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peter@instinctiv.com 2010-12-06 19:19
Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 890849)
Symbian as a big market and carrier billing for Ovi in 150 countries with 3.5 million downloads a day from Ovi store. half a million per a day downloads increase in one month since S^3 launched, i think you've been reading too much US Media. Symbian is still BIG in Europe.
Developers are saying what your saying but about Android store so they go Ad funded route there.
We work closely with the companies we develop for and get as much information as we can directly from the source. Nokia has been very forthcoming with us about their stats. When evaluating a platform, the question for us is where the users are and what their purchasing behavior is like. We cross-reference that with our own data about our own users. Some of our other apps have launched in over 130 countries so we know where can charge people successfully.

shazosbourne 2010-12-06 19:25
Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Nokia just made God kill a kitten.

dtergens 2010-12-06 19:47
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'cause you have friends
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no reason to be ashamed
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we're proud of who you are
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you know it's never been easy
don't give up
'cause I believe there's the a place
there's a place where we belong...

attila77 2010-12-06 21:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 890834)
QT works well for a lot of apps but there are certain classes of apps where QT doesn't really lighten the load all that much. Especially with any custom UI, there are a lot of little platform-specific quirks, which is a problem we're very familiar with. On the back-end, things like realtime processing (necessary for filling the audio buffer) or working with the filesystem are fundamentally not helped by QT.

We're definitely not pulling the app altogether. When MeeGo is ready we'd like to be a part of that. In the mean time, we'll also be launching on Android, Mac, Windows and Linux all in the immediate future.
I not sure I follow the story, there must be some miscommunication going on here. Unless the question is about using a GTK+ specific-solution for commercial purposes, or requiring something from Extras, everything you do on Maemo is very much applicable on Nokia's next MeeGo devices.

PS. Note - abstracting filesystem access/operations is within Qt's scope (see QFile, QIODevice, etc)

peter@instinctiv.com 2010-12-06 22:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 890981)
I not sure I follow the story, there must be some miscommunication going on here. Unless the question is about using a GTK+ specific-solution for commercial purposes, or requiring something from Extras, everything you do on Maemo is very much applicable on Nokia's next MeeGo devices.

PS. Note - abstracting filesystem access/operations is within Qt's scope (see QFile, QIODevice, etc)
The bottom line is simple: Maemo has essentially been EOL'd and MeeGo isn't shipping yet. When it does ship, we expect our existing Maemo code to recompile with very few (if any) changes. Until it does, there's no real market for us.

PS: We're very familiar with QT -- and QT does a great job of insulating us from platform specific issues. But there are certain performance sensitive operations which need to be handled in a native fashion on a per-platform basis -- it's not so much a limitation of QT as it is a reality imposed by platform differences.

planetf1 2010-12-06 22:11
Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 890743)
Last week we spoke with Nokia. We were actively discouraged from developing for Maemo any further.
Shouldn't Nokia instead by guiding you through a transition - for example in terms of doing as much as possible that can work across Symbian/maemo/meego - for example in the Qt APIs so that the actual platform becomes less of an issue

I worry Nokia's going to loose some of the maemo community the way they're going, especially with the growth of android.

Speaking as a user (developer on other systems but not mobile)

peter@instinctiv.com 2010-12-06 22:29
Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by planetf1 (Post 891008)
Shouldn't Nokia instead by guiding you through a transition - for example in terms of doing as much as possible that can work across Symbian/maemo/meego - for example in the Qt APIs so that the actual platform becomes less of an issue

I worry Nokia's going to loose some of the maemo community the way they're going, especially with the growth of android.

Speaking as a user (developer on other systems but not mobile)
As MeeGo evolves we'll continue to keep a close eye on it. However, unless there's a good reason to do otherwise, we'll probably wait and see what kind of distribution it gets before committing development resources to MeeGo.

clovis86 2010-12-06 23:11
Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 891017)
As MeeGo evolves we'll continue to keep a close eye on it. However, unless there's a good reason to do otherwise, we'll probably wait and see what kind of distribution it gets before committing development resources to MeeGo.
ok so this look more like a "wait and see" status more than a goodbye :D

attila77 2010-12-06 23:19
Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by planetf1 (Post 891008)
Shouldn't Nokia instead by guiding you through a transition - for example in terms of doing as much as possible that can work across Symbian/maemo/meego - for example in the Qt APIs so that the actual platform becomes less of an issue
The Nokia message is still that Qt and Qt Quick are the transitional technologies from Maemo onto MeeGo. As I understand it, that is not the issue here - but rather the (monetization-wise) small userbase which is unlikely to get much bigger until the release of MeeGo devices.

vir3us 2010-12-06 23:21
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Maemo is fine for me, who needs meego anyway? really....


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