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dumpystig 2012-06-30 10:50
Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances
 
I rest my case

misterc 2012-06-30 12:38
Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1229346)
I would like to see the answer for that first — http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...14#post1229214

And i don't want to wait till re-election.
there you go...

i'd say that the times we may be facing in the next few months (during most of what's left of the current Council's term, that is) could justify radical measures if said Council does not show some more willingness to listen to the Community.
after all, the future of Maemo, under whatever form or name, isn't just up to the Council, is it?

ZogG 2012-06-30 14:55
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there was suggestion to make public vote for removing him. What would you say?

misterc 2012-06-30 15:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1229437)
there was suggestion to make public vote for removing him. What would you say?
my understanding was that there is no procedure to discharge a Council member.
a little like Flop, maybe? :eek:

and you have to admit that so far, the Council hasn't shown any inclination to listen to the Community.
then again, maybe the silent majority is perfectly happy with it?

start a thread with a pool
1) discharge some member(s) of current Council (post name(s))
2) discharge current Council at large
3) leave them, doing a great job...
?

Dave999 2012-06-30 15:20
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Depending on how you write the questions, you can get a specific outcome. The questions must be more natural.

But of course you get basic understanding of what's the users may Think. But with questions like that the vote can not be valid.

misterc 2012-06-30 15:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1229454)
Depending on how you write the questions, you can get a specific outcome. The questions must be more natural.

But of course you get basic understanding of what's the users may Think. But with questions like that the vote can not be valid.
thread would be a pool, not a vote
based on the pool, we can look further (or drop it altogether)

Acidspunk 2012-06-30 15:29
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Estel I like you man, but I must say the way you're responding to this is unbecoming of an elected council member. Please draw a line and stay behind it. Otherwise, this "taking away devices" discussion is silly. Let's just drop this subject altogether please.

Dousan 2012-06-30 15:53
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Will this pool/vote benefit maemo.org in the long run?

Will it be the right thing to do?

This could hit one like a **** storm of bashing and just bite one in the a**e.

I'm being objective here and one might look into the cons and pros of souch doing.

I would very much like to keep feeding the 'good wolf' wich makes me in balance and therefore happy. You can't live on negativity and be happy.

I know how @Estel acted regarding the CA issue and how he is when he diagrees with people, but that enough to judge him on. I have no clue on how he is as an actual councilor working as a councilor on council stuff.

He made a mistake as I see it and chose to be blind to it, nobody can change their behavior nor patterns of reaction in such a short time. Especially not when they don't see them.

I believe in giving people a second change and separate things and don't judge on one incident and see the bigger picture.

I believe in karma and therefore the negativity i send out will return to me in some way and in time.

I don't even know @Estel personally he could be the nicest person, carring etc. and just be acting as a twad at times here. I doubt that he is any different in real life when it come to these sitiations but I do not know that for a fact.

I think it's dangerous ground your moving into and can it be justefied on the grounds on CA?

To make it clear and to be frank, I don't like the @Estel I've learned to know here on TMO, he's not a person I would spent time with in real life, but as I don't really know him I can't really judge him on the grounds of actions on TMO as a whole person I don't like.

Regards Dousan...

SD69 2012-06-30 18:07
Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1229450)
so far, the Council hasn't shown any inclination to listen to the Community.
then again, maybe the silent majority is perfectly happy with it?
Yesterday, the Council decided to remove Estel from his position as Council Chair. This is due not only to the Community Awards, but to many other actions of his since becoming Chair. He will remain a member of Council, and will continue to serve the community in that capacity.

For me, the primary reason was that he was acting poorly as Council Chair. He didn't represent Council well, and I didn't have confidence in what he was doing and how he related to the community. There were multiple complaints from community members, and I saw personal comments he made against many people, including me. I believe he doesn't have the soft skills necessary to serve as the representative of Council.

Let me also say that this was done with regret. He is a valuable contributor to the community, and fully deserving of his community award. I hope this will be sufficient remediation and that the non-constructive grievances will come to an end. I do not intend to support any actions proposed related to the community awards, such as taking away devices, etc.

Dave999 2012-06-30 18:13
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Who is the hand of the king now?

ZogG 2012-06-30 18:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1229514)
Yesterday, the Council decided to remove Estel from his position as Council Chair. This is due not only to the Community Awards, but to many other actions of his since becoming Chair. He will remain a member of Council, and will continue to serve the community in that capacity.

For me, the primary reason was that he was acting poorly as Council Chair. He didn't represent Council well, and I didn't have confidence in what he was doing and how he related to the community. There were multiple complaints from community members, and I saw personal comments he made against many people, including me. I believe he doesn't have the soft skills necessary to serve as the representative of Council.

Let me also say that this was done with regret. He is a valuable contributor to the community, and fully deserving of his community award. I hope this will be sufficient remediation and that the non-constructive grievances will come to an end. I do not intend to support any actions proposed related to the community awards, such as taking away devices, etc.

Fair enuf, no need to make the poll or votes for that than. Only one thing that disturbing is
to remove Estel from his position as Council Chair. part and He will remain a member of Council

edit
oh you had a head of council, my bad i always thought it was more like "round table" when everyone has the same power, voice.
/edit

and surely it's too late to take device, now i think the device donation thread can help to give to few devs what they deserve.

thank you

nieldk 2012-06-30 18:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1229517)
Who is the hand of the king now?
That is to be decided still

benny1967 2012-06-30 19:01
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I cannot believe that this sorry little thread and its spinoffs have ~300 posts, while those about really important issues have only 80.

Dave999 2012-06-30 19:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1229528)
I cannot believe that this sorry little thread and its spinoffs have ~300 posts, while those about really important issues have only 80.
A threads greatness is not decided by number of post but what's in the posts.

gerbick 2012-06-30 19:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1229530)
A threads greatness is not decided by number of post but what's in the posts.
In that case, this thread is lacking.

The other thread, some serious discussions are happening that I think people are hesitating to filter in unless it's well thought out. Not the case in this thread - myself included.

That's my take.

Dave999 2012-06-30 19:11
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I don't understand what you saying there :o

that the other thread isn't a troll thread like this one?

misterc 2012-06-30 21:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1229514)
Yesterday, the Council decided to remove Estel from his position as Council Chair. This is due not only to the Community Awards, but to many other actions of his since becoming Chair. He will remain a member of Council, and will continue to serve the community in that capacity.

For me, the primary reason was that he was acting poorly as Council Chair. He didn't represent Council well, and I didn't have confidence in what he was doing and how he related to the community. There were multiple complaints from community members, and I saw personal comments he made against many people, including me. I believe he doesn't have the soft skills necessary to serve as the representative of Council.

Let me also say that this was done with regret. He is a valuable contributor to the community, and fully deserving of his community award. I hope this will be sufficient remediation and that the non-constructive grievances will come to an end. I do not intend to support any actions proposed related to the community awards, such as taking away devices, etc.
Amen to that :|
i fully support the Council in this decision and feel that all necessary actions were taken.

let's focus on Maemo future now!

misterc 2012-06-30 21:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1229525)
That is to be decided still
click on the link currently beneath my posts...
Rob (SD69) has the 2nd highest number of votes and thus becomes head of the Council / Council Chair.
well deserved considering he is certainly the most experienced member of the Council.

may i further suggest that all official communications from Council are only posted by the Council Chair, possibly after consultation?

a post of an other member of the Council is never representative of the Council, unless Rob (Council Chair) can't attend to his function.
in which case Ivan (ivgalvez) assumes the function.

which also means that Rob would have to clearly mark any posts he makes at a personal title.

ideas?

misterc 2012-06-30 21:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1229528)
I cannot believe that this sorry little thread and its spinoffs have ~300 posts, while those about really important issues have only 80.
who cares what you believe?

nieldk 2012-06-30 21:48
Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1229581)
click on the link currently beneath my posts...
Rob (SD69) has the 2nd highest number of votes and thus becomes head of the Council / Council Chair.
well deserved considering he is certainly the most experienced member of the Council.

may i further suggest that all official communications from Council are only posted by the Council Chair, possibly after consultation?

a post of an other member of the Council is never representative of the Council, unless Rob (Council Chair) can't attend to his function.
in which case Ivan (ivgalvez) assumes the function.

which also means that Rob would have to clearly mark any posts he makes at a personal title.

ideas?
PERSONALLY ;> I think those are good suggestions

fw190 2012-07-01 10:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1229583)
who cares what you believe?
I care as he is a valuable part of the community, and his posts are alweys a benefit for the community.

What is the sens in posts like yours? what does it change and how does it help us as the community?

Dave999 2012-07-01 10:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fw190 (Post 1229707)
I care as he is a valuable part of the community, and his posts are alweys a benefit for the community.

What is the sens in posts like yours? what does it change and how does it help us as the community?
now, that is a troll post :eek:

useless, pointless and don't contribute to the thread or the community.

misterc 2012-07-01 16:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fw190 (Post 1229707)
I care as he is a valuable part of the community, and his posts are alweys a benefit for the community.

What is the sens in posts like yours? what does it change and how does it help us as the community?
i wonder...
could anyone who ever sent a device to Estel tell if they sent it to... Poznań?

back to the point.
what does benny1967's post contribute?
  • to the thread, except adding more uselessness?
  • to the future of Maemo?

gerbick 2012-07-01 17:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1229808)
what does benny1967's post contribute?
Don't start questioning and judging folks in what they offer to this community unless you yourself wish to be judged and questioned as well.

Dave999 2012-07-01 17:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1229836)
Don't start questioning and judging folks in what they offer to this community unless you yourself wish to be judged and questioned as well.
Isn't that what this thread is all about?

trafick 2012-07-01 18:31
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Hello, help me please.
I encountered a problem:
Code:
/home/user # dpkg -i inception_0.1_armel.deb
Aegis rejecting inception_0.1_armel.deb: Could not open debian archive
aegis aborting dpkg -- all listed package files rejected
Compilation failed in require.
in this issue is the solution?

Dave999 2012-07-01 18:35
Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by trafick (Post 1229855)
Hello, help me please.
I encountered a problem:
Code:
/home/user # dpkg -i inception_0.1_armel.deb
Aegis rejecting inception_0.1_armel.deb: Could not open debian archive
aegis aborting dpkg -- all listed package files rejected
Compilation failed in require.
in this issue is the solution?

Excellent question, sir.

gerbick 2012-07-01 18:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1229838)
Isn't that what this thread is all about?
No.

10 chars

Dave999 2012-07-01 18:54
Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances
 
I think that is what you guys did with Estel.

gerbick 2012-07-01 19:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1229865)
I think that is what you guys did with Estel.
Again. No.

10 Chars

ysss 2012-07-01 21:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1229865)
I think that is what you guys did with Estel.
Greetings, your trollness.
You look very trollsome today!

I think you've unlocked a new achievement of some sort in trolling.

dumpystig 2012-07-01 21:43
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Just can't believe how many people are acting like complete tw@ts.

I imagine people will look at these comments and think they have mistakenly logged in to Facebook...

jpetrise 2012-07-01 23:33
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This whole Forum seems to have been over run by unsavory argumentative individuals, which is a shame as this forum was one I held in high regard, the level of disrespectful posts has reached an all time high with people attacking each other with vigor and malice for No good reason.

misterc 2012-07-02 00:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jpetrise (Post 1229919)
This whole Forum seems to have been over run by unsavory argumentative individuals, which is a shame as this forum was one I held in high regard, the level of disrespectful posts has reached an all time high with people attacking each other with vigor and malice for No good reason.
sure, since January 2012 the quality of the posts has been... shredded ¦-)))))))

Dave999 2012-07-02 06:21
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The number of posts as well as quality of the posts are personal directly related to the fact that the n9 is nowhere near as great as n900.if you look at the n900 forum and number of posts and threads its reflects how much better the time, post users where two years ago.

Just look at ysss. Now days he is just here to do something short posts pointing his troll fingers. No content what so ever.

danramos 2012-07-02 07:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dumpystig (Post 1229909)
Just can't believe how many people are acting like complete tw@ts.

I imagine people will look at these comments and think they have mistakenly logged in to Facebook...
Right? I agree with you! That's why I'm clicking thanks on your post!

jpetrise 2012-07-02 09:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1229929)
sure, since January 2012 the quality of the posts has been... shredded ¦-)))))))
you are right since i registered my post have had a negative effect on the site with my personal attacks on fellow members, IMHO certain members behavior put people off registering and posting.

I may have only registered in jan 2012 but i have been a regular visitor since 2009, so have seen this site devolve into it's current state over time.

trafick 2012-07-02 12:39
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[QUOTE=trafick;1229855] im sorry please : О

Dave999 2012-07-02 12:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jpetrise (Post 1230020)
you are right since i registered my post have had a negative effect on the site with my personal attacks on fellow members, IMHO certain members behavior put people off registering and posting.

I may have only registered in jan 2012 but i have been a regular visitor since 2009, so have seen this site devolve into it's current state over time.
Can this be a result of the changes within Nokia together with a burning platform. If the answer is YES. We can all blame Nokia. If the answer is NO. We have to blame the community.

That means YOU.

gregoranderson 2012-07-02 12:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dumpystig (Post 1229909)
Just can't believe how many people are acting like complete tw@ts.

I imagine people will look at these comments and think they have mistakenly logged in to Facebook...
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