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robthebold 2016-01-02 20:25
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
The surprise will be a T-Shirt, yes, but it will read "My money went to the Jolla Tablet Campaign and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt."

Dave999 2016-01-02 20:41
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
They are figuring out stuff. I don't think they know what they are going to give us :D

pichlo 2016-01-02 20:43
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1493324)
«We might even have some positive surprises in stock for you. But more on that will follow, feel free to speculate!»
Lol, what? In other words "We screw you, but you'll get free candy. Wanna talk about it?"
Yup. That sentence alone is clear evidence that they consider this nothing more than a funny game. If even after this anyone takes them seriously then I feel sorry for him/her but hey, he/she gets what he/she deserves.

Feathers McGraw 2016-01-02 20:54
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Does anyone know how many tablet backers were from the US? There's no doubt that there's a lot of free software talent in the US that is completely untapped by Jolla at the moment because you can't really use the jPhone over there.

I know Americans from other forums who would have ordered a jPhone but didn't because of that, and they jumped on the tablet. I doubt those people want a crappy Intex phone either, so how are Jolla going to get them developing?

Jolla needs all the developers they can get right now.

switch-hitter 2016-01-02 21:04
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote from Jolla's blog:
Quote:
We don’t have all pieces of the puzzle figured out just yet
..//..
However, you can be sure you will not end up empty handed. We might even have some positive surprises in stock for you. But more on that will follow, feel free to speculate!
If the surprise was the 'brain' of a PuzzlePhone running Sailfish and you had to buy the rest would you be happy with it?

peterleinchen 2016-01-02 21:06
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1493352)
Yup. That sentence alone is clear evidence that they consider this nothing more than a funny game. If even after this anyone takes them seriously then I feel sorry for him/her but hey, he/she gets what he/she deserves.
BUT: as it looks like, he/she will not get what he/she deserves :(

MisterMaster 2016-01-02 21:08
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1493356)
Quote from Jolla's blog:
If the surprise was the 'brain' of a PuzzlePhone running Sailfish and you had to buy the rest would you be happy with it?
Well that is a one possibility but you would have to wait it 9 months(and who knows there can be delays).

tommo 2016-01-02 21:10
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Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1493352)
Yup. That sentence alone is clear evidence that they consider this nothing more than a funny game. If even after this anyone takes them seriously then I feel sorry for him/her but hey, he/she gets what he/she deserves.
This made me think they were having a little laugh at us

Dave999 2016-01-02 21:10
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw (Post 1493354)
Does anyone know how many tablet backers were from the US? There's no doubt that there's a lot of free software talent in the US that is completely untapped by Jolla at the moment because you can't really use the jPhone over there.

I know Americans from other forums who would have ordered a jPhone but didn't because of that, and they jumped on the tablet. I doubt those people want a crappy Intex phone either, so how are Jolla going to get them developing?

Jolla needs all the developers they can get right now.
By start ship the tablet and stop screwing its supporters(devs) is a pretty good start. Yeah, let's start with the basics.

pichlo 2016-01-02 21:35
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1493357)
BUT: as it looks like, he/she will not get what he/she deserves :(
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

peterleinchen 2016-01-02 21:42
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1493365)
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Luckily we are still at first part ... ;)

mosen 2016-01-02 21:43
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Now i got it!
German Home Secretary de Maiziere had a lesson in politics at Jolla!

http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/3629193.jpg

Dave999 2016-01-02 22:50
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Germans can bail out Jolla.

mosen 2016-01-02 23:05
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1493371)
Germans can bail out Jolla.
I second that. Only it is to late now...
Instead of Marc as a rockstar, Jolla would have needed some silent EU Lobbyist to save that 100m€ in subventions to build an OS clinging with EU privacy standards within 10 years.

I am fully aware that the Desktop i use (KDE) made huge progress from EU money they got in 2007.

As much as i am against centralization. That woud have been a good cause.

minimos 2016-01-02 23:24
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by robthebold (Post 1493349)
The surprise will be a T-Shirt, yes, but it will read "My money went to the Jolla Tablet Campaign and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt."
If they make it like "My money went into a IGG campaign and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" it can be worn in many more occasions. :D

prometheus 2016-01-03 00:03
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1493361)
By start ship the tablet and stop screwing its supporters(devs) is a pretty good start. Yeah, let's start with the basics.
Dave999 Not all of us want to have anything with Jolla anymore. Lot of us want money to be returned. We had enough, and just want to move on...

gerbick 2016-01-03 00:11
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by prometheus (Post 1493377)
Dave999 Not all of us want to have anything with Jolla anymore. Lot of us want money to be returned. We had enough, and just want to move on...
Those that still support Jolla want either to switch their backing to a donation or still want the tablet. The rest, either want their money back or want to spread as much vitriol as possible and/or move on, if not all three.

pichlo 2016-01-03 00:28
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peterleinchen (Post 1493366)
Luckily we are still at first part ... ;)
Sure. That's why I said IF anyone takes them seriously AFTER this.

szopin 2016-01-03 02:10
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1493378)
Those that still support Jolla want either to switch their backing to a donation or still want the tablet. The rest, either want their money back or want to spread as much vitriol as possible and/or move on, if not all three.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o85xI...LR4I/giphy.gif

szopin 2016-01-03 02:12
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1493367)
Now i got it!
German Home Secretary de Maiziere had a lesson in politics at Jolla!

http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/3629193.jpg
Quote:
Sweden Democrat Party politician Michael Hess of Karlskrona was sentenced today (May 8, 2014) to a fine for hate speech after having connected the religion of Islam with rape.

According to the judgment, the statement is not part of a “factual and authoritative discussion” and it thus it does not matter whether or not the statement is true.
http://chersonandmolschky.com/2014/0...-speech-islam/
Sweden introduces border checks as refugee crisis grows
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-border-checks
Whether it is true or not

endsormeans 2016-01-03 02:18
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
https://i.imgflip.com/wqnq9.jpg

prometheus 2016-01-03 04:56
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1493378)
Those that still support Jolla want either to switch their backing to a donation or still want the tablet. The rest, either want their money back or want to spread as much vitriol as possible and/or move on, if not all three.
So when you post something wonderful regarding Jolla is totally normal and OK, but when you said that you want money back and trow crap on them, then this is outrageous? Sounds to me that
some Jolla followers have issue with handling a critics... For me it is perfectly clear. No one would say a single bad word of Jolla if they were correct, so for me the only one who is to blame is Jolla itself.

szopin 2016-01-03 05:07
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by prometheus (Post 1493392)
So when you post something wonderful regarding Jolla is totally normal and OK, but when you said that you want money back and trow crap on them, then this is outrageous? Sounds to me that
some Jolla followers have issue with handling a critics... For me it is perfectly clear. No one would say a single bad word of Jolla if they were correct, so for me the only one who is to blame is Jolla itself.
So when you keep regurgitating the same **** over and over is totally normal and OK but when you return to your normal modus operandi your money, your crap blah blah it's outrageous. Sounds to me some pseudo greek followers started crapping their pants. Blame yourself for supporting indiegogo rather than buying a product, go make us and yourself a favour and buy yorrself a finishewd product where you can throw same tantrum and maybe, just maybe someone will back you up except dave. Apple will love your criticisms and will throw 5 geniuses at you whenever you start throwing one, this is your company dude, go away

gerbick 2016-01-03 05:11
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by prometheus (Post 1493392)
So when you post something wonderful regarding Jolla is totally normal and OK, but when you said that you want money back and trow crap on them, then this is outrageous?
Nope. I didn't insinuate any of that. Next time you want to make an assumption, ask instead. It'll speak leagues of your ability to have a rational conversation. I'm currently not sold it is a possible outcome with you involved. Care to prove me wrong?

Now, down to business. I'll state it once. I want this vague ******** communication gone and replaced with actual facts, dates and deliverables. My faith is not to be taken lightly - nor is my money wherever I decide to invest it. Crowdsourcing is indeed a gamble and this campaign is the first to not deliver that I've backed. I'll exercise even more caution in the future.

Say whatever you feel, I truly don't give two ****s what you say, think or feel. I have my own feelings about it all. But in the end, being continually angry doesn't resolve anything. Just makes your words less likely to be taken as you mean them and reduced to mere angst and rage induced drivel.

You'll have no more audience in me. Rage on. I'm sure it's probably therapeutic. Me? I just want this to end in a positive light. And losing hope that it will daily.

I cannot be more simple in how I state this and trust me when I state that I've picked and chose each word carefully.

Dave999 2016-01-03 08:41
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
I think its best IF we sack this thread get some more Apple stuff while we are waiting for the Intex Aqua fish sail tablet to be shipped to us Q3 2016.

Correct me if I'm wrong but It's obvious you guys can't handle the pressure... :D

I think its time for a poll

How would you like your jolla money to go out?
1. Full Refund
2. Tablet
3. Replacment device
4. Change to donation
5. Other

pichlo 2016-01-03 09:08
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
I made some apple stuff a few days ago. It's almost finished.

Dave999 2016-01-03 09:11
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1493404)
I made some apple stuff a few days ago. It's almost finished.
That is the spirit! It's the best. Apple always deliver good stuff.

nieldk 2016-01-03 09:16
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Oh my

Next question

Did the Americans REALLY land a man on the moon

Dave999 2016-01-03 09:19
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1493406)
Oh my

Next question

Did the Americans REALLY land a man on the moon
Yes, but they landed on the wrong moon.

nieldk 2016-01-03 09:23
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1493407)
Yes, but they landed on the wrong moon.
"The Moon, which has no atmosphere and no magnetic field, is basically a freak of nature"

billranton 2016-01-03 09:24
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1493407)
Yes, but they landed on the wrong moon.
That was no moon.

Dave999 2016-01-03 09:42
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1493409)
That was no moon.
how do you explain this then?

http://i0.wp.com/www.moonipulations....-Wallpaper.jpg

vistaus 2016-01-03 10:26
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Is there any way I can get my money back from Jolla for the tablet? It's not that I don't want to support Jolla anymore, but I don't really have a need for a tablet currently (which I did have when I backed the funding) and I need the money for more important things right now :(

pichlo 2016-01-03 10:40
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Dave, that's no moon.

JulmaHerra 2016-01-03 11:29
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1493324)
«We might even have some positive surprises in stock for you. But more on that will follow, feel free to speculate!»
Lol, what? In other words "We screw you, but you'll get free candy. Wanna talk about it?"

Btw, I wonder would it be surprise like with special edition Jolla Phone for first wave, that became special TOH, that was just special colour and ringtone, which was sold at shop after all :) Or would be this surprise like promised opensourcing few years back?
I think if they fail on their promises so much, they need to do more than a "surprise" and moreover asking for people to be positive and speculate. :)
Obviously none of those mean much to those who contributed. Open sourcing won't bring any device to anyone. Jolla Phone manufacturing has already ceased, so it's unlikely there is going to be "special edition" based on that HW. More likely it has something to do with the coming Intex phone and maybe some "special edition" of that device. Other possibility is some other manufacturer creating another kind of device. However, I doubt it as it has been quiet on that front, if that manufacturer doesn't want to do it "the Apple way" and have devices ready to ship on announcement. Positive side is that the story continues, at least some time, but I don't personally believe there is going to be another Jolla branded device manufactured by Jolla Ltd.

att 2016-01-03 12:14
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JulmaHerra (Post 1493419)
but I don't personally believe there is going to be another Jolla branded device manufactured by Jolla Ltd.
Yes, I think this was said quite clearly between the lines by Antti Saarnio when he told Jolla is back in business. Jolla's investors are interested in Sailfish OS and not on the device business side.

rcolistete 2016-01-03 12:30
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Jolla to crowdfunding backers: Not everyone will get a tablet - January 2nd 2016

pichlo 2016-01-03 12:36
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
JulmaHerra, please read for comprehension, keeping in mind that ZogG is not as fluent in English as you are. I think what he is getting at is the Jolla's proven track record of "special" offers "just for you" that turned out to be a cursed gift: the "special" First One preorder where the First Ones ended up worse off when they still had not received their phones while random strangers could already buy theirs in a shop... or the "special, just for you" discount coupons from just over a year ago with the net effect that the price was dropped for everybody immediately after some naive fools (including yours truly) used their coupons...

Some people may have a short or selective memory but for the rest of us, expecting that the Tabletgate "special surprise" is going to be in a similar vein is the most natural thing to do.

ZogG 2016-01-03 12:39
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JulmaHerra (Post 1493419)
Obviously none of those mean much to those who contributed. Open sourcing won't bring any device to anyone. Jolla Phone manufacturing has already ceased, so it's unlikely there is going to be "special edition" based on that HW. More likely it has something to do with the coming Intex phone and maybe some "special edition" of that device. Other possibility is some other manufacturer creating another kind of device. However, I doubt it as it has been quiet on that front, if that manufacturer doesn't want to do it "the Apple way" and have devices ready to ship on announcement. Positive side is that the story continues, at least some time, but I don't personally believe there is going to be another Jolla branded device manufactured by Jolla Ltd.
My reference was that they already promised special Jolla edition for first backers of the phone few years back and it ended up having special ringtone and nothing more. I'm pretty sure they have nothing to offer, so they just use "soon", "speculate" and "something" like always :)

ZogG 2016-01-03 12:41
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1493431)
JulmaHerra, please read for comprehension, keeping in mind that ZogG is not as fluent in English as you are. I think what he is getting at is the Jolla's proven track record of "special" offers "just for you" that turned out to be a cursed gift: the "special" First One preorder where the First Ones ended up worse off when they still had not received their phones while random strangers could already buy theirs in a shop... or the "special, just for you" discount coupons from just over a year ago with the net effect that the price was dropped for everybody immediately after some naive fools (including yours truly) used their coupons...

Some people may have a short or selective memory but for the rest of us, expecting that the Tabletgate "special surprise" is going to be in a similar vein is the most natural thing to do.
i meant special Jolla phone as they promised special edition for first backers and they they said it would be special TOH whcih ended up being special colour and ringtone. After few months TOH with this "special" colour was sold at their shops.
It's always for gave as much promises, get as much money for them :)


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