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xelo 2020-01-29 17:27
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Hi all,

did any of you play around with the "two stage" shutter button and the stock app "snapdragon"? I expected it to be somewhat haptic in order to discover the first stage "focusing" and then move on to the second stage "taking a picture". But somehow I can't distinguish between stage one and two, thus I'm taking pictures without focusing first. That's not a problem, but I wonder if all shutters are designed this way?

BR
xelo

Koiruus 2020-01-29 22:49
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xelo (Post 1564889)
did any of you play around with the "two stage" shutter button and the stock app "snapdragon"? I expected it to be somewhat haptic in order to discover the first stage "focusing" and then move on to the second stage "taking a picture". But somehow I can't distinguish between stage one and two, thus I'm taking pictures without focusing first. That's not a problem, but I wonder if all shutters are designed this way?
Doesn't sound familiar. I have been using the Snapdragon camera app quite a lot, and always with physical camera button. I can easily feel the difference between "focus" and "shutter". Of course the button feedback is nowhere near to a DSLR shutter button for example, but still performs quite good. I don't remember taking any photos accidentally without focusing it first. You should see the focusing ring on the screen to turn green when it has made the focusing successfully.

mirze 2020-01-30 11:40
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by netman (Post 1564693)
I finally got around finishing the review I had written :). http://matland.be/?p=things&s=pro1review
Well written! Thanks! Please update your report when you find something unexpected in this phone.

Koiruus 2020-01-30 15:11
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Something unexpected happened to me today. The Pro1 haddied in my pocket. It had at least 50% of battery remaining, and everything had performed normally before. But then I just found it powered off, and at first it looked like it won't wake up. I pressed power button several times, no response. Then I tried pressing vol up/down (don't remembr which one) and power button simultaneously. Then it finally woke up and gave me some "no command" text with android logo robot having it's stomach opened. It got stuck there, but by pressing only power button for 5s or so, it finally booted to OS. Now it works like charm again, no idea what that was.

xelo 2020-01-30 16:38
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koiruus (Post 1564892)
Doesn't sound familiar. (....) You should see the focusing ring on the screen to turn green when it has made the focusing successfully.
Thank you Koiruus. The focusing ring does not appear on my unit and neither my wife nor my coworkers can feel the difference. I think the button might be defective.

mosen 2020-01-30 18:48
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
To prevent misunderstanding, are you talking Android or Sailfish?

On Andriod the snapdragon camera app that starts up using the camera button is super buggy.
Even Steve Litchfield was fooled to think the Proš did not take a picture at all since there is no shutter sound and the saved pictures are not previewed.
On Android i used Open Camera which fixed those problems.
On Sailfish all is working great with the stock jolla app as well as with Adams Advanced Camera.

xelo 2020-01-30 19:50
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1564904)
To prevent misunderstanding, are you talking Android or Sailfish? (...) On Android i used Open Camera which fixed those problems.
On Sailfish all is working great with the stock jolla app as well as with Adams Advanced Camera.
Thank you for the question for clarification. I'm still using Android.

The shutter button does not seem to work with other camera applications, as it always opens snapdragon.

Thoke 2020-01-30 21:41
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
The latest news arrived in mail. There's a slightly longer delay before the production continues as the Chinese government extended the holidays as a response to the virus outbreak in Wuhan. Too bad I still haven't received my device, the large batch must have been only/mostly QWERTY versions of the phone...

mosen 2020-01-30 23:47
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
@xelo

I asked around on discord how to reliably test the 1st stage with clear result to rule out HW fault.
@Noir suggested to install Open Camera and

"open options and select that lock (screenshot attached),
autofocus is disabled then.
1st stage keypress is then perfectly useable to focus"

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...003857_1_1.png

Flynx 2020-01-31 00:09
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
ELI5 - explain like i'm 5 (years old)

I've been watching for over 10 years as people try to load various operating systems on different mobile devices. A common theme has become the table that lists which bits of the device are working, partially working, or not working.

I understand this is mostly because hardware components have closed-source drivers, right? Why is this such a large barrier? The lack of documentation on how to interface the binary blob? (assuming a similar kernel)

Shirabe 2020-01-31 07:09
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koiruus (Post 1564899)
Something unexpected happened to me today. The Pro1 haddied in my pocket. It had at least 50% of battery remaining, and everything had performed normally before. But then I just found it powered off, and at first it looked like it won't wake up. I pressed power button several times, no response. Then I tried pressing vol up/down (don't remembr which one) and power button simultaneously. Then it finally woke up and gave me some "no command" text with android logo robot having it's stomach opened. It got stuck there, but by pressing only power button for 5s or so, it finally booted to OS. Now it works like charm again, no idea what that was.
Sounds like you booted into recovery or something. I'm guessing it powered off randomly, and to boot it you need to hold the power button for some time which I'm also guessing you didn't do or didn't do long enough.

juiceme 2020-01-31 09:19
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flynx (Post 1564922)
ELI5 - explain like i'm 5 (years old)

I've been watching for over 10 years as people try to load various operating systems on different mobile devices. A common theme has become the table that lists which bits of the device are working, partially working, or not working.

I understand this is mostly because hardware components have closed-source drivers, right? Why is this such a large barrier? The lack of documentation on how to interface the binary blob? (assuming a similar kernel)
Yes, the largest (and really the only) problem is that there is no documentation available so people need to try to reverse-engineer the workings of the ABI which is really painful and slow.

This is something which I am always wondering; why so much obscurance since I'd imagine it is in the intrests of chip manufacturers to get as amy users as possible for their products. Opening up the specs and interfaces would increase chances for people to buy the gear, right?

AardDevil 2020-01-31 11:18
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thoke (Post 1564915)
[ ] I still haven't received my device, the large batch must have been only/mostly QWERTY versions of the phone...
FYI
Same over here : phone didn't make the Chinese new year cut. Ordered an QWERTY though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by xelo (Post 1564608)
Today I received my shipping confirmation. [ ]
For reference: I placed my order in July 19 [ ]
Placed order on August 8th.

taixzo 2020-01-31 16:25
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1564904)
On Sailfish all is working great with the stock jolla app as well as with Adams Advanced Camera.
When you say all is working great in Sailfish, are you including the half-press to focus? This does not seem to work on my Pro1 (worked fine in Android so I don't believe it's a hardware problem).

xelo 2020-01-31 17:06
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1564920)
@xelo

I asked around on discord how to reliably test the 1st stage with clear result to rule out HW fault.
@Noir suggested to install Open Camera and

"open options and select that lock (screenshot attached),
autofocus is disabled then.
1st stage keypress is then perfectly useable to focus"

(...)
Thank you for asking around. Open Camera is installed on my unit, and I locked the autofocus with the lock icon. When I press the shutter button gently nothings happens. If I long-press the button, the snapdragon app opens.

mosen 2020-02-01 00:40
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Sorry to read.
Thats a dilemma...
I imagine you are not eager to send it in for repair since it is still an otherwise working Proš.

Chen has guided at least two users of whom i know into fixing issues by themselves successfully.
The Maintenance Manual is available since those live community repairs.

You already have contacted F(x) support?

xelo 2020-02-01 08:31
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1564950)
(...)
I imagine you are not eager to send it in for repair since it is still an otherwise working Proš.(...)
If this is the only defect, most likely not. Unless FXtec asks for it. Maybe the want to bisect it to see whats the error.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1564950)
The Maintenance Manual is available since those live community repairs.

You already have contacted F(x) support?
I already contacted support (about this and other things) and, so far, it has always been a positive experience. Answers take some time, but the response is qualified and the team appreciates feedback.

The autofocus itself works when tipping the screen and the two stage button is not important for me. It's a nice feature I would miss.
Most important is e-mailing, second telephony.

I'd appreciate it, if one could remap the button to other camera apps, without installing keyremapping software first. Maybe that's possible but I didn't figure it out yet.

Thoke 2020-02-01 12:18
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xelo (Post 1564608)
Today I received my shipping confirmation. [ ]
For reference: I placed my order in July 19 [ ]
Quote:
Originally Posted by AardDevil (Post 1564930)
Placed order on August 8th.
June 13th. here....

AardDevil 2020-02-02 10:59
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
For all clarity, with
Quote:
Originally Posted by AardDevil (Post 1564930)
Placed order on August 8th.
I meant making the bank transfer.

Thoke 2020-02-02 17:37
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
@AardDevil, ah yes, didn't think of that, and I actually had an impression that I paid in June, but I checked my history and I paid August 6th. But anyways I'll refrain from making mopey posts from now on and just wait 'til I see the phone in my hands :o:D (PS: I'm feeling it cannot be that long anymore)

marmistrz 2020-02-02 22:39
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Further delays, now due to the coronavirus outbreak in China. From the official newsletter:
Quote:
I'm sure you are aware of the Coronavirus outbreak that is spreading through China at the moment, and if not here's a recent BBC news article which provides more information on the severity of the situation:

This will have a direct impact on our manufacturing and production capabilities, as the Chinese government has extended the Chinese New Year holidays until around the 9th February, and restricted public transport around the country as a precaution. This was officially announced by the Chinese Government on the 28th January. We are therefore unsure how soon, or if people will be able to return to work, as many factory staff will have travelled across the country to be with their friends and family for the New Year. This means that we cannot provide a guaranteed date to which the factory will be back up and running again.

I hope you can understand that this situation is completely out of our control, and until we receive further updates or clarity on the situation, we will have to delay our next batch of devices which were due to be shipped to customers the beginning of February.

Kabouik 2020-02-03 16:27
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
For those interested, here is an attempt to put together instructions for SFOS flashing/backup/restoration on the Proš, since they are otherwise lacking or spread across different forum posts.

olf 2020-02-03 20:56
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
And another detailed "initial bring-up" documentation for SailfishOS on the Proš.

acrux 2020-02-03 21:21
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by acrux (Post 1562928)
[Order #56XX] (February 28, 2019)
QWERTZ; EU
Paid: July 31th 2019.
No "stock assigned"
The Pro1 was delivered to me at January 29th. Too bad I had to leave to a business trip and had too little time to set up it yet.
So next week... No plan to run it with stock rom though but going to test with LineageOS and SailfishOS. Not sure in which order... :p

mosen 2020-02-03 22:00
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Then try LOS first.
If you "try" the SFOS port, there is no reason to look further ;)

taixzo 2020-02-04 15:13
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
I wish there was a way to boot multiple OS's, like MultiROM on the Nexus 5. SFOS is great, but I'd like to play around with stuff like Maemo Leste as well without having to reinstall everything.

xelo 2020-02-04 17:11
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Regarding the shutter-button topic: Today I received an answer from fxtec support. The two-stage button seems to be very subtle. Even in the fxtec team not everyone can feel the two stages. In addition: The focus feature cannot be used at the moment, and shall be implemented in a future software release.

Wasmachinemann-NL 2020-02-04 19:07
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Just for shits 'n giggles I tried the Pro1 in the shower with a AquaPac: it's borderline useless because it doesn't have a resistive touchscreen like my CF-19 or N900.

Kabouik 2020-02-04 19:39
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by taixzo (Post 1565055)
I wish there was a way to boot multiple OS's, like MultiROM on the Nexus 5. SFOS is great, but I'd like to play around with stuff like Maemo Leste as well without having to reinstall everything.
So far, no multiboot effort that I know of (but I hope we will have it someday too), but there is still some hope regarding effortless OS switching: nspawn/LXC/chroot within SFOS, and both Leste and PostmarketOS should boot from SD when/if there are any Proš builds one day.

Maemish 2020-02-04 20:27
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Using N900 in shower? I had never thought that possibility.

Wasmachinemann-NL 2020-02-04 22:01
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maemish (Post 1565071)
Using N900 in shower? I had never thought that possibility.
Aquapac + Media Player's Radio function means i'll never miss a episode of Boekestijn & De Wijk ever again while showering!

quailstorm 2020-02-04 22:12
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xelo (Post 1565060)
The focus feature cannot be used at the moment, and shall be implemented in a future software release.
In which software is it not implemented? The two stage button with focus and shoot works fine on my device. I use the preinstalled Snapdragon Camera.

Feeling the two stages is not quite obvious, that is true. It took me several tries to get used to it.

Koiruus 2020-02-05 13:41
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1565074)
Aquapac + Media Player's Radio function means i'll never miss a episode of Boekestijn & De Wijk ever again while showering!
I was never able to answer calls while using AquaPac on N900, because the screen stayed black. It wasn't optimal to take the device out from AquaPac with wet hands while kayaking on windy lake just to see who is calling... For me phones with capacitive screens have been much more usable with AquaPac (haven't tried with Pro1 yet).

peterleinchen 2020-02-05 13:44
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koiruus (Post 1565093)
I was never able to answer calls while using AquaPac on N900, because the screen stayed black. It wasn't optimal to take the device out from AquaPac with wet hands while kayaking on windy lake just to see who is calling... For me phones with capacitive screens have been much more usable with AquaPac (haven't tried with Pro1 yet).
I had no problems with that
Just make sure the side with display and proximity sensor face the transparent side? ;)

robthebold 2020-02-05 16:04
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1565067)
So far, no multiboot effort that I know of (but I hope we will have it someday too), but there is still some hope regarding effortless OS switching: nspawn/LXC/chroot within SFOS, and both Leste and PostmarketOS should boot from SD when/if there are any Proš builds one day.
I'd love to see that! I guess I've got plenty of time before I can order a Pro1 from stock. Just got to keep the Xperia grinding along a while longer.

Maemish 2020-02-05 16:57
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
I have touched a Jolla/SFOS phone only when they had just arrived the first time for sale. It was a bit buggy and sluggish and slow swiping which it had as a feature was annoying so I didn't buy and bought an iPhone.

xelo 2020-02-05 17:50
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by quailstorm (Post 1565076)
In which software is it not implemented? The two stage button with focus and shoot works fine on my device. I use the preinstalled Snapdragon Camera.

Feeling the two stages is not quite obvious, that is true. It took me several tries to get used to it.
The answer of fxtec did not specify an app. I reckon they meant "snapdragon" on android, but your experience tells otherwise.

n-mi 2020-02-12 11:21
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Just received this by mail...

Quote:
We have some news!

We have provisionally been informed that factory workers might be able to return to work early next week. Office staff in China are already back to work, however they are working from home due to the travel restrictions that are still in place across the country. Please bare in mind that individuals decision to start working is at their own discretion and so we are unsure how many people, if any will be back to work straight away. Depending on the factories numbers, we should be able to provide remaining customers with an expected shipping and delivery date in due course.

The following article demonstrates the extent to which the coronavirus outbreak continues to effect brands globally, with a huge number of China’s factories remaining closed this week: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51439400. We will be in touch with our factories leads on a daily basis to ensure that we are aware of any updates/progress made over the next week.

From the whole team here at F(x)tec we would like to thank you again for your patience and continued support at this uncertain period of time. We will keep you updated should we receive any more information.

If you have any questions about the matter, please get in touch with info@fxtec.com

Sincerely,

Adrian and Chen
Founders, F(x)tec

xelo 2020-02-18 16:58
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Regarding the "shutter button Issue": After a factory reset, the two stage button works on my phone, and focusing works now.

xman 2020-02-18 20:36
Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xelo (Post 1565455)
Regarding the "shutter button Issue": After a factory reset, the two stage button works on my phone, and focusing works now.
Is this for android or sailfish?

Unfortunately we need to be specific since android related info has been mixed into this thread.

Thanks

x


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