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NvyUs 2011-05-13 21:50
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iTS NOT MeeGo compliant you ****ing stupid idiot, the ****ing packaging breaks compliance plain and simple as well as other stuff. ****
Same as WeTab OS is not MeeGO but is more so than Maemo 6 hit him someone , I'm having a nervous breakdown.

quingu 2011-05-13 22:05
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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tPtBLqGpyP...ng_popcorn.jpg

NvyUs 2011-05-13 22:09
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I'm off to buy a iPhone :rolleyes:

mikecomputing 2011-05-13 22:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1005809)
iTS NOT MeeGo compliant you ****ing stupid idiot, the ****ing packaging breaks compliance plain and simple as well as other stuff. ****
Same as WeTab OS is not MeeGO but is more so than Maemo 6 hit him someone , I'm having a nervous breakdown.
For freak sake give me fact about what packets is not compliant!

you still dont give me facts!

Bernard 2011-05-13 22:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1005795)
Nokia are going to have a marketing Nightmare if its not accepted as MeeGo so.
I don't see why. MeeGo has virtually no users, almost no hardware (apart from a Fujitsu netbook and the WeTab), and few hardware manufacturers that support it now that nokia has ditched it.
The current MeeGo software images are just not ready for end-users yet, and the development platform based on Qt Quick has only just been released, no very few developers and applications.

So if Nokia can't use MeeGo, they will just use the name Maemo 6 again. It currently probably is a stronger brand anyway, since maemo does have users and does have applications.

But it probably would be a pride issue, not being able to use the MeeGo brand that they are co-founder of, very embarrassing.

In any case, I have more confidence in a Maemo derived OS than the current meego builds. So I don't care how they will be branding it. If the device is nice, the software works and the price is right, it will be my next phone.

AndyNokia232 2011-05-13 23:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zymo (Post 1005516)
there is no physical button on the front. Look here is another Image showing the device in potrait-mode.
I'm looking forward to it, it DOES look sexy. At last, a phone I can pull out in the pub and not be laughed at! PLUS if it has all or most of what makes the N900 amazing (i.e. Maemo5 now 6), then I'll amaze them twice! I can't wait. :)

kojacker 2011-05-14 01:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1005806)
Can all those people here tell me why its not Meego? What is Meego for you guys!?
From initial discussions it was believed to be 'Maemo6' (or what was to be Maemo6/Harmattan) with a MeeGo compatibility layer on top of it. In my view it's similar to how running an Android app in Alien Davlik (whatever happened to that?) on a N900 doesnt make Maemo into Android, or running a Symbian app in the simulator on your Windows PC doesnt suddenly give you a Symbian OS'd PC. You might run a Windows application using Wine on your Linux PC, but you wouldnt call it a Windows PC. I would have to agree with NvyUs that there is a clear distinction.

MeeGo has specific requirements to be MeeGo, and imo that doesnt stop at the application layer but further down through the software stack and, as pointed out earlier, includes packaging. Which is why Nokia is in discourse regarding the eligibility of claiming the handset is a MeeGo handset. As for providing 'facts', that's a tall order - we'll have to wait until the device is released to learn more about what's running inside it. Then the MeeGo name guardians will need to work out where exactly the line is drawn between what is a MeeGo/a MeeGo compatible/or some other variant of the OS. Whatever they decide is what we'll all have to accept as fact if we agree with them or not :o

maluka 2011-05-14 01:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1005820)
I'm off to buy a iPhone :rolleyes:
http://www.patwreck.com/wordpress/wp...sonPopcorn.gif

gleydsonpr 2011-05-14 05:37
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Originally Posted by The Wizard of Huz (Post 1005602)
None. Not with a combination of 32Gb + microsd card. I searched for it. The only thing that comes close is iPhone which comes without a sd card slot, no usb OTG and all the drawbacks of a closed system.
N900 can actually have over 500 GB storage with a USG HD connected plus 32 GB card.

About the other post; Is really 32GB of ram on the iPhone??

onethreealpha 2011-05-14 05:51
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not sure if this one has already been posted, but for those who might want a quick video of the "N9" this seems to show the HDMI port at the bottom of the phone as well as a few quick glimpses of the ui

linky


think I'll have mine in black please.....

HellFlyer 2011-05-14 05:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1005946)
not sure if this one has already been posted, but for those who might want a quick video of the "N9" this seems to show the HDMI port at the bottom of the phone as well as a few quick glimpses of the ui

linky
Ewww looks at his nails :D besides I think its a KIRF , doesn't look like Nokia at all

onethreealpha 2011-05-14 06:10
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hard to say.
the rounded back threw me, because it's a very Sony Ericsson style, however the sloped corners are similar to a lot of design styling that's playing out on current and upcoming Nokia handsets.

geohsia 2011-05-14 06:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gleydsonpr (Post 1005942)
About the other post; Is really 32GB of ram on the iPhone??
Sorry, was a typo. It's just storage, but it does come with ponies and unicorns.

mece 2011-05-14 06:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 1005955)
Sorry, was a typo. It's just storage, but it does come with ponies and unicorns.
I wonder why they put in ponies tho. seems kinda redundant when you also have the far superior unicorns included. I'd swap all those ponies for just one pegasus any day!

geohsia 2011-05-14 07:00
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Originally Posted by mece (Post 1005960)
I wonder why they put in ponies tho. seems kinda redundant when you also have the far superior unicorns included. I'd swap all those ponies for just one pegasus any day!
iPhone 5 will include punigases that transform to your equine of choice (though if you want your pegasus in white you have to wait 6 months). Swappable battery still not included.

evan 2011-05-14 07:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1005946)
not sure if this one has already been posted, but for those who might want a quick video of the "N9" this seems to show the HDMI port at the bottom of the phone as well as a few quick glimpses of the ui

linky


think I'll have mine in black please.....
fake, although I would welcome the addition of hardware keys for answering / rejecting calls as this one.
not the N9 we are waiting for...

Val Demar 2011-05-14 07:30
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Will it be able to run Maemo 5 apps? Capacitive screen and battery life like on the N8? ATT 3G? Good camera? Built in VoIP and Skype support? MicroB? MicroSD slot? Flash 10? If yes to all, where do I sign up?

m4r0v3r 2011-05-14 09:44
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maybe we'll get good skype support since microsoft owns skype now

chrisp7 2011-05-14 10:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1006016)
maybe we'll get good skype support since microsoft owns skype now
And what do Microsoft have to do with Meego/Maemo 6;)

sjgadsby 2011-05-14 10:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Val Demar (Post 1005977)
Will it be able to run Maemo 5 apps?
Harmattan is hardfp, so Maemo 5 applications will require recompilation, at a minimum, before they will run. The exception is Python applications, which should run as soon as Python is available.

LTman 2011-05-14 10:34
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ok so i am to lazy to read 30 pages so where the images that everybody is crowing on about are they the same images that look uncannily like the e7 or are they different
link pleeeeeeeeeeeease

LTman 2011-05-14 10:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 1006043)
Harmattan is hardfp, so Maemo 5 applications will require recompilation, at a minimum, before they will run. The exception is Python applications, which should run as soon as Python is available.
What about those written in qt
and the upcoming device n9 or n950 or whatever what kind of package is it going to use deb or rpm

humble 2011-05-14 10:42
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Originally Posted by LTman (Post 1006045)
What about those written in qt
and the upcoming device n9 or n950 or whatever what kind of package is it going to use deb or rpm
the upcoming device will be using rpm. so what ever your application is, whether its a binary or a script, C or Qt, you put in in ".rpm".

sjgadsby 2011-05-14 10:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LTman (Post 1006045)
What about those written in qt
At a minimum, they will need to be recompiled, unless they are written in Python.

Quote:
and the upcoming device n9 or n950 or whatever what kind of package is it going to use deb or rpm
DEB

tswindell 2011-05-14 10:48
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Harmatten is Deb/Debian based.

humble 2011-05-14 10:50
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http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guid...ing_Guidelines

Edit sorry here :https://meego.com/about/faq
Code:
Q Will MeeGo use .rpm or .deb as its packaging system?
    MeeGo will use the .rpm format.

tswindell 2011-05-14 10:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by humble (Post 1006051)
Did you not understand that Harmatten isn't really MeeGo? It has APIs similar, but it isn't based on MeeGo core at all. So that link is useless.

humble 2011-05-14 10:58
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Originally Posted by tswindell (Post 1006052)
Did you not understand that Harmatten isn't really MeeGo? It has APIs similar, but it isn't based on MeeGo core at all. So that link is useless.
well since its useless, could you find me one of use?

LTman 2011-05-14 10:59
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OK now we have cleared the package issue if the device is maemo6/harmattany kinda device its gonna use debs if it is meego it will use rpms
ok what about the imaged
links please

LTman 2011-05-14 11:03
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OK now we have cleared the package issue if the device is maemo6/harmattany kinda device its gonna use debs if it is meego it will use rpms
ok what about the images & vids links please :cool:
okay what about us n900 users will we be able to run apps written for harmatten/meego

tswindell 2011-05-14 11:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LTman (Post 1006054)
OK now we have cleared the package issue if the device is maemo6/harmattany kinda device its gonna use debs if it is meego it will use rpms
ok what about the imaged
links please
It isn't MeeGo, if it was MeeGo Nokia wouldn't be having problems branding it as such. The fact it uses debian packages is probably one of the largest issues with it getting a MeeGo badge. All of this information has been discussed in great length on the meego and maemo mailing lists as well as talk.maemo.org ..

tswindell 2011-05-14 11:12
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FYI, http://www.mwkn.net/2011/19/front.html

humble 2011-05-14 11:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LTman (Post 1006056)
okay what about us n900 users will we be able to run apps written for harmatten/meego
no. because it will have to be recompiled if it was compiled, but if it is a script(bash,python,etc) then just hacked(if needed) then repackaged.

m4r0v3r 2011-05-14 11:20
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Not much but as they are Nokias partners they wouldnt mind letting nokia implementing skype just like Microsoft are going to use Ovi maps

tswindell 2011-05-14 11:24
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Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1006064)
Not much but as they are Nokias partners they wouldnt mind letting nokia implementing skype just like Microsoft are going to use Ovi maps
As part of Nokia & Microsoft partnership, they've agreed to share IP and aspects of their patent portfolios. This will hopefully definitely work in both companies advantages and I'm sure Nokia will get a good deal on integrating with MS services like exchange and (now) skype. This should also, hopefully, not be limited to WP7 but also benifit existing and future Symbian devices (and hopefully MeeGo & Harmattan).

geohsia 2011-05-14 11:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tswindell (Post 1006066)
As part of Nokia & Microsoft partnership, they've agreed to share IP and aspects of their patent portfolios. This will hopefully definitely work in both companies advantages and I'm sure Nokia will get a good deal on integrating with MS services like exchange and (now) skype. This should also, hopefully, not be limited to WP7 but also benifit existing and future Symbian devices (and hopefully MeeGo & Harmattan).
That sounds great. I feel like the N900 already has one of the best Skype implementations around since it's not a separate app like it is on other platforms. The fact that it's fully integrated into the phone is great, also no Wifi to 3G connection issues like you see with the iPhone (though not sure if that is currently still a limitation for Apple).

It can only get better on the N9/50 right?

LTman 2011-05-14 11:39
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do you think that bill gates will suffer a morale crisis about all the livesd he destroyed and all system admin that suffered nervous breakdoowns because of his companies software then declare all code owned by microsoft open source and re-assign all of his programers to developing any open source project they like
what just wishful thinking

cheve 2011-05-14 12:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gleydsonpr (Post 1005942)
N900 can actually have over 500 GB storage with a USG HD connected plus 32 GB card.

About the other post; Is really 32GB of ram on the iPhone??
I was able to connect a 750GB drive AND a flash memory card reader at the same time via h.e.n. with a powered hub, so I think it is doable to give 4TB of storage(with a 4-ports hub):)

mikecomputing 2011-05-14 12:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by evan (Post 1005968)
fake, although I would welcome the addition of hardware keys for answering / rejecting calls as this one.
not the N9 we are waiting for...
Personally I think it is. but if not, what is it then? :P

update: dumb me I should have readed the youtube comments :0

mikecomputing 2011-05-14 12:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 1006043)
Harmattan is hardfp, so Maemo 5 applications will require recompilation, at a minimum, before they will run. The exception is Python applications, which should run as soon as Python is available.
pyside (python for QT) is not in core Meego atleast not yet.

maybe harmattan will have it, but if they have it, people here will start to whine even more that harmattan is not Meego and "we should not support it"

btw. MeegoN900de is also using hardfp. soo it should be that hard port apps now :)


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