Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

you really shouldn't change categories once the competition has started.

For example I haven't added my apps to list, since I'm waiting for the real submission page to open before doing so.

Edit: but having said that, it might be true that navigation category might be lacking entries. So as long as there is common agreement, then I don't mind. I just don't want to see 100 pages of "what if / unfair rule changes etc."-emails which could appear after the competition voting has ended.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

I'd agree in general with you rainisto, however in this instance it might be the best action to take.

It's really no good to the competition to have allocated 4-6 prizes to a category if we can't get atleast the same amount of entries. It doesn't benefit us organising it or the folks taking part, I don't want to be in the situation were we have prizes not handed out. You can imagine the problems then of trying to assign whatever prizes is left over after the competition has ended amongst the other entries.. somehow. It would be a bickering match similar to the community awards :p So yep you're right it's not ideal to change categories, on the other hand it may still be the best course of action. It's still early in the competition, i don't think we'd be inconveniencing anyone too much at this early stage.

Right now we have 10 "Games, Graphics, and Multimedia" entries and 0 "Location and Navigation" entries. So playing out the scenario in our heads - if we split "Games" and merge "Location" with ".. Graphics and Multimedia".

• marmistrz and ivanph's entries (for example, sorry to pick on you guys :) ) are music related and could (if they agree) go into "Location, Graphics, and Multimedia". That would give:
  
• 8 in "Games"
  2 in "Location, Graphics, and Multimedia"
  
• All 10 entries have right away increased their chances of winning a prize as there's now less competition in their own category, the competition benefits as no category remains empty, and there's still a home for everyone who wants to take part..

It's win-win all round I think.

Ok that's understandable rainisto and fair enough :) And I'm pleased you'll be taking part, genuinely I'm looking forward to seeing what you have for us :)

At the same time, as you can see from the stuff at above, it's really helpful for us organising the competition to know if people are interested and which categories they are interested in. Right now the wiki table is the only way of doing that.

If there's anyone who hasn't added their entry because maybe they feel the application name gives too much information away (or they simply haven't thought of one yet) you can still register your interest in the wiki table. Even if all the details aren't complete yet it's helpful for us, for example

It's enough to let us know someone's planning to enter that category.

Right! My brain couldn't take the headache :p

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

wow, another 60 EUR donation by ljo!
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Codi...ity_Prize_Fund

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

I've tried to read the rules, but I'm still not certain of this:

if I want to participate in the competition, can I publish my application in Nokia store during the competition? Or does it need to be competition exclusive and only published in Nokia store after the competition has finished?

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Hi ajalkane, you're right it doesn't mention anything in the rules about Nokia store. You're free to publish your application to wherever you like :)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

The "Summer'12 Device Program" (sponsored by Nokia) has 100 Nokia N9/N950 devices, where 74 are already allocated, and there are still some great developers (authors of great projects) without any devices (from the awards).

For example, the authors of :
- Inception (author isnotabigtruck) has easily opened Harmattan to almost the same level of Fremantle, allowing overclocking, chroot (Easy Debian, Harmattan SDK, etc), running C-compiled softwares (.o), etc. Inception is cited everywhere in Internet.. And I won't upgrade to PR1.3 if a new version Inception isn't released;
- NITDroid for Harmattan (author eyes) allows to run Android 4.0 on Nokia N9/N950 in dual boot with open mode kernel. NITDroid makes Nokia N9 more popular as the NITDroid forum has approx. 2.5 thousand registered users, NITDroid was and is well cited all over Internet;
- Easy Debian/HarmChom for Harmattan (author qole) allows to run Debian inside Harmattan using chroot (with open mode kernel or inception), including OpenOffice with virtual keyboard, etc. OpenOffice opens in 10 s !
- maybe other projects like overclocking, etc, if their authors haven't yet won any award device.

I propose that these projects and authors can be allowed to participate in the "2012 Coding Competition" in some way or another :
- because they couldn't fit in "Apps for Nokia Store" and "Qt5 Mobile Projects" acitivities, and they weren't awarded in the "Community Awards";
- even if the softwares aren't a single .deb because they are complex projects that deal with low-level tricks of the Harmattan OS;
- because these projects are very important to thousands of Harmattan users, their existence and popularity in Internet shows how Harmattan is a lot different/better than other mobile OS.

IMHO, the above authors/projects would be put in a special category (hors-concours) of "2012 Coding Competition" and receive their N9/N950 as soon as possible (in July) to boost their projects development, with the simple condition that they say they will continue developing their projects.

It would be total non-sense to have 100 Nokia devices as awards and the most popular/breakthrough coding projects (NITDroid, Inception, Easy Debian, etc) for Harmattan without any device award.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Everyone's welcome to take part and earn a prize rcolistete, but we'll not be treating anyone as a special case.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

@rcolistete: a substantial upgrade from previous releases to qualify for entry to the 'Updates to existing applications', so they are free to participate if you release a substatial upgrade to their software. And IF "The applications have to run on default hardware running on an official version of Maemo or Harmattan.". Unfortunately that rule might be hard to fulfill (at least the install instructions will be so long that some people might get turned off and not vote for that).

Changing the rules during competition will cause flaming, this suggestion about special category should have been posted before competition has started. But luckily there still is the updates category.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

We made that rule to make sure we can test the submitted software before starting the voting period.
Last year we had a script which could have caused harm to the users devices, that's why we want to test the submissions first.

We don't have every device or we wouldn't be able to hardware mod our devices or buy new ones just to test some exotic apps...
So for example I wouldn't count the N950 as default hardware, because you can't buy it. If there would be an app requiring the N950.
Or I wouldn't count Nemo as official version of Maemo or Harmattan. If there would be an app requiring Nemo...

So I think EasyDebian, Inception and NITDroid wouldn't be a problem.
Just my opinion, though.

But what could be a substantial update?
EasyDebian: An easy installation maybe? With bundled inception?
Inception: Working with PR 1.3?
NITDroid: Version 4.1 JellyBelly? ;)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

I would read that rule as saying that an application entered into the coding competition should not require a modified device to install and run. In other words, someone taking a new device out of the box should be able to install your application with as little fuss as possible (ie. on unchanged default hardware that's running an official version of Maemo or Harmattan OS). We won't turn away an application because it might require some set up, but I'd expect clear instructions on installation and removal to be made available.

I haven't looked at them in great detail (I tested NITDroid way back when DJ_Steve created it, and qole's Easy Debian has been around forever it seems :) ), at face value there's certainly a possibility for the developers to enter them into the 'updates' category. Thing is, from what I can tell, none of the developers have shown any interest in the competition. So perhaps this is all talk for no reason.

My worry is we're being drawn into an argument regarding the community awards which is really a distraction for us. We'll no doubt have our own problems and bumps to focus on as the competition continues. :o

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

The Maemo/MeeGo community is responsible to distributing half of the 100 Nokia devices (in "Community Awards" and "Code Competition").

Inception, NITDroid and EasyDebian are large coding projects that :
- radically change how we can use Nokia N9/N950, i.e., without them, e.g, some Harmattan users would move to Android, iOS, etc, worlds;
- are cited in hundreds of sites, blogs, etc, everywhere during the last months, giving a huge visibility to Nokia N9 / Harmattan OS, showing other users how Android, iOS, Symbian, WP are limited;
- many thousands of users depend on them, including some other coding projects (mainly inception to overclocking, chroot, etc).

None of the three cited projects was awarded in "Community Awards", to much surprise of the community.

There is still time for the Maemo/MeeGo community give some award for the breakthrough work on Inception, NITDroid and EasyDebian for Harmattan.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

If PR1.3 is released during competition time, then at least Inception has has the possibility to enter as update category. And I don't see any problems for other projects as well, if they make it easy install/uninstall packages or instructions and have done some updates during competition time line (although you should only cast your vote based on the update part).

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

As they are installed by thousand of Harmattan users, I think the installation procedure is not a problem.

I think the category "Updates and development on existing apps (2 N950, 1 N9)" is not large enough to include this 3 coding projects. I suggest to :
- enlarge the number of devices for this category;
- or create a special category ("System projects" ?) with 3 devices.


Yes, a simple .deb installation for at least one of the two cases : using open mode kernel, using inception. Ideally both, but qole is currently without a developer device.

Yes.

Currently NITDroid for N9 is alpha #3, so any further version (alpha #4 or beta #1) would be a new version.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Please read carefully my previous comment about NITDroid, Inception and Easy Debian for Harmattan on "Code Competition" :

"IMHO, the above authors/projects would be put in a special category (hors-concours) of "2012 Coding Competition" and receive their N9/N950 as soon as possible (in July) to boost their projects development, with the simple condition that they say they will continue developing their projects."

Remember that thousands of Nokia Lumia's were distributed to Nokia developers already registered in the last 12 months, many were authors of very, very simple softwares.

Now we have breakthrough coding projects without any award here from 100 available devices. It is totally non-sense and would make people outside Maemo/MeeGo laugh about us, desmotivate the cited authors, etc.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Ok we understand you really like these three projects rcolistete :) And you're surprised they didn't receive a community award. Similary there are 1 or 2 people who applied that I would have bet my house on to win a community award but didn't get one either. So I understand a little of how you feel. But please understand that is not a matter of the coding competition to compensate people who missed out on community awards - that's between them and the council to sort out any misunderstandings or problems.

Here's what it boils down to and it's really simple. If they want to enter the coding competition they are welcome too as is everyone else. As you did with Calculus, they can do the same :) But they have to play fair along with everyone else, we won't be making special allowances for them.

To be fair they haven't asked any special allowance, you're asking on their behalf. However as of this moment we've had no contact from any of these developers about joining the coding competition. Maybe we can put this on the back burner for the time being until such a time would arise?

It's not going to happen rcolistete. Either they come on board with the competition the same as everyone else, or they won't be in the competition.

If you have a problem with how devices were distributed please have that discussion with the facilitator of that device program.

If you have a problem with how the community may be seen please discuss that in the community section.

These are valid concerns and if you feel that then you're right to raise it. But they are better addressed elsewhere rcolistete. At the coding competition we are only concerned that we reward the people who participate in the fairest way we can and that we highlight all their good development in the best way we can.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

They were participating in the "Community Awards", whose results were published some days ago.

This "Code Competition" has some details in its rules so the authors (eyes, isnotabigtruck and qole) can think their projects don't fit here.

The Maemo/MeeGo community can give them some invitation and motivate them to participate here.

IMHO, these 3 projects & authors deserve a special category where the devices would be sent as soon as they agree, without waiting until September 2012.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

We can do that, but all our devices apart from Felipe's donated N9 are already assigned as prizes to categories. Would you like to donate the devices?

I really don't see how we can be any more inviting, we're not too hard to talk with if there's any questions.. are we? :)

But that's not a competition rcolistete!! It's not how the coding competition would ever work.

What you really want is a mini device program, within the coding competition, specially made for these 3 developers to 'win' 3 devices from our prize pool. I'm sorry, but we can't accomodate that for you :(

I'm also sorry to be so unhelpful because I know this cause means a lot to you. Might I suggest you try and source 3 devices from elsewhere? The original coding competition started off with no prizes other than £50 :) zehjotkah took a chance and asked and that's how we got all the great prizes from Nokia :) Try starting a thread, or starting a collection, or asking donations for your mini device program... if the community also agrees with you they will help you :) I might even donate myself :)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

It is not only me !
- NITDroid for N9 has thousand of users, is cited everywhere. The majority of NITDroid users are "simple" Android users, but some Harmattan developers use NITDroid to help test their Qt softwares ported from Maemo/MeeGo to Android, there are about one thousand Qt softwares available in Android Market / Google Play;
- Easy Debian/HarmChom for N9/N950 has created huge interest in the Harmattan community because it gives many powerful softwares not available on Harmattan : OpenOffice, Abiword, Gnumeric, TeX/TeXMaker, gedit, gFTP, Icedove (Thunderbird), wxMaxima, etc. They work with the Harmattan virtual keyboard, i.e., they are full operational on Nokia N9 (not only on N950). See my blog posts, which have more than one thousand hits in 3 months;
- Inception is used by many softwares/projects for Harmattan, including allowing OverClocking (which is very popular), chroot (Easy Debian, Harmattan SDK, etc), running .o softwares (compiled by gcc), etc. Thousands of users depend on Inception for the everyday use.

Resume : NITDroid, Inception and Easy Debian for N9 are not simple softwares, they are system softwares which enable many other softwares to run (thousands for NITDroid and Easy Debian) so they are indeed used in everyday life of thousand of Harmattan users. These coding projects are totally apart from other "Coding Competition" softwares with respect to usefulness, impact to the community, difficult to develop/test, etc.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

This and the fact that those people spend weeks/months/years
in their projects are the reasons why the should have been reward
in the Community Awards. But I don't see that the Coding Competition
is the right place for this. And of course, never change the rules
of the running competition.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

1. They are NOT going to change the rules of the CC.
2. If these programs have such merit, they are guaranteed a CC win.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

The "Coding Competition" organisers have already said they can participate in "Updates and development on existing apps (2 N950, 1 N9)" category.

It is not the ideal solution, I know. But it is important to have at least one good solution.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Best solution would be to ask eyes, isnotabigtruck and qole if they are interested in participating in Coding Competition at all ;)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

I am donating/diverting my Nokia N9 (award from "New Apps for Nokia Store" activity due to "SymPy Interactive Shell" software) to itsnotabigtruck :

Topic "Donating (award) devices to eyes, itsnotabigtruck and qole ?"

If possible anybody (from "Community Awards" or "Coding Competition") could help to exchange the N9 for a N950, as a N950 was the preference of itsnotabigtruck.

And feel free to donate to eyes and qole, they need a N950 and N9, respectively.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

As far as I know, qole isn't interested in receiving one.
---

kojacker, I'm really sorry, that this mess was pushed - despite Your attempts to keep it away - to thread of Coding Competition, which I treat as one of best initiatives created by Community (starting - as You mentioned - with micro pool). I would really, really love, if more people would try to start something like that themselves, instead of trying to hijack Your prize pool.

Seriously, from deep of my heart, I'm really sad that you must be distracted by this.

/Estel

// edit

rcolistete, it's nice to hear, that you've decided to donate Your device, but what does it have to do with CC? I think You should be keeping it to Your own thread. No offense intended - it's just 4th place, where I see same copy&paste set of posts, and it's getting a little spam-like.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

I notice on the MWKN that our maemo.org competition has some friendly competition of it's own, from the Openmobility.cz summer competition! They have 3 prizes up for grabs, a N9 and 2 N950s.

The deadline for entries is September 30th, which is after our deadline, and there's no reason (I see) why anyone who likes to couldn't enter both. So I just thought I'd mention it.

By the way, a big formal competition welcome to rfeese, rainisto, jackburton and ajalkane who have added their names onto the wiki since I last checked :) rainisto is 'bringing with the rain' with not one but THREE entries :D Good to have you all onboard :)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

I entered last year with 5 applications. :p Hope to see someone beating this number! :D

Not sure if I will find enought time to participate this year... and the lack of good ideas for a new applications is the second problem. But we will see. Good look to all current participants. :)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Hello all....
I am new to this forum..
Anyone can tell me how to register for summer 2012 coding competition...????
:confused:

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Read first page or read here. Good luck!

http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_coding_competition_2012

And welcome

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Oh you better, it wouldn't be the same without atleast one application from you helex!

Welcome adityamhatre :) As Dave999 rightly says above have a look at the wiki, and add your name onto the 'Participants' table too so we can remember about you (if you're not sure how to edit the wiki then just leave your details here and someone will come along and add them in for you.)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

We just got a donation by ZogG.
Thanks!

Check all donations here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Codi...ity_Prize_Fund

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

I hope it would get as custom for few more years at least =)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Why is the donation page (in Paypal) in German?

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Zehjotkah, our trusted collector of donations, has a German Paypal account.

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Hi

I am new to Maemo development and I read that I should post here comment if I don't want to mess up table.

I have been making some tests in past, but nothing serious enough that should be released.

Now I am willing to make Crosswords game. I am not sure yet what will be features (I have goals, but I don't know will I be able to realize them on time).

So can somebody tell me what I am supposed to do so I can apply in contest?

Thanks in forward
Drax

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Hi Drax, welcome to the competition :) I've added you into the participants table - please take a look and make sure you're happy/let me know what to update :cool:

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Thank you kojacker :)
All data are good.

Can you tell me how I am supposed to submit application?
Also, should I send just source code or it should be packed in .deb file?

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

The plan is there will be a competition site to upload an executable (deb) to. It's currently not ready, so best keep your eye on the wiki and this thread for updates as we go along. In the meantime adding your details to the participants table on the wiki is the best thing to do so you're all set :) I'll reach out to everyone on the table and remind them to submit when we get closer to the deadline anyway :)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

this is provisional only..
actual results may vary..
Vote on this poll to decide the popularity of participated apps...!!
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/562520/results

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

Ok, thanks again :)

Re: 2012 Coding Competition
 

"http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/562520"
visit this to vote....PROVISIONAL ONLY