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GrimyHR 2012-05-06 08:51
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1202460)
nice, in the graph it is clearly visible that nokia was growing until february 2011 when that ****** announced killing the symbian and going with wp

danramos 2012-05-06 08:58
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimyHR (Post 1202463)
nice, in the graph it is clearly visible that nokia was growing until february 2011 when that ****** announced killing the symbian and going with wp
But he's grinning! Clearly this is a WINNING strategy! Lumiaman assures me that it is too!

misterc 2012-05-06 12:01
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1202460)
there are no problems...
only (wrong) solutions ¦-)))))))))))))))

specc 2012-05-06 18:22
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimyHR (Post 1202463)
nice, in the graph it is clearly visible that nokia was growing until february 2011 when that ****** announced killing the symbian and going with wp
Nonsense. Look at the whole picture.

Their problems started to materialize at the end of 2007. Feb 2011 is hardly visible. Elop was hired in to solve the problem, but clearly things are not going in the right direction.

What went wrong? Android and Apple came on the scene with better products. That's it. Better in the sense that they are preferred by more people.

What Elop did was unforgivable. Not that he apparently killed Symbian/Meego, he didn't, those OS'es were doomed the minute iOS and Android entered. What he did was to marginalize hardware in favor of "ecosystems". That wasn't a bad move initially because hardware business in Europe cannot compete with China, and Nokia had to move on into the future. The cardinal sin he did was to go with an ecosystem-model of yesterday, Windows. He exchanged control of hardware for an ecosystem that cannot in any way, shape or form compete with Google. MS/WIndows may be able to compete with Apple, but Apple will soon disappear in the same manner as RIM, WM, Symbian, Palm, WebOS has vanished. Google is a force way beyond that of an "ecosystem" of yesterday. Google is a child of the internet; information, data and statistics is the blood. This stuff was previously largely unobtainable and most of it didn't even exist. The ones that could obtain some of it, used it to assert control of others.

Samsung did the right thing. They knew deep down they couldn't figure out a way that didn't include Google, they couldn't even figure out exactly what made Google tick. They made an attempt with Bada, but ultimately made a head on attack on everyone in the business with the one thing they knew really well - Hardware. That has paid off, and will pay more off in the years to come.

Previously I thought people would object to the spy-methods of Google, that Android would fracture into thousand pieces and that generally the "old" ways would come back. The exact opposite is happening, largely because Google is good, they don't force anyone. The "old" ways has proven to be toothless against Google. Apple will be the last one to fall, but fall it will.

daperl 2012-05-06 18:54
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Look, it's real simple. It's all about three symbols that both end in 7.

Nokias major f*ck up BE (Before Elop):

N97

Nokias major f*ck up AE (After Elop):

WP7

They should have stuck with the converging Qt plan, but they were no longer they any more. They fell victim to Redmond's version of Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

GrimyHR 2012-05-06 19:38
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1202653)
Nonsense. Look at the whole picture.

Their problems started to materialize at the end of 2007. Feb 2011 is hardly visible. Elop was hired in to solve the problem, but clearly things are not going in the right direction.

What went wrong? Android and Apple came on the scene with better products. That's it. Better in the sense that they are preferred by more people.

What Elop did was unforgivable. Not that he apparently killed Symbian/Meego, he didn't, those OS'es were doomed the minute iOS and Android entered. What he did was to marginalize hardware in favor of "ecosystems". That wasn't a bad move initially because hardware business in Europe cannot compete with China, and Nokia had to move on into the future. The cardinal sin he did was to go with an ecosystem-model of yesterday, Windows. He exchanged control of hardware for an ecosystem that cannot in any way, shape or form compete with Google. MS/WIndows may be able to compete with Apple, but Apple will soon disappear in the same manner as RIM, WM, Symbian, Palm, WebOS has vanished. Google is a force way beyond that of an "ecosystem" of yesterday. Google is a child of the internet; information, data and statistics is the blood. This stuff was previously largely unobtainable and most of it didn't even exist. The ones that could obtain some of it, used it to assert control of others.

Samsung did the right thing. They knew deep down they couldn't figure out a way that didn't include Google, they couldn't even figure out exactly what made Google tick. They made an attempt with Bada, but ultimately made a head on attack on everyone in the business with the one thing they knew really well - Hardware. That has paid off, and will pay more off in the years to come.

Previously I thought people would object to the spy-methods of Google, that Android would fracture into thousand pieces and that generally the "old" ways would come back. The exact opposite is happening, largely because Google is good, they don't force anyone. The "old" ways has proven to be toothless against Google. Apple will be the last one to fall, but fall it will.
what about the fact that their smartphone sales were going up continuously until 2011? so symbian was growing even with ios and android being there for years already.
http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/upl...7.02.02-PM.png
you see? and how much is it shipping with wp now?

i wouldnt be surprised if nokia still sold more symbian smatphones than all wp phones from all manufacturers combined together

gerbick 2012-05-06 22:14
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
That graph stops before the "burning platform" memo. Whole picture would be from 2007 to 2012.

GrimyHR 2012-05-07 07:10
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1202757)
That graph stops before the "burning platform" memo. Whole picture would be from 2007 to 2012.
yes, it stops one month before that, i couldnt find one that goes to 2012 in a short time, but this one shows that symbian was rising right before the memo

switch-hitter 2012-05-07 11:10
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1202757)
That graph stops before the "burning platform" memo. Whole picture would be from 2007 to 2012.
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/image...pmentsq211.jpg

Elop's apologists would have you believe the timing of Symbian's crash was entirely coincidental :rolleyes:

zimon 2012-05-07 11:24
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
And profits:

http://static8.businessinsider.com/i...-2007-2010.jpg

And Elop-effect:

http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...4a50dcd970d-pi


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