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m4r0v3r 2015-02-27 12:22

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dax (Post 1462225)
I saw the donation's notification, thanks! :)

Today, the implementation is complete: now every video is played inside its tab, you can clone the repo and compile the browser yourself or wait for the next version (usually I release it nearly once a week)

thats great thank you, ill probably compile it in my real time systems lecture

mikelima 2015-02-27 14:06

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
For whatever is worth, this approach is similar to how it is handled on the Linux desktop-- for KDE at least-- apart from third party applications, icons are handles as as separate package.

EDIT: I wanted to reply to W00t: latest comment...

And by the way, this allows for easier theming anyway. Custom icon packages have to include icons for the common applications as well... and the desktop standard should handle fallback to a default "hicolor" theme if there is no custom icon in the theme.

aegis 2015-02-27 14:25

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Maybe this is already possible but overriding the icons (global or local) with those supplied in an ambiance would be nice.

Also, I like the application settings being separate to the application UI. The problem is application developers can't access settings currently like that and there are also ports from other platforms where they've kept the old way of doing it. This will presumably work itself out mostly when Jolla get around to it.

edit: to stay on topic, nice to see buteo sync fixes :D

sada11 2015-03-02 14:33

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
1.1.2.16 Yliaavanlampi is out for all now...

NokiaFanatic 2015-03-02 16:46

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sada11 (Post 1462617)
1.1.2.16 Yliaavanlampi is out for all now...

Downloading....

mariusmssj 2015-03-02 17:00

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
change log?

sada11 2015-03-02 17:03

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1462659)
change log?

https://together.jolla.com/question/...yliaavanlampi/

mariusmssj 2015-03-02 17:07

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sada11 (Post 1462660)

Ahh I see they kept the same change log from the early access. Cheers :)

pichlo 2015-03-03 11:57

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sada11 (Post 1462617)
1.1.2.16 Yliaavanlampi is out for all now...

...and it was the first update ever that went on my spouse's phone without a glitch. Yey! ;)

JiiHoo 2015-03-03 12:06

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Update went fine, but got a crash/reboot when I opened browser after update. No glitches after that, though.

Dave999 2015-03-03 17:39

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Please wake up...We have an update! uPdate 11 for everyone!

http://cdn1.itpro.co.uk/sites/itpro/...?itok=-5mBPja-

Thank you jolla!

Let's hype it!

BTW...we need a "SailfishOS Update12 Discussions" thread ASAP! Feel free to create one now or I will create one tomorrow! (Yes, it's a threat)

bluefoot 2015-03-03 18:06

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
This update feels a lot better ... but they still haven't fixed one of the simplest and most necessary things ..... browser based wifi login.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vzKgD89oOE

Dave999 2015-03-03 18:11

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Love the new browser. Would like to suggest a small change to the icon for downloaded files. It's the same as enable 3G. Please change that or make sure that button enable disable 3G :)

MINKIN2 2015-03-03 21:55

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
How do you active this weather widget then?

mrsellout 2015-03-03 21:59

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Install the Weather app from the Jolla store

MINKIN2 2015-03-03 22:18

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsellout (Post 1462884)
Install the Weather app from the Jolla store

Installed the Jolla weather app from the store but but there is bo widget

What to do next ?

Thanks

mrsellout 2015-03-03 22:25

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Isn't it in your Events notification screen?

coderus 2015-03-03 22:26

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 1462888)
Installed the Jolla weather app from the store but but there is bo widget

What to do next ?

Thanks

now open it and select location. and "widget" will be in events view.

wrm 2015-03-04 08:32

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1462842)
Love the new browser. Would like to suggest a small change to the icon for downloaded files. It's the same as enable 3G. Please change that or make sure that button enable disable 3G :)

Well the only thing i miss is text wrap...

pycage 2015-03-04 08:59

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bluefoot (Post 1462841)
This update feels a lot better ... but they still haven't fixed one of the simplest and most necessary things ..... browser based wifi login.

Really? This surprises me, because I had no problems with browser based wifi login in hotels with it. But that was over a year ago.

strongm 2015-03-04 09:03

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
eek- running an Android app (the Assassin's Creed Unity Companion app) after applying update 11 drained 50% battery in a little over 20 mins ...

Anyone else seeing poor Alien Dalvik power consumption with U11?

pichlo 2015-03-04 09:11

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1462936)
Really? This surprises me, because I had no problems with browser based wifi login in hotels with it. But that was over a year ago.

Maybe (s)he meant automatic login to the network when you are offline and open the browser. The N900 does it, not sure about other models. I have not tried it on the Jolla, I have automatic login when a known network is detected.

aegis 2015-03-04 11:09

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
For about 15 minutes I thought they'd finally got CalDAV working. It now shows my four calendars from my account, you can add an event which then appears on my Mac and Android phone and tablet on the next sync but, the event then disappears from my Jolla.

Jolla -> drawer again.

aegis 2015-03-04 11:11

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Also, my Jolla has killed my SDXC card. It's gone read only. I can't even reformat it.

pichlo 2015-03-04 12:06

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aegis (Post 1462960)
Also, my Jolla has killed my SDXC card. It's gone read only. I can't even reformat it.

It may have been your phone or not. SD cards come and go. You are lucky you can still at least read it. In my experience, they can go completely just as easily.

minimos 2015-03-04 15:02

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Jolla browser seems to be safe from the FREAK attack (test site https://freakattack.com) vulnerability but both Webcat and Web Pirate are not.

From Vertu with Love 2015-03-08 11:45

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Battery drain in this update is ridiculous, phone is borderline unusable while it drains 10% an hour with Dalvik off in standby.

nodevel 2015-03-08 11:55

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by From Vertu with Love (Post 1463420)
Battery drain in this update is ridiculous, phone is borderline unusable while it drains 10% an hour with Dalvik off in standby.

I am experiencing this too, but I am not sure what is the real reason. These are my two suspects:
  • battery (82% capacity in my case)
  • the default browser - I need to investigate further, but I think it is the main cause of the drain

Anyways, it has become quite bad - when I got 30% of battery, I can be almost sure the battery will run out during the 25mins way home.

pycage 2015-03-08 12:00

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
I don't experience the battery drain with U11. But I have the browser closed when not in use. I noticed that the browser drains even when not active while displaying webpages with active content.

From Vertu with Love 2015-03-08 12:36

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1463421)
I am experiencing this too, but I am not sure what is the real reason. These are my two suspects:
  • battery (82% capacity in my case)
  • the default browser - I need to investigate further, but I think it is the main cause of the drain

Anyways, it has become quite bad - when I got 30% of battery, I can be almost sure the battery will run out during the 25mins way home.

How are you checking battery capacity?

willi6868 2015-03-08 12:50

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by From Vertu with Love (Post 1463427)
How are you checking battery capacity?

With

Code:

upower -d
like described here on TJC.

juiceme 2015-03-08 13:46

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by From Vertu with Love (Post 1463420)
Battery drain in this update is ridiculous, phone is borderline unusable while it drains 10% an hour with Dalvik off in standby.

Odd behaviour, you have something wrong with your device.
My consumption averages 2.5%...2.8% drop per hour with light-moderate use (some email, bit of browsing, few SMS'es)

strongm 2015-03-08 14:26

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by From Vertu with Love (Post 1463420)
Battery drain in this update is ridiculous, phone is borderline unusable while it drains 10% an hour with Dalvik off in standby.

Good. So it isn't just me suffering from silly battery drain times

Morpog 2015-03-08 14:29

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
I cannot confirm, battery consumtion got even better with U11.

From Vertu with Love 2015-03-08 15:28

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1463432)
Odd behaviour, you have something wrong with your device.
My consumption averages 2.5%...2.8% drop per hour with light-moderate use (some email, bit of browsing, few SMS'es)

It was like this for me in U10. Brilliant battery life, even with moderate use I'd get 3 days easily on a single charge. Now, it's extremely erratic. Sometimes it can be good, just how it was before. Other times, I check my phone for the time, and it's gone down 7% in 25 minutes (not an exaggeration).

And my battery is at 95% of original capacity, so it's not that.

I think keeping the browser open does effect it hugely, but I don't understand why now, as it didn't before. Even having MeeCast open (for the tile) drains it more than it used to. A result of the new OOM handling / OS not being allowed to kill processes as it did before?

pichlo 2015-03-08 17:51

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1463421)
I am experiencing this too, but I am not sure what is the real reason. These are my two suspects:
  • battery (82% capacity in my case)
  • the default browser - I need to investigate further, but I think it is the main cause of the drain

Anyways, it has become quite bad - when I got 30% of battery, I can be almost sure the battery will run out during the 25mins way home.

Consider yourself lucky. My battery is at 85% original calacity and when the charge drops to 30%, odds are about 3:1 that the phone will spontaneusly reboot. When it does, it remains in a boot loop until I put it on a charger or until the battery drains completely, which is usually about 5 minutes. U11 has nothing to do with it though.

I have not noticed any difference in battery drain myself. It has always lasted about a day of my average use (no calls or texts, no 3G, background email check every 30 minutes, some browsing in the evening) - or up to three days if left alone and not used at all.

I do not use the default browser though. There are more usable alternatives. U11 with its icons for bookmarks was the final nail in the coffin.

pycage 2015-03-08 18:01

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1463444)
Consider yourself lucky. My battery is at 85% original calacity and when the charge drops to 30%, odds are about 3:1 that the phone will spontaneusly reboot. When it does, it remains in a boot loop until I put it on a charger or until the battery drains completely, which is usually about 5 minutes. U11 has nothing to do with it though.

You should try to clean the battery contacts. It looks like this fixed the shutdown and reboot issues for me completely. I cleaned the contacts two months ago and did not have a single shutdown or reboot since then.

MartinK 2015-03-08 19:22

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1463446)
You should try to clean the battery contacts. It looks like this fixed the shutdown and reboot issues for me completely. I cleaned the contacts two months ago and did not have a single shutdown or reboot since then.

I fixed all my shutdown and reboot issues by stuffing a piece of paper behind the battery so that it presses on the contact leads more firmly. Kinda reminds one of the old creaky Nokias that could be fixed in a similar way to stop creaking. :)

pycage 2015-03-09 17:11

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinK (Post 1463460)
I fixed all my shutdown and reboot issues by stuffing a piece of paper behind the battery so that it presses on the contact leads more firmly. Kinda reminds one of the old creaky Nokias that could be fixed in a similar way to stop creaking. :)

I had used the paper trick before, but I removed the paper. It looks like cleaning the contacts did a way better job in my case than the piece of paper. YMMV.

Casanunda 2015-03-10 10:48

Re: SailfishOS Update11 discussions
 
My Jolla hardly goes below 50% battery in one day.
On a typical work day in the office, I have it lying on the desk idle most of the time, but with browser, e-mail apps, securefishnet (OpenVPN connection) and often one or two more apps open, just checking from time to time, and making a few phonecalls (maybe 30min in total).
This is in an area with really bad mobile signal (I have to place my phone - any phone, not just the jolla - on the right spot on my desk to get any signal at all) but using work wifi.
I usually have around 70% battery left after 10-11hours.

Of course battery drains faster when I actively use the phone - browsing on "heavy" sites and watching videos makes battery drain visible.

But I can't complain about battery life at all.


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