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Shirabe 2019-12-18 17:33
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1563418)
some clearly can :rolleyes:
Yeah, like some idiots who assume two people are the same person? Or that things were happening that didn't happen? Or that price increases were for Brexit preparations?

stickymick 2019-12-18 18:39
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Jeeeez :mad:
Just about had enough of this Android abomination already.
Is there a link to a guide to installing Sailfish?

catbus 2019-12-18 18:41
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 1563421)
Jeeeez :mad:
Just about had enough of this Android abomination already.
Is there a link to a guide to installing Sailfish?
https://community.fxtec.com/topic/24...or-fxtec-pro1/

kinggo 2019-12-18 19:07
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Idiot never claimed anything. It was always just personal POV and why something might be as it is.
The other one constantly preaching his BS speculation to be truth without any actual proof.

Chen stated a looong time ago that they are partnered with Clove. Why the F is it so surprising that their partner has some of their product for sale????????????

Maemish 2019-12-18 19:09
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Read the Androidauthority article. With my N900 and Micro-b. First I have to say that I can't trust or honour any article published on a site that takes so long to load (without images), which did not accept choice "use neccessary cookies only" and which is filled with too much heavy stuff. For me that is a mark of bowing the beast and I felt like I was entering to Mordor.

Secondly it is a review from someone who clearly states he doesn't like hwkb phones and of them dislikes more the landscape version. How unambigious the review can be?

Thirdly he likes using iPhone and Android and doesn't seem to see any problem in them and no value of having other possibilities.

Fourthly it seems that specs he value the most are light, thin, latest hw specs and camera use and image quality. Not to say I would not appreciate them but I fell in love with N900 after using years iPhone - not a reviewer I look up.

So what I think about this review? Points that matter to me were: difficult to open, too responsive touchscreen, bad fingerprint reader, some problems using side buttons, some apps not forced to landscape. Good things mentioned: being able to customize hwkb shortcuts, possibility to have two windows open and seamlessly switch between them to write and use.

Important things not mentioned in the article: N900, alternative Os'es, linux phone to be, embracing opensource with open bootloader, fullfilment of dreams.

This device is not what writer has dreamed of. So no need to mind too much of his narrow view or give value to his words. It can be - even with all the flaws - a fullfilment of someone elses dream.

Thanks Chen for making dreams come true.

Maemish 2019-12-18 19:37
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
And to all who have got the phone: I think gratitude toward Chen could be in mind. After you paid for it and got it: yes, now it is your device which you paid for and of course you inspect what you paid for and weight the quality and specs and performance to something someone else has. But before you paid and got it: it was something someone else worked hard with to fill YOUR dreams (as well as his own). In many ways this device is in the end - with all the flaws and lower specs than some new phones - a dream come true. It may even be the best fullfilment of dreams there is at the moment. So be happy of owning it. It was a right choice and you didn't waste your money. You put it on something awesome that is much bigger than just a phone among phones.

Fellfrosch 2019-12-18 19:53
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1563374)
Fellfrosch, can you tell if the modifier keys are sticky on SFOS? Also, if the phone is in sleep mode, can you wake it up by (1) opening the keyboard and/or (2) pressing a key if keyboard is already open?

1. Not sticky unfortunately
2. No
3. No

Shirabe 2019-12-18 19:54
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1563424)
The other one constantly preaching his BS speculation to be truth without any actual proof.
If you're talking about me, could you point me where I did that? Because that wasn't my intention and I'd like to edit those posts to clarify.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1563424)
Chen stated a looong time ago that they are partnered with Clove.
Really? I never saw that then. Where was this then, I'd assume over here?

catbus 2019-12-18 20:21
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shirabe (Post 1563429)
Really? I never saw that then. Where was this then, I'd assume over here?
"Joined on Oct 2019"

marmistrz 2019-12-18 20:37
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1563408)
Remember also that the Proš is not crowdfunded (I know some will say it is almost the same due to the delays since payments, but well, it still is not a crowdfunded project), meaning F(x)tec had investors. I am not saying those investors included retailers, but that' is a possibility, especially as Clove seems to be UK-based. Or they could just be pre-orderers or IGG backers too. In both cases, it wouldn't be shocking that they get devices at the same time as pre-orderers.

What increases the feeling of being fooled is the slow production followed by long export process. I don't think anyone would have seen a big issue if individual preorders had been fulfilled in a few weeks as initially planned (meaning many more units per week, and shorter duration between those in one batch, those in another one, and retailers). There still is no general availability, those retailers had very limited stocks, so we can't really jump conclusions that F(x)tec skipped pre-orderers to please stockists.
That's a good point, I wasn't aware of how small the retailers stock was, my opinion was probably a little precipitate.

With all respect to the work done by Chen, I won't pretend I'm not annoyed by the shipping postponed again and again. I do feel a little being fooled - how many more times will the device be postponed until I finally get it? February? March? It's great to see a good hwkb phone again, but the F(x)tec's expectation management is, let's be frank, far from being good.

Shirabe 2019-12-18 20:41
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by catbus (Post 1563431)
"Joined on Oct 2019"
Yeah, so? That doesn't somehow negate my ability to read content from before then.

catbus 2019-12-18 20:51
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shirabe (Post 1563433)
Yeah, so? That doesn't somehow negate my ability to read content from before then.
Ofcourse not... Just read It... History...

And sorry... Nothing personal...

catbus 2019-12-18 20:57
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marmistrz (Post 1563432)

Anyway, I won't pretend I'm not annoyed by the shipping postponed again and again. I do feel a little being fooled - how many more times will the device be postponed until I finally get it? February? March?
Honesty is good. Of course, everyone is annoyed (read, pissed off) by the delay. Especially Chen. I can feel his feelings right now. - But, production is rolling, goods are moving. I just wish that don't compare the FXTec to the so-called "big boys". Thanks.

Astaoth 2019-12-18 21:43
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maemish (Post 1563426)
to fill YOUR dreams
Euuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my dreams are a little more complicated and less materials than a smartphone xD.

TheKit 2019-12-18 22:34
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
A note to anyone updating Sailfish through the OBS repository: please flash the kernel after updating packages through pkcon/zypper. Currently it is not done automatically (needs to be investigated, can be a problem with https://github.com/sailfish-on-fxtec...lash-partition). It can be done with the following command:
Code:
dd if=/boot/hybris-boot.img of=/dev/block/bootdevice/by-name/boot_a
The recent change was switching from userdebug to user build for Android adaptation bits (same as stock firmware), which uses different kernel config with lots of debug options disabled and greatly improves bootup time and overall performance. There is newly built CI image which has it already included, but otherwise updating packages and flashing kernel as described above should work for existing installations.

TheKit 2019-12-18 22:50
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Sorry for double post, but I seem to be unable to edit the previous one due to auth token error on forum.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1563428)
1. Not sticky unfortunately
2. No
3. No
1. I didn't test it yet, but xkb provides a way to define latch modifier. As long as it is supported by SailfishOS, it should be just layout change (though I wonder if there is a way to make it configurable).
2. Have been told it is supported by mce, will check it, probably just a matter of configuration.

Kabouik 2019-12-18 22:52
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Thanks TheKit. I plan on doing that tomorrow, so just to make sure I got it right, (1) the flashing guide on the F(x)tec forum, (2) zypper refresh/zypper update, (3) kernel flash? In my case (1) alone should be enough since it will be a new installation, I can use the new image you posted.

Your comment about my three questions is encouraging. Sticky keys are very convenient on thumb keyboards since it's not easy to hold simultaneously multiple keys (could be a risk to drop the phone in some situations). Unlocking with keyboard opening or key press would be very useful too.

gtmaster303 2019-12-18 22:59
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Astaoth (Post 1563436)
Euuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my dreams are a little more complicated and less materials than a smartphone xD.
Yea a little more overbearing than I expected.
With all of these production issues I'm really curious about how they are going to support this device. Warranty and software both. No big faults listed yet, but then again we don't have a big pool of devices either

Maemish 2019-12-19 06:05
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
@Astaoth: Well as I have read from this forum atleast a few people have dreamed of a hwkb phone with better specs than N900. And this thread has been about waiting that dream to come true with this device. So when we are in a forum dedicated on phones and in a thread dedicated to a hwkb device one dream of many people have come true. There is still some waiting to get everything to work with alternative Os'es but still.

And this device is not my dream come true. I'm typing this text with my dream machine: N900. Maybe FxT1 is my dream after I yahve used this for many years - or not.

FlyingAntero 2019-12-19 08:32
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 1563409)
https://www.androidauthority.com/fxt...review-960653/
This review really hurts, I hope Chen and team took this feedback seriously. Some of the things can't be fixed like curved screen but software faults? Did they get a faulty unit?
That guy doesn't seem to like physical keyboards.
Quote:
I'm not sold on the keyboard. The quality is fine, but the keys are a bit flat to me, They have BlackBerry's signature scalloped shape, but each individual key's profile could be more defined. Travel and feedback are solid enough. I pulled out the BlackBerry Classic (late 2014) and can tell you I like that keyboard much better. The Priv's keyboard feels a bit cramped and offers no benefit to me over the excellent software keyboard. Hardware keyboard purists, however, may find that the Priv's keys are just what they need to more effectively tap out emails on the go.
However, I think that he has some points there. Pro1 may need some software tuning if you are going to stick with Android. Positive point is that battery life looks good :).

Shirabe 2019-12-19 09:43
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
https://community.fxtec.com/topic/24...&comment=37688
Quote:
Originally Posted by Erik
We want to explain why a very small number of retailers have the Pro1.

Firstly, they have approached us since we first announced Pro1 at MWC in Feb and we've been in discussions with them since. They have also promised to help with success of the Pro1 in the market place which is important for us. We have only given them a much smaller number of units than they asked for because of all the customer pre-orders. Our pre-orders are our most important customers. For us to be a strong company for you, we also have to build a sustainable business and if we turned those retailers away we would have lost their business going forwards.

Our priority is getting devices to our pre order customers, this has not changed.
Response from Erik regarding the retailers. Seems to be about what I thought.

kinggo 2019-12-19 10:00
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
no. Not really. Your theory was that they jumped the line.
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=3132
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=3144
And it seems that they were in the same waiting line like everybody else. Since February. Add to that, most preorders was 1pc only so whoever get pro1 so far got exactly what he ordered and paid for. And with retailers, from your quote above, that's not the case. So they should be bitching a lot more since it looks like that they didn't exactly get what they preorderd.

Shirabe 2019-12-19 10:09
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1563452)
no. Not really. Your theory was that they jumped the line.
That would've only be from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=3144, which I already corrected. Besides, I said "about", not "100%" or something similar. It is about what I thought, which mainly was that they were getting preferential treatment over "regular" customers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1563452)
And it seems that they were in the same waiting line like everybody else.
Not how I read it, they were getting special treatment. This is evident from F(x)tec being in talks, and F(x)tec giving them a bone to not stop all relations with those shops, and those orders only "technically" being pre-orders, not actually pre-orders, and that they're coming directly from the factory.

Shirabe 2019-12-19 18:37
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shirabe (Post 1563429)
If you're talking about me, could you point me where I did that? Because that wasn't my intention and I'd like to edit those posts to clarify.
Guess you weren't talking about me. That, or you couldn't find any content of mine that fit that description, making it just a baseless accusation. Either way, it might help if you're clearer about who you're talking to and about what because without that it's impossible to find any basis for your claims, making them baseless accusations, and surely you wouldn't want to be a hypocrite.

Fellfrosch 2019-12-19 20:59
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheKit (Post 1563438)
A note to anyone updating Sailfish through the OBS repository: please flash the kernel after updating packages through pkcon/zypper. Currently it is not done automatically (needs to be investigated, can be a problem with https://github.com/sailfish-on-fxtec...lash-partition). It can be done with the following command:
Code:
dd if=/boot/hybris-boot.img of=/dev/block/bootdevice/by-name/boot_a
The recent change was switching from userdebug to user build for Android adaptation bits (same as stock firmware), which uses different kernel config with lots of debug options disabled and greatly improves bootup time and overall performance. There is newly built CI image which has it already included, but otherwise updating packages and flashing kernel as described above should work for existing installations.
Wow! That's really a boost. Boot time is now on a normal level a apps are now starting really fast. All feels really snappy.
Thanx for the update!!

The problem with a crashing system when inserting headphones is also gone. Brilliant.

Kabouik 2019-12-20 14:58
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
I'll also post about my experience with SFOS soon, but I can already say that I am impressed, pleased, and don't see any significant reason not to use it as my daily driver. A huge thanks to all porters for an amazing work!

taixzo 2019-12-20 16:44
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Another question for those with SFOS: does it support double-tap to wake?

Fellfrosch 2019-12-20 16:50
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
yes it does. Even so it isn't absolutely reliable. By the way after the last update not only the performance got better, but also battery life has significantly increased.

Fellfrosch 2019-12-20 18:39
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1563491)
I'll also post about my experience with SFOS soon, but I can already say that I am impressed, pleased, and don't see any significant reason not to use it as my daily driver. A huge thanks to all porters for an amazing work!
Have you been able to set up a working keymap file?

Kabouik 2019-12-20 20:26
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1563495)
yes it does. Even so it isn't absolutely reliable. By the way after the last update not only the performance got better, but also battery life has significantly increased.
I does work all the time when the phone has locked recently. Is it possible that there are two sleep states, with a deep sleep that double tap wouldn't wake? Just throwing hypotheses, but we will need more tests to check when double tap works or does not work.

Not yet Fellfrosch, I haven't even had the time to look into it yet. However I got qwerty fully working including / and ? using the Alt key thanks to TheKit's help (see Github). To explain to those who haven't tried SFOS on the Pro1, the problem with these symbols is they require using the yellow arrow modifier. However, the keyboard on SFOS behaves like a desktop keyboard so far, meaning the yellow characters (second layer symbol) are activated with Shift. This works for special character keys and numbers, but alpha keys just turn into capital letters when used in combination with Shift, as expected. And the issue is ? and / are the second layer of alpha keys, so Shift doesn't trigger them. Therefore, TheKit proposed a small modification to enable them using Alt. Many more possibilities should be possible once we figure out how to use the yellow arrow modifier in SFOS.

nh1402 2019-12-20 20:51
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
What kernel version does the phone use?

Fellfrosch 2019-12-20 21:54
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Hmmmmm after the last update via console My SIM isn't recognized anymore...
Maybe I should reflash it again...
Or can somebody confirm that problem after zypper ref and zypper update.

Kabouik 2019-12-21 00:02
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
I installed directly with the new image so I cannot really confirm, however I did run zypper ref and zypper in and the telephony still works for me.

TheKit 2019-12-21 00:22
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1563509)
Hmmmmm after the last update via console My SIM isn't recognized anymore...
Maybe I should reflash it again...
Or can somebody confirm that problem after zypper ref and zypper update.
Was the kernel reflashed as well? I mean
Code:
dd if=/boot/hybris-boot.img of=/dev/block/bootdevice/by-name/boot_a

Kabouik 2019-12-21 00:57
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Can you play videos with your units, Fellfrosch, TheKit, Mosen? Online streaming like Youtube/Twitter, and local files?

Should we open a thread dedicated to SFOS on Proš? I know we have the Github issues and the F(x)tec forum, but we also have a community here that will not use the other resources, so perhaps it would be nice to have one thread here to post significant news, chit chat, or discuss over issues without cluttering the Github repository. If so, should I do it myself or is it best if the OP is one of the porters?

Kabouik 2019-12-21 03:04
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Temporary and partly broken workaround for us-intl on the qwerty Proš: https://github.com/sailfish-on-fxtec...ment-568145159

Based on my non-official layout for computer keyboard (vanilla us-intl + a few extra characters on unused levels):

https://reho.st/0x0.st/z0gu.png

Kabouik 2019-12-21 04:02
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Interestingly, SFOS has some shortcuts for hwkbds that still work here:

Quote:
- Ctrl+Alt+Backspace = restart Lipstick
- Ctrl+Alt+Delte = reboot
- Ctrl+Left or Right = move cursor word by word
- Ctrl+Up or Down = Home or End
- Shift+Up, Down, Left or Right = move cursor and selects; works in combination to Ctrl too for word by word
- Alt+Tab = task switcher, if application Taskswitcher from Openrepos is installed
- Ctrl+Backspace or Delete = delete previous or next word
- Ctrl+A = select all
- Ctrl+C = copy, but I think there is an issue with the clipboard here, it does not work everywhere; for instance in Sailfish browser, it works in the URL field, not in other text fields
- Ctrl+X = cut, same
- Ctrl+V = paste, seems it does not share the same clipboard as the virtual keyboard; needs more testing
- Ctrl+Z = undo
- Tab = autocomplete (terminal) or next field (works only in some applications)
- Shift+Tab = previous field (same)
- Return = confirm (e.g., when in a password field, or when a button is selected after using Tab, like submit message on TMO)

HtheB 2019-12-21 04:06
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
My advice to you guys is to make a new thread specific for Sailfish OS on the Pro1. Should make things more clear (also for later use)

Kabouik 2019-12-21 04:09
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
I agree, but first would like to wait in case TheKit wants to be OP. Otherwise I'll do it (if so, can you move the above posts into the new thead when it is done?).

Fellfrosch 2019-12-21 06:48
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheKit (Post 1563514)
Was the kernel reflashed as well? I mean
Code:
dd if=/boot/hybris-boot.img of=/dev/block/bootdevice/by-name/boot_a
Yes I did. The SIM Card region is completely greyed out in settings. Mobile Data is completely missing in settings.
I will reflash if needed. No big deal. It's not my main device yet. Even so we are coming closer in big steps, because you do great work. :D


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