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Very likely. To get some personal take on this, I just created a cronscript to log my battery level every hour. Now it is just past 7 AM and the charge is 96%. (1.5h since I removed it from charger and left for work...)

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If you disable IPv6 using about:config then the browser becomes lightning fast :)

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Now a week has passed so I can proudly present my power statistics for the last 7 days :p

Here's the actual data I gathered: BatteryForAWeek.txt
and below a quick graph drawn from the data:
http://www.swagman.org/juice/BatteryForAWeek.png

Some thinks to note from the data:

• On weekdays I wake up about 05:45 AM when I unplug the charger and leave to work
• I generally sleep not nearly enough, as the device is only sitting in charger 4...6 hours per night
• On Friday morning 1) I went to work by bicycle, and had Rena (GPS tracker) active for about 2.5 hours, resulting a faster discharge
• On Saturday morning 2) I slept late so removed device from charger around 11 AM. I also went to bed around midnight which is shamefully early for me
• On Sunday morning 3) I also had navigation turned on for about an hour just after waking up
• Looks like I never really deep discharge the device, most days there's still 60%...70% charge left when I plug it in

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Deep discharge is not good for lithium batteries anyway ;)

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True.
But he is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar away from deep discharging.

And as we have all that electronic circuits/chips I would expect our batteries (even discharged to zero') are still far away from a physical deep discharge, same about full load expected to not be physical full load. But hey, these are consumer devices and we should buy new ones each year (so this assumption may be plain naive :)).

I, personally, still use my old behaviour of going down to zero and a full load from time to time (normally just load up to full each night). And I still use my first battery in my N900 (and all my other devices, with one exception: blown up batt of N95).

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Recently had this argument with a guy from carphone warehouse, according to him you should drain your battery fully each time. Worst things is, people actually listen.

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yeah... I bet he also mentioned "Memory Effect" :p:p:p

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Full discharge is necessary for batteries with memory effect, it's Nickel-Cadmium (Ni-Cd) and Nickel-Metal Hiydride (Ni-Mh) but not with Lithium-Ion (Li-Ion) ones. Full discharge is good for Li-Ion ones every 30 charges or more for recalibration. Li-Ion batteries suffer by use (support a limited amount of charges, but a charge of 30% counts as 0,3 charges, not as 1), heat (so slow charging and slow discharging is better) and full discharges (wich make a damage I don't know).

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If I remember, Li-Ion do well in the 20-80% charge range.

So charging via usb is better?

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Charging until 100% is less energy-efficient than charging until 80-90%, and generate more heat.

Since USB provides less power than charger, so it charges the mobile slower, yes.

Also, letting it connected after charging is a bad idea, bacause when reachs 100% it stop charging but most devices don't start to use current from the charger. They use the battery, so the device is continously discharging to 99%, charging to 100%, discharging to 99%... I am not sure what Jolla does.

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My Jolla's been playing up a little recently. Random reboots, sudden battery discharges, refusing to charge... most of the time it's absolutely fine, but when it decides it doesn't want to work, it's hella annoying.

Also, coming to the realisation that this will be the first smartphone I have that I won't be able to pass on to a family member. My LG E900 went to a brother, my Lumia 920 to my mother, Z10 to another brother, Lumia 1020 to OG brother - but I won't be able to pass on a Jolla. It's still 'not there', just too finicky for non-techies. They won't have the patience to work with it when it's in a strop, so I have no idea what I'll do with it when I need to switch to a dual-SIM in August.

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Another tip: if you want way more fluid and way better performance/integration of the Play Store, always install the latest Play Store APK (or install the latest APK every once in a while) :)

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I applied for another service request for my Jolla, I have had continuous problems with voice calls and I already sent it for service in January but nothing was done to the phone. I have now tried three different phones in the mean time and it is obvious where the problem lies. Has anyone else had dropped calls, disappearing voice and such?

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I've had phones in Elisa network from since it was Radiolinja (around 1996 or so) and any of my devices have not suffered any symptoms like that for the last 5 years or so, when the network coverage started to be sufficent. (before Jolla I had N9 and before that tens of symbian devices...)

To be truthful, last year I did have problems with voicecalls for a while, as I was forced to use the Sonera network for about half a year... but when I was able to switch back to Elisa again all my worries diappeared :)

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My device is really nearing it's end. The yellow blob on the screen is growing fast, it dies when reaching 100% on charger with the message "not enough current" and im not sure if my i2c-connections are working properly anymore. The last one is my fault, but still. just glad i bought mine secondly for cheaps.

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If this doesn't shout "warranty repair" all over, then nothing does :)

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Provided it is still under warranty.

Hmm. That sounds like apples vs. oranges. Miharin indicated quite clearly that (s)he has tried several phones and Jolla was the only one with the problem. Granted (s)he did not say (s)he tried them all on the same network but I understood that that was implied.

I have not had any problems of such kind myself but then I do not use my Jolla as a phone much.

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It's 2 years in Europe.

My Jolla has crackling noises in the earpiece since some days, I received it in December 2013, they have confirmed this will be repaired under warranty.

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That's what I keep reading in this forum. However Jolla Warranty Policy says one year.

As I have already mentioned somewhere in this forum (that I cannot find now), there are loopholes in the EU compulsory 2 years warranty requirement. Basically it boils down to who has a stronger will to fight and/or a better lawyer.

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Depends on which country you live in. In my country, the national law explicitly states that the warranty on electronic devices is at least 2 years. And yes, this is in Europe.

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i need to read up on this. dont really know about warranty claims when bought used.

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I'm afraid that in these cases you normally get no warranty. There are rare exceptions out there, and mostly because they don't bother checking whether you are the original owner.

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I have been told in another thread that you can tranfer your warranty. You need to contact Jolla and give them your IMEI.
Caveat: I have not tried it myself.

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Yes the EU law says something about how electronics should be 2 years warranty, but I don't know how to utilize this. Anyway, I didn't get any complaints, just a request to send my Jolla back to get looked at. It is 1,5 years old. I hope they replace it as I still want to keep using my Jolla but this year I have had to use other phones because of the continuous call issues. If they just return my phone again by saying "no issues were detected" then I'm unfortunately done with Jolla.

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>Jolla Warranty Policy says one year.

The Jolla Warranty is a separate beast from the compulsory EU 2 year guarantee , and cannot supersede it (except where it may offer additional cover not provided by the EU guarantee). Nor can it supersede local consumer law (except where it offers better terms) - and in the UK that means you have up to 6 years to return goods

> Basically it boils down to who has a stronger will to fight and/or a better lawyer

No, not really. And the article doesn't entirely suggest that. The issue in the UK is that there are certain conditions under which you can return goods or get a free repair, one of which is that after 6 months the burden is on the consumer to prove the goods were faulty (there's no such burden with the EU guarantee). As far as the screen problem is concerned this would not be an issue, as there is plenty of evidence (the large number of people with exactly the same issue) that the fault is with the cheap screen that Jolla used

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I filed a claim now, will report back.

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Web browser is horrible. I hate it. If I close the last tab and start fresh I have to close the browser multiple times to load a single page. After ~the fifth reopening of browser and trying to open some bookmark it finally works - and lands on jolla.com. Thanks!

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What? :) Maybe you want to explain your problem in a little bit more detail so that others can try to replicate? I have done what you say several times and never had an issue, perhaps it's related to the website(s) you're visiting?

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I have only one grievance with the browser, and that is the way it doed not open a new page when started by clicking an email link for example.

It is not nice that it overlays the last tab with new content...

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I've stopped using jollas stock browser because of minor unwanted innovation they did with how bookmarks/favourites is displayed in the app - a page full of star-icons with cut off labels, too cumbersome to use as it is now.

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1) As mentioned earlier somewhere on TMO - re-add the bookmarks and you will no longer have any star-icons, but either thumbnails, or screenshots.

2) You can edit the text however you like, so their labels don't have to be cut off.

PS: I'm one of those who really appreciated this innovation - browsing is much faster when no separate page is attached and both address and bookmarks are just one tap away.

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What I meant on my previous post about buggy Jolla web browser:

1. Start using web browser. Not a single tab open. Pressing any selected bookmark or typing to addressbar does nothing.
2. Try to open any of my bookmarks in new tab. Nothing.
3. Open new tab and type something, press enter. Nothing.
4. Close browser. Reopen. Repeating steps 1-3. Usually nothing.
5. Close browser again and repeating all steps at some random point browser I see stop loading page -symbol [x] visible and browser loads jolla.com.

Lesson: Do not ever close all tabs when using Jolla web bowser.

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Just tried for myself:

1. Works fine.
2. Works fine.
3. Works fine.
4. Repeated. Still works fine.
5. Yep, if I close all tabs (or open the browser with no tabs), it loads my homepage I set in Settings/Apps/Browser. If you did not set any homepage, then it is jolla.com by default.

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I agree that Jolla web browser needs some serious improvements. As mentioned here copy text functionality is missing and I would like to see an option to open a link in background tab.

I have to use Yandex browser(android) for serious browsing activity.

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This sounds like your device is in need of btrfs-balancing.

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I set the homepage in settings to nothing and it starts blank. Just as I wanted it.

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umm.. not sure if this is happening to anyone else..

but I only just noticed today that.. when listening to music, watching videos or playing games on my jolla with my earphones plugged in... it still plays from the phone speakers as well as my earphones..

I have no idea how long this has been happening for.. as you could imagine my earphones are in, and im only hearing the music frm that

I had only noticed it today when I arrived at work while playing a game on my jolla, put the phone down on my desk and took the headphones out and the game music was blaring out of my phone and everyone was just looking at me...
(this also makes sense why everyone was looking at me on the train..)

restarting didn't help.
im assuming this happened when I updated to the newest version

anyone know how to possibly fix this?

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holy sheet! that must've been awkward :eek:

[edit]just tripple checked on mine (in case my work colleagues are more forgiving), works as expected, wow, just wow

edit2: did you install any patches that play with audio (removing high noise alert or similar), does it happen the same with android app playing audio, does it happen with every headphones?

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Since the same thing once happened to me with N9, i allways double check before playing something :D still remember angry old women looking at me in the bus, while i was playing some stupid videos on youtube.. going to work and wearing a suit :D

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Yeah, I always double check too, since it started happening to me on an android phone a few years ago. Luckily the first time it happened I hadn't left the house when it was pointed out to me.

For this issue, it may be an issue with pulseaudio and there is a question with a successful answer on together:
https://together.jolla.com/question/...t=votes&page=1

I would expect it to be fixable by looking at the pa settings, but reinstalling may well be a simpler/quicker method. Whether it solves toki's issue, I don't know.