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dirkvl 2014-10-01 12:11
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blood_falcon (Post 1441309)
can you use the same material as N900's keyboard?
I just explained this is not possible within the scope and budget of this project.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Casanunda (Post 1441365)
At least this way it would be easy to get a QWERTZ / AZERTY / DVORAK / Whatever sort of weird keyboard, as long as you can set up the keyboard layout in software.


Only problem - if I start painting the letters on my keyboard myself, it will look very unique, but NOT very professional...
Yes, that is why it is definitely the last resort option. Not preferable, just possible.

--

We will continue to investigate getting a silicone keypad made, trying to mimic the quality of a more premium one.

oku9000 2014-10-01 12:53
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Silicone keypad is ok, but i would go for 3d printed blank keypads.

Blank keyboard lets users make their own keymaps without having to ask you to make additional ones. The appearance point of view is not that important as it's really for personal use and sole purpose of usability. Of course it would be nice to have fancy keylabels, but I really appreciate functionality over the appearance.

If the 3d printer resolution is good enough, you could also print the keylabels in relief.

eekkelund 2014-10-01 20:08
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1441264)
i am running a bit low on 'dough', so that also slows down developments. if you feel the urge to support, order some awesome stuff from my site. i will put it to good use!
Ordered some superfunky stuff from your site! ^_^ Hopefully it helps keyboard developments.

robnas 2014-10-01 20:53
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
What's the problem with 3d-printed keyboard? That's the only option, I guess. I think with mass-production you mean injection molding (spuitgieten for dutch), right?
That's out of our league, I guess. Isn't it possible to 3d-print it with a really smoothe finish? Or maybe mill it, after it has been printed?

sid21177 2014-10-01 23:07
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
If you could create very slight depressions in the top surface of the keys one might be able to use stickers (think the place to put initials on a briefcase/suitcase)

MartinK 2014-10-02 00:07
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by robnas (Post 1441462)
Or maybe mill it, after it has been printed?
What about laser engraving ? While it sounds rather fancy, I know it is possible to use it to engrave random stuff to almost any material (IIRC there was a video of a guy having his name laser-engraved to the lid of his notebook) with quite nice precision. So making a custom pattern corresponding to the labels and laser-engraving it to the keyboard might work.

dirkvl 2014-10-02 09:02
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1441478)
What about laser engraving ? While it sounds rather fancy, I know it is possible to use it to engrave random stuff to almost any material (IIRC there was a video of a guy having his name laser-engraved to the lid of his notebook) with quite nice precision. So making a custom pattern corresponding to the labels and laser-engraving it to the keyboard might work.
Good tip!

(but under investigation for a while, needed for making multiple layouts possible)

If someone knows where I can get a relatively affordable laser engraver, let me know!

NokiaFanatic 2014-10-02 09:36
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Can someone from Jolla help out here? A proper keyboard is a very high priority for me and many others and Jolla have said the community can help in getting it made. Now that we've hit a bit of a wall, is there something that Jolla can do to help us out? Surely someone in the company has contacts with a manufacturer who can produce a 1000 decent quality pieces or so at a retail of €100.

Right now, trying to use fingerterm with its tiny, tiny buttons is slowly sucking my soul.

dirkvl 2014-10-02 09:51
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1441555)
Can someone from Jolla help out here?
A good example of a question that is:

- good intented
- asked before and answered before
- not really helpful

Will add to FAQ.

dirkvl 2014-10-02 15:11
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Polling for idea

Early bird 'developer' rev2
- fully functional
- all white
- wooden backplate
- handsoldered #muchwork
- 3d printed blank (white) keypad
- no backlight
- 120E
- delivery time dependent on number of orders (cashflow)

this would allow me to order some components in full for a larger batch. if i go for a really large batch these models could be upgraded with new keypad, but i cannot guarantee this to be free or happen at all.

dirkvl 2014-10-02 15:14
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
To make life easy, "thank" this post IFF you buy this the moment I put it up.

Kabouik 2014-10-02 17:26
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
You call it "early bird developper rev. 2", which contrasts with the initial plan discussed through 29 pages, so it's not clear to me if that would be a new intermediate step that was not planned so far, or the true final product but with downgraded ambitions? Could you please clarify that?

The reason for that question is I already have rev. 1, I definitely want a more functional keyboard, but I'm not sure I want to invest 220€ total for two prototypes.

dirkvl 2014-10-02 17:35
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a new intermediate step that was not planned so far.

but i am having second thoughts about this. the only reason for this is the difficulties finding a keypad manufacturer and a lack of funds to be able to buy all parts upfront.

pichlo 2014-10-02 17:50
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What does buying this prototype entitle me to? A discount for the final product? Replacement parts to turn the proto into the final product? A punch in the stomach?

szopin 2014-10-02 17:54
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1441581)
To make life easy, "thank" this post IFF you buy this the moment I put it up.
I think the kickstarter/indiegogo idea might work. With the tier system you could easily go with: for X amount the materials will be x, if we reach Y it will be thè more costly y... The interest might turn out to be higher than expected if properly advertised on tjc (and twitter etc) and if it's not at least it will be clear at that point how much interest there is allowing you to get better estimates how much can be spent on tooling

robnas 2014-10-02 18:36
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1441607)
I think the kickstarter/indiegogo idea might work. With the tier system you could easily go with: for X amount the materials will be x, if we reach Y it will be thè more costly y... The interest might turn out to be higher than expected if properly advertised on tjc (and twitter etc) and if it's not at least it will be clear at that point how much interest there is allowing you to get better estimates how much can be spent on tooling
Agree. Think bigger. In that case you could produce something out of an injection mold die. Read: a smooth keyboard with backlight?

vistaus 2014-10-02 19:16
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1441604)
a new intermediate step that was not planned so far.

but i am having second thoughts about this. the only reason for this is the difficulties finding a keypad manufacturer and a lack of funds to be able to buy all parts upfront.
The last point is kinda moot because you haven't accepted my financial offer ;) The 'lack of funds' could be partly solved if we can work out a funding deal.

robnas 2014-10-05 04:19
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vistaus (Post 1441621)
The last point is kinda moot because you haven't accepted my financial offer ;) The 'lack of funds' could be partly solved if we can work out a funding deal.
That's why you should start a kickstarter-project. Chance you will probably gain attention. The ones that are funding (most), will receive their board first or with special option (color?).
You can set the bar to a certain amount of money, so you can buy a injection mould (spuitgietmatrijs for dutch).
After that you can start producing for a lot less. You can think about making the injection mould for both plastic parts at the same time ;)

stefanmohl 2014-10-05 19:42
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
As long as you can give me precise fast typing and full screen Fingerterm (i.e. without on-screen keyboard), I am pledging to buy your TOHKBD v2 at 150€ with blank keys right now!

If I can assign a key-combination to quickly show and hide the current keyboard-layout on-screen, the blank keyboard will be quick enough to learn :-)

Besides, if you give me enough keys to cover all of the N900-keyboard, and easy means of setting the key mappings, I can just copy the N900 layout and don't have to learn the keyboard at all!

stefanmohl 2014-10-05 19:59
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Oh, by the way, would it be possible to add a flip-out stand, like the one on the N900 too? That one used a magnet to keep it closed when not in use, and you have magnets here too...

rentze 2014-10-05 21:37
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
I also think that a blank keypad is a decent deal, if it makes many things simpler. Heck, I'll just make stickers...

robnas 2014-10-07 11:40
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rentze (Post 1441960)
I also think that a blank keypad is a decent deal, if it makes many things simpler. Heck, I'll just make stickers...
Where does the background light stays?

vistaus 2014-10-07 12:06
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Even though I love SailfishOS, the more I type on it (which is expected since I use it since January as my primary phone), the more I start to miss my HP Pre 3 physical keyboard. Hopefully TOHKB2 can really come to life very soon now because I *need* physical keys :) My offer of partly funding it still stands btw.

misterc 2014-10-09 16:04
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1441556)
A good example of a question that is:

- good intented
- asked before and answered before
- not really helpful

Will add to FAQ.
which is where?!?
maybe put a link in your footer?

dirkvl 2014-10-09 17:05
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1442451)
which is where?!?
maybe put a link in your footer?
or check the first post, that is usually a good place to gather information about a thread ;)

dirkvl 2014-10-11 08:22
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
update:
still talking to manufacturers about making custom keypad. more news about that and other subjects this week.

dirkvl 2014-10-12 13:40
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
next mockup is here

https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6nxbbh0dfi2...2016.33.02.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/s/kkpdrn9bf2z...2016.34.11.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/s/902qng2hp9q...2016.34.34.jpg
https://dl.dropbox.com/s/12fkxdnz0f5...2016.34.28.jpg

Henque19 2014-10-12 19:16
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Nice!

blood_falcon 2014-10-13 00:06
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Same comment with above

robnas 2014-10-13 04:05
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirkvl (Post 1442614)
update:
still talking to manufacturers about making custom keypad. more news about that and other subjects this week.
What's the news?

dirkvl 2014-10-15 11:05
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by robnas (Post 1442767)
What's the news?
the news is good. keypads will be costly, but we will have our premium keypads and multiple (a lot) of layouts!

NokiaFanatic 2014-10-15 12:04
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Better to go for a quality keyboard, I think. Any update on the price, will it be much more than €130?

dirkvl 2014-10-15 13:26
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1443044)
Any update on the price, will it be much more than €130?
http://media.giphy.com/media/374pcIBVEGb6g/giphy.gif

rcolistete 2014-10-20 15:16
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Looks amazing! RT @andrewzhilin: We're almost there with #Jolla #TOHKBD. Stay tuned. (Hi-res: http://imgur.com/9bEliDc )
https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/524178212923129856
http://i.imgur.com/9bEliDc.jpg

droll 2014-10-20 15:21
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
noooooooooooooooo what happened to the chrome on the strip that separates the number keys from the qwerty keys??! :P hehehe, jokes aside - it looks AMAZING!

cvp 2014-10-20 16:43
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
this looks F!$%ing Awsome! Really nice

robnas 2014-10-21 14:39
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
I hope it'll look like that. No word from Dirkvl here....
I see an grave accent sign ( ` ) on the keyboard, the way to use an acute accent ( ´ ) is the same as on a normal keyboard, right?
In that case, the blue symbol with the letter "s".

dirkvl 2014-10-21 18:05
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by robnas (Post 1443674)
I hope it'll look like that. No word from Dirkvl here....
http://www.zoom-comics.com/wp-conten...RD-500x312.jpg

Quote:
Originally Posted by robnas (Post 1443674)
I see an grave accent sign ( ` ) on the keyboard, the way to use an acute accent ( ´ ) is the same as on a normal keyboard, right?
In that case, the blue symbol with the letter "s".
dont know, but because of the multiple layouts it will probably be customizable anyway.'

stay tuned.

Thoke 2014-10-21 18:33
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
One question: some time ago you said something along the lines of that these keyboards will all be tested and verified to be reliable before sending them, does that mean the quality is assured? If yes, you might have made me a pre-orderer/early buyer :D

Casanunda 2014-10-22 17:33
Re: TOHKBD rev2
 
Do you have contact with Jolla regarding selling TOHKBD on Jolla store?
At least they are aware of your work, see above twitter message by @JollaHQ (official Jolla account)...
I'm already drooling when I look at the picture for too long... ;-)


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