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Juiceme made for me these instructions to install ED + Netsurf 3.8.

https://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian/L..._Debian_Jessie

These just lack the instructions to change to the debian archives but if one just wants to use Netsurf it is better not to change to archives for there becomes easily many problems when installing there (like 20 times installed ED again after breaking it).

And for me I always have to "groupadd crontab" in chroot first when using the juicemes jessie2sulu img. because otherwise the installing stuff won't work.

But could this Juiceme instructions be modified to install netsurf 3.9? Is there some differences? And if you sulu have knowledge more of how to make the image work (or make an updated image to download with ED) that would be awesome! But appreciate all what you have done.

One question though: what is the benefit of changing from 3.8 to 3.9? I mean with 3.8 still many things wont work (videos, some sites not working properly) and if this is the case with 3.9 too I'm interested to know what is better then, why to change. EDIT: Just got an answer from the security certificate thread that 3.9 supports TLS 1.3 so maybe whatsappweb would work with that. Now just have to get 3.9 to work. If I remove openssl libcurl3 and Netsurf 3.8 and do the same with your stuff with libcurl4 and openssl as I've done with 3.8 according to juiceme's instructions should it work?

I really hope that I would have a well working browser. Things I would need for N900: working browser (gonna install again on ED chromium 57 from odroid to get whatsapp and instagram working cause netsurf 3.8 atleast could not do what I need, that is developer mode or agent to fool instagram to think I'm using mobile. I think Iceweasel maybe would do it if I only knew how to make it pretend to be a mobile cause otherwise you can't post images and I'm on amission in instagram. I follow only one person and use it a channel to post my thoughts to public), working youtube (haven't got cutetube2 to play videos even though it is said it is possible to make it happen), working navigation (which I think is possible but not yet found out how). N900 is though my main phone that I use and not wanna change that.

Thanks sulu for keeping alive N900 with ED and Netsurf and thanks for juiceme for great instructions for installing.

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I always do the mistake that I try to install synaptic. That just breaks everything. At least if you start to use fix missing and -f install and aptitude and in panic go to do the same with backports. Just giving a warning and an advice Like someone would be that stupid to even try (I am).

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Hahaha...
Oh Maemish my man...
Do you think you are the only soul here silly enough to install synaptic ? Or apt force install? Or apt fix missing?
Or anything of that ilk?
I know I've done it...
And repeatedly too..
So who is sillier?

Its a learning curve everyone goes through...
So don't be so hard on yourself.

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Tried your transfer.sh links with microb, opera and netsurf. Files not found. Is it because browsers? Can someone confirm success downloading files?

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I have no idea what you're talking about.

It's true that "user" under ED is not a member of a group "crontab", but neither is this the case under Maemo.
I don't know what's going on there for you.

Sure. Just use the packages of my 1st archive in his step 5.
That being said, I don't know why he's talking about dbus problems. dbus and dbus-x11 should be installed in the image according to [1].

I could probably do that some time in the future, but there's not much reason for doing that. Jessie is "old-oldstable" by now, so there's not a lot going on in it anymore.
As I said earlier, we're all riding a dead horse here.

Honestly, I have no idea. I try to avoid browsing the web from the N900 whenever I can (mostly I can).
I'm not building netsurf because I use it a lot. For me this is more like a sport than a necessity. I believe netsurf is the last remaining actually usefull browser for the N900 and updating it from time to time is sort of a hobby of mine - just like others collect stamps. I just rebased it on openssl 1.1 because I saw bradvesp's thread and I liked the challenge.

Netsurf isn't meant to be a feature-complete browser like Firefox or Chromium. So a lot of things will never work. Video is one of them. This minimalism is a reason why it's so fast (and therefore still usable on the N900).
The benefit of updating from 3.8 to 3.9 might be, that upstream fixed some security issues (I'm just guessing here), and in the context of my openssl change some more websites might work now than before.
But really, if you're concerend about security, you shouldn't touch the N900 with a 10m pole!

The links work for me in all three browsers.


[1] http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=3138

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For me it really says File not found. I wil check with a laptop. I have noticed this same problem before. Maybe you have something updated I dona't have.

Just to make sure: When you said that dbus and x11 should be nstalled according to (1 do you mean that they should already be working in the img jessie2sulu or that they should be installed afterwards to it according to (1)? I mean that is it necessary to do all the stuff you have listed in your link after I have installed img to easy debbie, or is that just from the beginning of easy debbie and that many or all of those things are already included in later images? If not no wonder why I have had problems. And which img you suggest to install? Is it jessie2sulu or something else?

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There's nothing to update in Maemo anymore.

That post I linked is a manual on how to create your own ED images from scratch.
So if you download one of my images you'll get exactly what is the end result of that manual (unless I screwed up, which has happened).
Since the jessie2sulu image is the latest one, of course that's the one I'd suggest you to download.

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Ok. I have always installed that. But the dbus and X11 seems unconfigured or atleast it gives errors with them. Also there is this one thing with number 6 in the end which causes problems. You mentioned something about it in the instructions but can't now remeber what it was. Some applications require it but if I try to install there has became a lot of dependency problems, problems with dpkg and such. I try to document what it is and what happens with it. I remember juiceme warned me about it.

Libc6 it was I think. When I have tried to install some browser related apps (was it telegram) or some other I think it was this libc6 that was required. Should it be in the image and if so is there some problems if it is updated or something? I don't hope you to answer these questions beause this is possibly not enough information. I may try to give you more info later. Maybe I should try what I have tried before and make a mess of my ED and then info what I managed to do and how.

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it's the other way around

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@Maemish:
Please try to make your posts more concise! It's very hard to figure out what you're doing, what worked, what didn't work, and why whatever you did, didn't work.
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Not according to heise.de:
https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meld...s-4408980.html

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Yes, understood it myself and thats why I said: I don't hope you to answer because of too little information and that I may give more info later. Sorry. Could have left that post not posted at all. Just so happy that there is discussion going of ED and Netsurf and you around who know stuff. I will soon reflash my N900 and start from scratch and then install jessie2sulu and netsurf 3.9. Let's see what happens and I will document better the problems.

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interesting....... It does not work in Spain also. But we all know who and why put the pressure on them to make that move.

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Fresh install of jessie2sulu. Needed to groupadd crontab to be able to install anything. Gives otherwise statoverride error.

Also gives dbus and x11 errors. x11 needs dbus but dbus it not configured.

libcurl4 needed libidn2-0 to be installed first.

So I reflashed my device today, have been setting it up for many hours, and finally got Netsurf 3.9 installed. Thank you sulu!

But - it didn't help me. I still need to install chromium 57 which does not work well and have a lot of problems. Too bad I don't know how to make it work better and too bad but understandable that you sulu are not interested to check it (if I remember correct I asked and you said it is already outdated and unsecure so no point). Or may I ask: can you try to open with Midori the whatsappweb page. If you can, does it say: browser not supported - as with netsurf?

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I would be interested to have an office program on ED. Is OpenOffice possible to get and if so how? Would also like to know what are the best benefits and apps you get to your N900 by using Easy Debbie. But thanks again sulu for 3.9. Faster than 3.8 I would say.

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Can anyone else confirm this?

Can you post the output please:That's quite possible. After all, you're installing a brand new package via dpkg, which has no dependency resolving of its own.

I tried opening web.whatsapp.com with Midori 7 in an x86 VM but only got something along the lines of "Oops, something went wrong."
I believe this was a message from Midori/Gtk, rather than from the web page. I've seen similarly "helpful" messages from Gnome/Gtk programs in the past.


You should be able to install libreoffice but I believe I found it to be rather slow.
As an alternative you could install abiword (word processor) and gnumeric (spreadsheet), which are much lighter than libreoffice, but their compatibility is limited. I think you have to be careful which file formats to use when exchanging files between abiword/gnumeric and LO back and forth.

Didn't we have a dedicated thread for that some months ago?
Quite frankly, there's not a lot left in the N900 for me. Its hardware and even more so its software are just too outdated for me to be fun anymore. I'm only still using it because there has never been any other phone that convinced me to switch.

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So here it is.

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It seems I made some blunder with the jessie2armhf image. It's basically unusable. The whole user configuration must be messed up. Seems like nobody else has actually tried it before.
I'll have to look into it further and will probably release a new image after the weekend.

In the meantime, the jessie1armhf image should work fine from a technical POV. It's just more outdated than jessie2armhf.

Thanks for the feedback!

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Ok. I have not expected it to work better 'cause just thought that this is the best that can be done. Now I'm excited 'cause it may be that the chromium 57 could then also work better possibly. And thanks for putting time on something you don't need yourself.

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Hi sulu,

I haven't had a chance to use my N900 lately, so it has been a while. I was wondering if you have in your archives the debian_jessie0sulu_armhf.img.lzma image, and if you wouldn't mind posting it somewhere or giving it to qole so he can put it in his server. The one he has is corrupted (its size is only 68 bytes.)

Thanks!

malfunctioning

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I still have the jessie0 image, and I also noticed, that qole seems to have the wrong file on his server. Actually it's not corrupted. For whatever reason his lzma file is an md5sum file for his original md5sum file, which of course makes no sense. Then again, his original md5sum differs from the one I get from my actual lzma archive. :confused:

I was going to ask qole to take the jessie0 image down altogether, because with newer images of the same release available, the old ones are of no use (except for of course, if the newer ones are corrupted for some reason).
I wanted to do this when uploading a jessie3 image, but I didn't get around to create one last weekend, and I'm not going to be able to do it next weekend.

Is there a reason why you don't want to use the jessie1 image?
Using the jessie0 image wouldn't be a good idea, even if it was intact on qole's server. I created it when Jessie was still testing (although I believe it was already frozen), so there might be incompatibilities with Jessie after the release, that should be possible but might be complicated to resolve.

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Thanks for update of the img situation. I have then still time to mess this img really bad. I tried to install fmpeg to get youtube-dl to work properly but did not succeed. Again that libc6 - which I tried to install again and it asks me to distupgrade.

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I downloaded youtube-dl from upstream and it works fine for me in ED.
I've already had mpv installed in ED, which in Jessie depends on libav.
libav is/was(?) an ffmpeg fork that was used in Jessie, because ffmpeg was a little sleepy at that time.
I have no idea what happens if you try to install actual ffmpeg in Jessie. At least it would collide with libav.

1. As I wrote in one of our PM's, libc6 is set on hold in Jessie for a reason. Don't install any vanilla packages of it without patching them!
I already built the latest glibc packages for Jessie and I'll upload them once I upload a new image.
Besides, there's little point in updating glibc. It doesn't change any functionality and the security point is kind of moot anyway, because even the latest packages are 2 years old by now.

2. If apt asks you to do a dist-upgrade, it means that your installed packages are inconsistent. That may very well be the case, especially if you installed my Midori 7 build, which includes a lot of backports.
Please provide more accurate information! The exact error message and the output of dpkg -l would be useful.

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Sorry, did not think to get any answers to my post. Thought it just to be a notion "Dont try this because you break things". Gonna stop this kind of posts in this thread cause you try to really help and answer.

But so you watch in Jessie side with mpv? I download them straight on MyDocs and watch with openplayer on fremantle side.

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I didn't try that. Actually, when I saw your post I only downloaded the audio part of a youtube video this morning with youtube-dl and vlc in ED plays it.
mpv technically played it too, but I heard no sound because apparently I have some problem between mpv and pulseaudio, which I'd have to look into.

mpv nowadays has the --ytdl switch, which allows you to play youtube videos via youtube-dl directly, but Jessie's mpv version is too old for that.
I once backported mpv from Stretch to Jessie on amd64 because I needed some newer feature. But that was a nightmare, so I'm not eager to backport mpv on armhf.

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And no need. Either someone can fix cutetube2 or one can always download from jessie to fremantle.

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Im trying to download something inside Netsurf9 and when click Save in the opening windows asking for location, netsurf crash and close :(:confused:

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Could not replicate that problem. Atleast not with downloading an image. Did you install it with the instructions and all dependencies which sulu gave in this thread earlier? Where have you your Easy Debbie (I have on an sdcard)? Where did you install your Netsurf? Have you given enough priviledges to write with your ED (like if it is an sdcard)?

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Or have you overclocked your N900? Not really thinking that it could cause it with this actions load but just to gather all possibilities. My phone rebooted when I had it overclocked to 900 and made some apt-get installs. Or have you changed your swap settings? That also caused problems when I had swappolude with recommended settings. Now using only 30 as a swap setting and left other settings to be default and not having swappolude.

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I installed this files:

libcurl4_7.64.0-4_armhf.deb
libssl1.1_1.1.1c-1_armhf.deb
netsurf_3.9-1_all.deb
netsurf-common_3.9-1_all.deb
netsurf-gtk_3.9-1_armhf.deb

and libdin2 in adittion to dependency of libcurl4.

No overclocking at moment.

Im trying with image in MyDocs and MicroSD and same result..

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Did you start netsurf from chroot terminal or first opening the lxde desktop? And what about rights to write?

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And what image you are using?

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I can't reproduce this with random downloads.
Can you please start netsurf from a terminal and post the output after the crash?
Also, is there something special about your download link?

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Hi all..

Sulu, in terminal when crashed "segmentation fault"

Is regular direct download from qole web files.

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Ok, I can reproduce this. The problem seems to be libssl-related. I'll have to see if I can debug this. Hopefully it's just a missing dependency.

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Let´s hope, thank you

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Please, any update? :D:o

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That's some serious gravedigging.
Ask again in 2023 :D

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If I remember rigjt I got segmentation fault while trying to install libc6 or something. But I remember having the same problem with netsurf that I was unable to download stuff. I think the solution could be found with easy debbie setup guide which had some info of giving rights to this or that to have access to filesystem.

It has been some years ago since I used ED. My way to solve things was to add all backport repos and try install --re-install with aptitude and by using -fix-missing and such. Normally it ended with broken ED and I started all over again. But my success moment was to use whatsapp web and telegram desktop with odroid Chromium 57 and to be able to post images to instagram with developer tools workaround. Not really that usable setup.

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Sorry for the delay! Of course a year later my memory is kind of blurry, but I remember multiple attempts of trying to backport a (then) recent(ish) libssl. But either the backport failed or it didn't work with netsurf.
Maybe it's time to accept that there comes the point where a 6 years old userspace running on a 13 years old kernel has no future.

That being said, I was recently approached by Maemish, who asked me for an ED Jessie image for the N810, which I had long ago sort of promised. So here it finaly is. [1] I'll contact qole and ask him to add that image to his server. [2]
It should also run on the N900 without kernel-power, the N800 and maybe even on the N770.
Consider this my ED farewell contribution.


On another note, what actually brought me back to ED is, that in light of the pandemic and not owning a recent smartphone myself, which is needed for the various certification apps, I wanted to have the QR code for my "EU Digital COVID Certificate" [3] on my N900.
Of course, the easiest solution would be to just take a photo of the printed QR code and show that photo, but then there will be reflections and all kinds of geometric distortions in the QR code that were present when taking the photo.
So it would be nice to not show the photo of an analogue print of a digital code, but the actual digital QR code itself. Unfortunately I'm not aware of a way to get that directly, but it turns out, digitizing the photo can be done with tools available in Debian (or pretty much any Linux on any computer), even in Jessie:

1. Install the packages "zbar-tools"* and "qrencode":
2. Then scan the photo and create a new QR code from it:
The tricky part was the "head" comand in the middle, because zbarimg outputs an additional LF which would then be encoded by qrencode, altering and therefore invalidating the QR code.



[1] https://nmldqjct.preview.infomaniak....rfrKV/download
[2] http://qole.org/files/
[3] https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-...certificate_en

*) note: zbar-tools in Jessie depends on libmagickwand-6.q16-2. When trying to install that package in ED (armhf), for some reason dpkg-split went into an endless loop. I don't know what went wrong, but I was able to work around that by simply repackaging libmagickwand-6.q16-2 and installing the repackaged package:

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Big and laud applaudes!!!! And thanks for your ED contribution and work. Hopefully Leste will soon be working.