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shmerl 2013-08-02 21:26

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
I doubt "licensing Sailfish" is a good model at all. They need something else. Partnerships, etc. Mozilla for example doesn't "license" Firefox OS - it's fully open source. Still, they have partners. How exactly does it work?

nodevel 2013-08-03 00:25

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1364557)
Partnerships, etc. Mozilla for example doesn't "license" Firefox OS - it's fully open source. Still, they have partners. How exactly does it work?

How does it work?
Mozilla is a non-profit organization, so it's a completely different situation. I doubt that Jolla would want to have no profit at all ;)

Plus who would choose Firefox if it wasn't free - it doesn't bring anything new or revolutionary after all...

But I agree having more (partner) developers on board is a good idea, especially at this stage.

jalyst 2013-08-03 04:51

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1364542)
From here: https://sailfishos.org/about-license.html
So hopefully they won't lose the momentum and won't retain their applications and UI closed source.

In this talk....
http://kde-app.mirror.uber.com.au/ak...ilfish_OS.webm
Or maybe it was this one...
http://files.kde.org/akademy/2013/vi...er_and_Qt.webm
The Jolla employee seemed very sure that it'll eventually become mostly open (if not 100%).
Orig. source:
http://files.kde.org/akademy/2013/videos/

Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1364557)
I doubt "licensing Sailfish" is a good model at all. They need something else. Partnerships, etc.
Mozilla for example doesn't "license" Firefox OS - it's fully open source. Still, they have partners. How exactly does it work?

Much of this area is covered [fairly] well in the MeR video I linked above.

mikecomputing 2013-08-03 09:11

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1364598)
In this talk....
http://kde-app.mirror.uber.com.au/ak...ilfish_OS.webm
Or maybe it was this one...
http://files.kde.org/akademy/2013/vi...er_and_Qt.webm
The Jolla employee seemed very sure that it'll eventually become mostly open (if not 100%).
Orig. source:
http://files.kde.org/akademy/2013/videos/



Much of this area is covered [fairly] well in the MeR video I linked above.

Don't forget that employer does not always knows companys fully strategy. After all they are engineers not bosses.

but i scares me that jolla seems to not fully have a longer strategy mens after first phone release. After all they need some kind of bussiness model especially if they go fully opensource..

jalyst 2013-08-03 13:50

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1364623)
Don't forget that employer does not always knows companys fully strategy. After all they are engineers not bosses

He said it quite emphatically, like he's spoken to senior management & they're in agreement.
Find the snippet I'm talking about...
Of course things could change, that's always a very real (& understandable) possibility.

Quote:

but i scares me that jolla seems to not fully have a longer strategy mens after first phone release. After all they need some kind of bussiness model especially if they go fully opensource..
Agreed, not enough detail there, hopefully we'll hear much more, & sooner rather than later.

marmistrz 2013-09-03 18:55

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Just wondering.. I have 20 pages of apps.... And how could I get quickly to the multitasking? Some pull stuff should be in the middle too.

RX-51 2013-09-07 22:12

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
A nice "other half" would be an e-ink display. One company introduced its own solution for various mobiles on the IFA:

http://www.heise.de/imgs/18/1/0/7/3/...883cd3d7f.jpeg

google translated version:
http://translate.google.de/translate...951841&act=url

original article in german:
http://heise.de/-1951841

Rugoz 2013-09-08 04:21

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
In the light of recent developments I think Jolla has a slight chance to establish itself on the market.

- The NSA leaks have shown that Android (or better the services that come along with it) is basically spyware for the american government.

- Microsoft is now a hardware maker, hence others will likely refrain from doing WP phones in the future.

- In general handset makers may want to become indepenent of Google services in the longer term, i.e. be able to pick whatever service-provider they'd like.

Of course they could also use Ubuntu Mobile or an Android fork, however at least the latter comes with known problems.

kollin 2013-09-08 07:10

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
My concern is that i'll get a Jolla phone and afterwards Nokia will buy them and I'll be forced (again) to deal with their stupid policies. :mad:

jalyst 2013-09-08 07:20

Re: Sailfish(Jolla): Ideas/Qns & Concerns/Criticisms
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RX-51 (Post 1372791)
A nice "other half" would be an e-ink display. One company introduced its own solution for various mobiles on the IFA:

http://www.heise.de/imgs/18/1/0/7/3/...883cd3d7f.jpeg

google translated version:
http://translate.google.de/translate...951841&act=url

original article in german:
http://heise.de/-1951841

I'd still prefer a dedicated e-reader at around novel size, i.e. 7".
But I can see how it'd be appealing to some...


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