the QWERTY layout is fine atm.

The theme thing well I am sure the developer could add a way for us to select the theme is uses :)