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Thanks volt

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In Q3 2007, the first full quarter after the iPhone was released, NOKIA sold 15.9 million smartphones. In Q4 2010, the last full quarter before Elop publicly EOLed Symbian, NOKIA sold 28.3 million smartphones.

Far from your fantasy of the 'real competition' destroying Symbian sales the reality is the sales of NOKIA's Symbian devices nearly doubled and that's despite the fact the N8, the first half-decent hardware NOKIA had given Symbian in a very long time, wasn't released until the very end of that time frame.


Symbian has had touch support since the days it was called EPOC and appeared on Psion Series 7 devices :rolleyes:


I think you should take your own advice, I'm sure you must be good at something but it's certainly not astroturfing.

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We got a resident Symbian apologist here. Even a dead horse, will carry some forward momentum. You clearly dont understand what was going on and that is why NOKIA didnt ask you to be a CEO.

In 2008, after iphone has shown popularity, NOKIA execs were talking to Stanley Morgan execs, including people I knew, depressed and knowing that their game is over. They could increase sales by lowering the prices on their phones, and selling them on the markets where android and iphone penetration was small. But they knew that the game can only be played for a few years before they lost it completely. And the amazing thing was they didnt know what to do.

N8 is the worst ABOMINATION of a smart phone. I couldnt believe that they could sell it like that, when I first got it. That pretty much killed Symbian even in poor countries, as the subsequent arrival of much better iOS and Androids showed how far superior they were to N8.

This is a case where sales numbers belie what was brewing underneath. You have to plan your move well ahead of time. NOKI waited till the end before making their move. Its costing them now a lot.

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Apple is actually not a device but a company.

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stop feed the troll!!

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Oh I understood perfectly what was happening, from the moment Elop 'leaked' his burning platform memo I knew NOKIA was about to be screwed over. I knew he was going to kill the most successful smartphone OS on the planet and the most exciting new OS on the smartphone horizon and replace them with the proven failure from the company he held millions of dollars of shares in.

If NOKIA had've asked me to be CEO they would still have control of all their IPR, they wouldn't have all their eggs in one basket, they would always have a plan B and I wouldn't replace dissenting voices with 4r53-lickers.

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You just qualified yourself for the competition: Who is the most deluded Symbian fan.

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NOBODY says that phrase and it's already a hilariously stupid thing to say. To the others that keep replying, please listen to Mike and halt--you're not debating with intelligence here, you're debating against a person who just opened his reply with the idea that a dead horse can get up and shuffle off. I don't mind seeing what he says but please stop pretending it's worthy of back-and-forth discussion. :)

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Lumiman: just look at my horse my horse is amazing.

The horse is not complete dead, so as long as it breathing the horse has a chance to survive.

Don't take it for dead until it's dead. Just look at the horse the horse is amazing!

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Stop feeding the troll.

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Everybody in thread is a troll?

What about nokia stock.

I guess down with 24 % after apples announcment.

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I am showing that its up, 16%

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I think you mean $0.16

It's currently sitting up $0.12 which is 4.48%

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The incredible stupid thing is to think that Symbian had life left on this planet. And yes, forward running horse, shot death, will carry some momentum. Or you are that stupid in physics too?

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yes, you are right. up 0.13

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Lumiaman and similar WP fanboys should thank Apple for the stockprice raises for Nokia tomorrow.

Cause it seems Apple has no more innovations comming, maybe thats why they had started to patent trolling.


Now I just wait for Jolla. Those big corporations are just ridicilous.

NON seems to come with something fun anymore.

Nokia just downgrades theyr smartphones with WP
Apple stands still
Samsung is just copying designs (and not only in the smartphone segment)

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......and JOLLA continues to tweet about a non-existent product(s)

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NOK stock went down like 13% during their event. AAPL stock went up like 2% during their event.

Interesting.

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NOK1V, Helsinki (€)

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...367237ffa8.png

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This may be a good sign for stocks long term growth

http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...bandwagon.aspx

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I think windows will steal marketshare from iOS. The question is how much.
Android have to many devices. They are flooding the market.

Windows 8 has 3 devices vs one iOS. So more is good for Windows.

Anyhow.
What happened with elops faster release after announcment? He has forgotten that already?

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NOKI flirting with $3.

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The phones are ready, the OS isn't.

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That seems to be Nokias chronic problem. hardware ready, OS not

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The hardware isn't ready, hence them having to fake the photos/videos

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Touché. Well said. :)

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Last I checked Nokia had several very good OSs that were both ready and more importantly ... shipping.

Windows platforms have never been "ready" IMHO.

Also given that this is a "Maemo community forum" are we going to see the Windows trolls start to leave soon?

rgds

ps. The CSSU update worked flawlessly by the way, my N900 is working perfectly, hats off to the superb work by the volunteers supporting Maemo. This shows exactly why OpenSource will win in the end despite the best efforts of proponents of the closed source OSs.

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I expect warnings regarding profit for Q3. For Q4 i expect an even result since the organisation is streamlined and the sales of 920/820 will get some sales.

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Nok1V, Helsiki, €.

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...4d1baaec86.png

good day, bad day, good day

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NOKI broke 3 on pre-market trading....

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I can sympathize with the investors.


The hype built up coming into the revealing.
Share prices increase modestly.

Then NOKIA shows them the Lumia 920, people are like wtf is this crap.
Stock begins to fall.

Can we preorder, what's the price --No answer from Nokia.
Okay, stock falls before the point of the event.

Let's compare the specs to the SGS3, Nextus and NOTE 2 (etc)...nope, Nokia's hardly catching up.
Stocks continue falling.

Sorry you can't play with it, the software's not ready.
Stocks continue falling.

Sleep. Other investors see the depression, they decide to withdraw.
Stocks continue falling.

Evidence that "PureView" has been purposely deceived comes to light.
Stocks fall. Hard.

A few days, it stabilizes.

The next iPhone launches. Pre-orders begin. Apple's stocks increase.
People make comparison of Lumia 920 to the iPhone 5.
People realize L920 is better hardware, equal software, (much)worse ecosystem (yet promising)... the Lumia 920 doesn't look half-bad anymore.
Nokia's stocks begin to rise again.

What's next?
Pre-order, Pricing, Availability --and its affects on NOKIA stocks.
Next LG and Google flagships --and its affects on NOKIA stocks.
Product shipping, released, reviews --and its affects on NOKIA stocks.
Sales numbers, profits, etc --and its affects on NOKIA stocks.
Quarterly reports --and its affects on NOKIA stocks.

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I think NOKIA did enjoy a little boost from the release of the underwhelming fbiPhone 5.

Apple are starting to appear like the Status Quo of the mobile world
http://www.chippylido.co.uk/assets/upload/StatusQuo.jpg
Whenever SQ release a new record all their fans get very excited but to the rest of the world it sounds exactly the chuffin' same as every other record they ever made.

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You need software to drive the hardware you dorky dork dork dork ...


Whatever is ready (or not), the phones are not here - yet. The Lumia 920 looks better and better actually. It's big, HUGE. How do you carry such a monster? That's my main problem with the 920.


iPhone 5 vs 920 vs SGS3:

Size: iPhone
Groove: 920
Best overall (apps, web, mail, wide range of functionality): probably SGS3

I would go for the 920. The 920 got that extra kick, even the 820 is more groovy than the others IMO. Still have hopes for a 4 inch 41 MP WP8 pureview popping up before Christmas though.

In a side note, found out that my N9 supports 5G WIFI, the Lumia 800 does not :)

No use discussing Nokia stock, it's all over the place atm.

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meego was not fully ready when n9 was released same for qt BUT now it is more ready and that is even when nokia pulled the plug. So in summary if that ashole Elop and tbe rest of the ****ing board had continued with Qt + meego the 920 had been running harmattan and a lot more intresting. Now the only who will buy it is hardcore micronokia fanboys or brainwashed people or those who are sick of google or IOS.

So in summary I hope Elop and the rest of the board fails because nokia deserves to fail when they killeed harmattan.e Every time I see 920 I think, damn if it run harmattan instead of wp, and that make me sad...rr

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You, sir, obviously have no idea what Qt is.

From wiki: "Haavard Nord and Eirik Chambe-Eng (the original developers of Qt and the CEO and President, respectively, of Trolltech) began development of "Qt" in 1991. "

In 1998, there was controversy around the fact that KDE was becoming a leading desktop environment because it was based on Qt.

Qt does not belong on a list of unfinished operating systems released by Nokia.
Qt does not belong on a list of operating systems.
Qt is an age old framework for developing applications across hardware platforms, somewhat like, I don't know, Java.

Stating that Qt wasn't ready makes about as much sense as to state that Java wasn't ready when Samsung released their Galaxy S III.

The only thing that wasn't "ready" with Qt was that people hadn't started announcing their existing applications on the new hardware platform that now supported Qt, nor had they started making dedicated Nokia applications on the platform. And they never started, because Elop announced it to be dead pretty much before the products were in sale. Nobody makes applications any much for a platform that doesn't exist.

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Volt, where the heck did I say Qt was an OS???

Obviosly QML or more exacly the UI layer(qt-components) for harmattan was not ready when PR1.0 was released.

you already should know harmattan is using qtdeclararative and not qtwidgets. And qtdeclarative was definitivly not ready 2008 when nokia bought trolltech.

Nokia actually did alot with qt and qtcreator to improve it on embedded platforms. Until elop the idiotboard panicked...

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I just tried Samsung Galaxy III. What a piece of crap. This is definitely much worse than any Lumia phone I used so far. I don't understand it's popularity.

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Qualify your statements or risk it being thrown aside as troll fodder like damn near everything else you say.

Seriously dude, it's not that hard to qualify your statements. You didn't like X, Y or Z and it compares poorly to A, B and C.

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You replied to:

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gerbrick, what are you attempting to do? You can't train a consciously disrupting troll to be anything but a troll.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Z2Va6S-wRl...0/Trolls-3.gif