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Turn off GPS.

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I'll try and see affer a few days, but...

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...84#post1456784

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I think it could have something to do with having mobile internet connection on. I turned it on earlier today and the battery seems to have gone down a lot quicker than with only Wi-Fi on. I'll do some more tests when I get the time to see if it really impacts battery life that much even when in the presence of a known Wi-Fi access point (so it wouldn't be using the data connection).

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Couldn't really find a better thread for this and I didn't think it was worth its own thread, but:

Who is this guy, and why is he so unbelievably obsessed with the browser? How does he not know that a title of a post is not meant to be a short story? Why does he make so many requests? Why does he keep making so many edits to his posts to correct things literally no one cares about (word order that isn't even incorrect, changing commas to periods and such)?

Truly, this is the greatest mystery I have ever encountered (other than 'Cicada 3301', which I also recently stumbled upon).

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****ing *****s :mad:
can't even transfer a backup from one device to another

no other company is *****ic LIKE that indeed
they claim to be open and in fact they are not

apologies about that one...
completely missed the

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Yes, though it is possible to zip the .local folder and transfer it using mtp protocol or over wifi using sshfs, ie the geeks way. Or copy it to a sdcard.

I've always backed up .local because it is how i do on a computer, no need to rely on specialized and limited gui.

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?

1. Create backup on device 1
2. Copy/move backup to microSD/computer/'cloud'
3. Copy/move backup from microSD/computer/'cloud' to device 2
4. ???
5. Profit!

Do you want to be able to share it straight from device 1 to device 2? Locally? With Bluetooth? That seems like something almost no one would ever use - unless I'm mistaken and there are many people who carry around two identical devices and move backups from one to the other for whatever reason. I have a feeling I'm not.

Edit: ah, just realised the backup only gets compressed when you move it to the microSD card, otherwise it's just the .vault directory. In any case I don't think copying a directory is particularly complicated, my parents can do it.

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First, I have no idea what this has to do with openness (agreed with Dave).

Second, of course you can do that. Just transfer the backup folder (.vault) to the other device.

Finally, since you were wrong anyways, wouldn't be better to post something like "Hey guys, how do I transfer the backup from one device to another? Thanks.", instead of this nonsense?

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My thoughts exactly... I am using cron+rsync to back up my home every night and dropping that back to any device is piece of cake really... :D

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that's what i did exactly
had to reset the device afterwards
been doing that for the last 24 hrs so, just one more time, right?
this time i added a step, i 1st made a backup on device 2
maybe something needs to be "initialized"?

see above...

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Not sure how big is your backup and how you are transferring it, but what about trying to compress it just like Jolla does it when you have microSD attached?

First
and then
on the other device.
I have transferred backups this way before Jolla enabled the easy transfer through microSD.

What's there to see? I couldn't find anything that would justify the attitude. Yet I'm trying to help you even though you didn't even ask for it.

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i have a 64GB µSDXC on which i have two ext2 partition (src and src.ins)
it went into src.ins/home/nemo/.vault

even though the 2 ext2 partitions are only about 8GB in total, plenty of room (for 1742MB?) and i didn't even bother with compressing

btw...
earlier today, about 2 or 3 device resets ago i installed mc
guess what... it's still there
not sure what that darn reset does except losing the user's data and going back to version 1, but it doesn't seem very thorough at it
thanks for the help, btw

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.vault is not a subdirectory of .local
both are in /home/nemo

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I read somewhere that currently there is no support for SD cards with multiple partitions, or at least only the first partition is used. Maybe that's what you're having problems with?

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with version "1" and 1.0.2.5 the SD card wasn't even mounted, indeed
anything >= 1.0.7.16 all the partitions (vFAT and ext2) get mounted
it doesn't seem to know what to do with the two (extended) swap partitions however, but well, only needed it on N900, right?

Edit:
works :) :cool:
just need to know which is the default swap partition and all set :confused:

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If you do own a microSD card, then what about the official way:

1. Open Settings/Backup and create backup on device 1
2. Choose 'Copy to memory card' from the pulldown menu
3. Put the memory card in the device 2
4. Open Settings/Backup and choose 'Restore from memory card' from the pulldown menu

That doesn't work? Or is that option not yet available on your system version?

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nice
pity it doesn't work
had to provide a (vFAT) card with a single partition
so far, so good
1st troublesome point: from 1.7GB on the source device the backup is now 2.0GB
with interests?
2nd (and most annoying) hardly anything gets restored
calls & messages and that's it
seen that it's a secondary device on which the calls & SMSes are few and far between, i don't really care
(primary is now a NOKIA Lumia 1020)
the rest?
nada

i stroke thru my initial post today even though it's only for the honourable mention
as usual with Jolla, it doesn't work
unlike alright

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That's quite weird, considering my compressed backup (using the same official way) is under 30MB. But I don't backup photos this way, because I find copying them using sftp easier.

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the Jolla backup.tar is not compressed, thus (at least) 1:1 the original data (1742MBs in my case)
i meanwhile discovered that Jolla doesn't only transfer the last backup (as one might expect) but all of them
however that works, as there is only one .vault dir (which is 1742MBs)

yet another unlike thing, i guess :confused: :rolleyes:

i have the NOKIA Lumia 1020 for the photos thus yet another thing i don't need the Jolla for :D

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I see. Therefore I have < 30MB uncompressed ;)
I love complaining without actually knowing how it works.

The backup system in Jolla (The Vault) is based on git, therefore you can have 50 backups, but the files have just one copy per version.
Let's illustrate on photos:
If you make one backup in April, another in August (taking pictures in the meanwhile) and a third one in December (again, lots of pictures in between), then the size of the three backups combined will be the same as the size of the last (December) backup.
Of course, it is up to you how many backups you want to preserve (you can delete the rest), but complaining that Jolla saves all backups is beyond my understanding.

I'd call it smart, if anything.

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Yes, i know. I don't use .vault. Only care about whats in ~/.local or ~/.config and ~/.cache occasionally. Sorry for this confusion.

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know what?
only 6 months ago, when my N900 was still functioning (USB port...) i would have completely agreed with you
now i had for a little over two months the NOKIA Lumia 1020 as my primary phone (wasn't going to use the Jolla for that, was i?)
yes, m$ LostDOS is even worth on a phone then on a computer (possibly because it's not so popular, thus less "hackers" are working on it...) BUT... i don't mind IT WORKS!
sometimes i write three sentences with only taping a dozen letters (thanks to the predictive keyboard)
not as geek as the N900 keyboard, but so much faster!
for the rest, NOKIA obviously had a big input on WP 8.x and the functionality is even better then the best we ever had from NOKIA (individual ring tone per contact to give but one example)
it's a pity NOKIA had to disappear for this to happen (certainly wasn't needed) but... again, it's the best NOKIA phone i ever had

smart? useless yes, but that has (again) nothing to do with the "git backup" but with the lousy way Jolla implemented it
(no restoration of wallpaper (there is even only ONE - seems they can't even do THAT) Wi-Fi networks and so on and so forth...)

going to try Veeall's tip, backing up .local & all that & see what comes out of it.

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if jolla call list app or message app is minimized to multi task menu as the latest view app then they are totally black in multi task menu. if they are minimized and not top left they are looking good in multi task menu. is this a bug or expected behaviour?

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Because you are concerned about your privacy? Well I am concerned. That is why I purchased a Jolla, because I did not want to give personal data to Google or Apple.

I believed since Jolla's Sailfish OS is based on Linux it would give me the freedom, privacy and security I am used to as Linux user.

However, after purchasing the phone I found out, that Jolla is even worse then Apple or Google. With iPhone or Android you can at least use e-mail and alarm clock without being forced to add an account.
I read your privacy policy and could not find any convincing purpose for this data collection madness.
I do not want to give you my personal data just for accessing the software repositories. Please, be better than Google and Apple and change your policies.

Please stop spying on us!

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Just received Highscreen Alpha Rage 2 case i ordered for my jolla: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/n4scagn77...g1bUJM2Ha?dl=0

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@Dave999, I can't reproduce it. My covers for all apps, including those you mention, stay the same regardless of the position on the home screen.

@Yminus, I could not agree more! I love the idea of the phone shipped as a blank sheet - in fact I would have prefered even fewer apps preinstalled - but the idea that you need to create an account... My first thoughts were exactly the same as yours.

@coderus, nice :) I would prefer a thinner case but I like yours too.

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well, @Yminus, @pichlo, how would you like to access email for example if you do not have a mail reader application...?

To install the application you need to download it from the store, and to download from store you need to have an account... capish?

If you do not like that, well you can always install Nemo on your device, and do without SFOS and the associated eyecndy.

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Let's just take a minute and see what data you need to give up for a Jolla account (which you only need to access the store and post on TJC):
- username
- password

Oh. My. God. Outrageous!

That said, they should definitely do away with the Google tracking on their websites and use Piwik or something.

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No capish. It's only a Jolla's choice that you need an account to access their repository. I did not need a store account to install anything on any of my Linux PCs or my Maemo phone.

True, but it might be argued that there is a bigger difference between requiring nothing at all and requiring that than there is between requiring that and requiring that plus your full name, house number, shoe size and names of all your pets.

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As far as I can tell Jolla knows more about me than Nokia ever did.

If you bought your Jolla through their webstore they actually know your full name, adress etc. and linked the IMEI of the device to it. The same IMEI is linked to your Jolla account making the profile pretty complete.

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Well, that's really the case for any online shop. If you don't want to give them that information, don't buy from them, buy through someone else, or buy in a real shop.

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Yep. Again much the same here. Phone came off the charger at about 06:30 this morning and was down to 95% by 08:00. I was commuting during that, and not using the phone. So like you no calls, no SMS. WiFi and 3G on. Sysmon on.

And that's been pretty much the drain rate I have seen since I got the phone (apart from a brief, impressive period where I was only draining between 1-2% per hour about 2 firmware versions ago)

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Yep, that looks a familiar pattern. Here's mine:

Attachment 36430

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It's a bug and a known issue:

https://together.jolla.com/question/...1-other-issues

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The situation here is indeed that the phone was a gift bought by somebody else.

However, I have no problem to identify myself in a webshop of my choice to buy something. But this here is different:

• My identity would be linked to a communication device which I carry with me 24/7 and which may be under control of Jolla Ltd.. I do not want to insinuate anything, yet I know it is technically possible and other companies have no qualms about implementing back-doors, see: Samsung Galaxy back-door.
• I don't want to buy something, I just want to install some free apps which add basic functionality I expect from a "smart" phone. And I want software updates (bugfixes/security patches).

Yes, you are right. But if this information is so useless as you suggest, why do they want it at all? Can you give me a convincing evidence for why they insist on creating an account?

In their "privacy" policy Jolla Ltd. state:

So what do they mean when they say "It should be for you to decide what personal data you want to share and when." and at the same time force me to register just for accessing the software repositories?

Jolla claims to be different but I can't see any difference.


--

Why don't you block those trackers in your browser? E.g. by installing these plug-ins:

• NoScript
• AdBlockPlus
• Ghostery

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No idea, maybe they want to limit access to their repositories to people who bought a device. Maybe the account system is already there for whenever paid apps are supported, in which case you would probably need to create an account anyway. Does it matter?

Out of those three only NoScript is needed, ABP is completely unnecessary and bloated (and even allows ads by default) and Ghostery is proprietary.


If you don't want to be tracked using a mobile phone, there is only one option: don't use one. Using a phone with open hardware is only a pseudo-option, as you can only not be tracked if you disable all connections, which would defeat the purpose of a phone, or you are your own service provider and also provide service to all your contacts and in fact to everyone all over the world. Not to mention the devices with open hardware are currently either old and not available anywhere, or vaporware.

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Oh yes it does! The general rule should always be, "unless there is a compelling reason for doing it, don't!" Especially when it comes to privacy and sharing personal data.

When Google requires you to create an account to access their play store, everyone has their arms in the air shouting about evil Google harvesting your private data. When Jolla does the same thing, why should the reaction be any different? Because Google is evil and Jolla is good? And how do you know that?

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Huh? They are only asking for a username, which you can completely make up. Even if it ran off email addresses, you can make those up too.

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As pichlo already stated it is not a matter of quantity of data that is revealed. If it was my free choice to join a Jolla Ltd. managed user community (but here we are talking about access to software repos) I would probably join voluntarily as I joined this forum (and many other forums as well).

The problem is that every Jolla user is forced into this otherwise his phone is not so "smart" at all. This is a really bad practice Apple started years ago, Google adopted this or to be more exact they had the account first and then they came up with the device and with Windows 8 Microsoft is catching up.

Maybe you got used to this kind of practice and meanwhile it seems natural to you. But I think this is a very bad development.

You may argue Jolla Ltd. is a small engineering company and not a big data leech like Google, Apple and Microsoft. However, the same applied to Whatsapp or Mojang. Things may change.

Jolla Ltd. may argue "take it or leave it". But then, why should I take a Jolla and not a CyanogenMod device (e.g. OnePlus One or Geeksphone) or keep on using my N900 until the Neo900 is available?

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I'd say there is quite a large difference between Google and Jolla, namely that one is a company that makes its money by selling your data, and the other isn't. Google has a lot more information on you even if you don't use it, chances are at least one of your contacts uses GMail or any of their other malware. For a while you weren't even able to create a Google account if you did not use your real name!

Btw, please don't see my reactions as defending Jolla. I'm attacking nonsensical accusations.

@Yminus: "Things may change." Of course. That doesn't mean they will. Maybe tomorrow Microsoft will buy Jolla. Maybe Apple will. Maybe even Google. This is nothing more than speculation, without any good reasons, even.