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Uhm... not sure whether aliendalvik will be allowed to access this stuff though, that somebody else will have to try. I try to stay away from android.

Waiting for Jolla 2? Uhm... may be a bit of a wait as nothing has been announced at all.

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Hey @ all,

(sorry, if it's the wrong place for such a question, could the mods please put it in the right thread?)

Got a really BIG problem, after updating tor (by NielDK), and downloading Tor settings applet (by coderus) from Openrepos.

After updating tor, and loading Tor settings applet, i activate the dot in the first row in settings applet (can't remember exact name right now), and then started tor once by clicking on the onion symbol, and tried do deactivate it after a few hours later, also by clicking the symbol.
Now after deactivating it, my jolla won't restart correctly. I have a permanent black screen, without anything left there. The only things i can see is the volumeslider, and the locksymbol when swiping down to lock the screen.
Also the power key is still working, but it seems, that nothing else is working, cause after shuting down the phone via power key, and turning it on again, it isn't either asking for my PIN code.

Please, if anybody can help me, let me know, it would be great...

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I hope you have enabled developer mode.
If so, can you still ssh to the device either via USB or WLAN conection?

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Yes, the developer mode is enabled.
Unfortunately, i never used the SSH/FTP connection via USB or WLAN, so even if i try it now, i'm missing the WLAN/USB IP adress, right? (That are those moments, one realising it would've been better using it before. :o)

But when connected to my laptop via USB, i'm stil able to choose in the Jolla display, what connection i do prefer, Charge, Sync, or Dev. Mode.
Could this be useful?

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The USB mode should be 192.168.2.15 (unless you changed it) and the Wlan mode should be look-up-able via your router (if you have access to it).

Select "Dev" in the connection types.

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YEAH, great. It works, thanks for that.
The USB IP adress, seems to work, so i'm now logged in, in Terminal as nemo, and also as root, if neccessary...

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I'm not going to be the best person to help here, especially as I've no idea what tor does to the system, but you could check the systemd services are running (I *think* they're listed in /usr/lib/systemd/usr - though not all of those will need to be running). Eg:

EDIT: I wuold suggest using pkcon to uninstall tor and reinstall anything it may have affected, but as I say, I don't know what it does to the system, so you may be best to see if someone more knowledgeable comes along (and/or look at the contents of the tor rpm).

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skanky, thank you so far, for your help and disponibility.

I'm also not sure if this depends only on tor, but i thought so, as it was the last function i'm using before this happens.

I found out, that there are still a few other functions that were working. i.E:

- after starting the phone, the "call flasher enabled" popup is still shown.

- (and born from an simple idea, cause i have tor saved as shortcut, on f5)

ToHKbd seems also still to work, keyboard is recognized py phone when attached, and background lights turns on. It's possible to use the shortcut commands, and they were also shown by popups in the display, but nothing gets started, the display remains black. Also re/enabling tor via f5, doesn't seem to work.

Also using shortcuts commands, CTRL + ALT + DEL, and CTRL + ALT+ Backspace, for rebooting phone and restart lipstick, seems to work. The remorse popups were shown, and the phone seems to reboot/restart lipstick.

...i'm more than confused, with this behavior. :confused:

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Try running systemctl and systemctl --user and seeing if there are any failures. I have one sd card mount failure under system and one service failure under --user. I'm going to raise a TJC question about mine - though I see no behavioural issues from the failures.

Also, do you have mcetool installed? If so, you could check the settings via that.

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In fact, there really are failures.
under systemctl:
- mount-sd@mmcblk1.service --- loaded failed failed --- Handle sdcard

under systemctl --usr:
- as-daemon-accounts-check.service --- loaded failed failed --- check for EAS accounts
- harbour-pyletoh.service --- loaded failed failed --- harbour-pyletoh service

Mcetool is not installed, if i remember correctly.

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The first two are the same as mine, the other one I don't have - I assume it's for a TOH?

You can install mcetool using pkcon. IIRC the package is called "mcetools".

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At the moment, the rest of the family (using Android devices on latest-ish version) are relying on my Jolla alarm in the morning, as they can't get theirs to work consistently, whilst not being woken up in the middle of the night by spurious notifications. Seems they get the alarm and the risk of the 2am beep, or no 2am beep, but no alarm. I'm sure it's possible, but it seems it's not a trivial set-up, and at least one has given up.

It pretty much guarantees that I'll not go back to Android, as long as the current notifications/sound fubar exists. Not that it was llikely anyway, as I'd rather go to a feature phone than back to Android.

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Maybe they should consider going back to basics.

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No need. I have a Jolla. :D

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In Lollipop (5.0) Settings -> Sound & Notifications -> Interruptions -> Downtime.

You can set days of the week and time that switches in and out of silent mode. Alarms are high priority interruptions so still sound. From what I gather not all manufacturers have added that feature though - it's there on my Sonys.

Before Lollipop I was using an app called 'Silent Sleep' which did the same thing. https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...om.silentsleep

On my Jolla I was using an app as well though I can't remember what that was called now. Not 'Situations' which never really worked for me.

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Yeah, we tried that, thanks. I forget which it was that happened. Either the alarm didn't work or there was noise in the night - it might have been that the phone vibrated, not sure. One of the alarms is a 3rd party app as it was wanted for gradual wakening. The other thing is the downtime is fuid so we don't want to programme it in, just toggle it on the fly - that may be possible, I don't know but it didn't seem obvious.

New one in Android with Situations and similar apps. Apparently they can't disable (or enable, I forget which) wifi automatically due to a change in lollipop? My wife was looking for a way to mimic my Situations behavior in my Jolla that turns wifi/phone network on an off based on whether I'm at home. I use to do that with Tasker when I used Android, but it seems the full behaviour is no longer possible? I don't know I'm not interested enough to look into it but she says that's the case now (can go one way, but not the other).

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For some reason android notifications(more specifically WA) stopped working after I rebooted the phone couple times to change battery. Tried enabling & disabling the 'start on bootup' setting, but no :(. Any ideas? Running Björnträsket.

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Jolla can drop, Jolla can bend.. in most but extreme cases the display survives based on shock absorption and elasticity of the frame components.

But after all that bending and dumping, especially the metal frame built out cast aluminum, a material not exactly known for its elasticity, can end up deformed permanently.

And that means the frame will be transferring tensions on the other part.

Luckily the Jolla is easy to disassemble to take out the frame.

And it better be because 2 years pass quick and once the warranty period is over without a successor in sight, it will be the mad max years of self repair and keep running with looted spare parts for those that don't want to send their phones to Finland for every dent and scratch.

Here is a picture of the bent frame: you can imagine my phone did not look like twisted that.
After "accident happens" the flexible materials would have wanted to return to their original shape.

However the aluminum frame was deformed and trying to counteract that return to straight and sexy industrial design.

You can carefully bend the frame back as if it was the frame of your sunglasses you've been sitting on.
Don't overdo it because you may break it easily and than your only chance will be Jolla Care.

Once you are happy again with the straight , sexy line of this masterpiece of industrial design you may reassemble the frame.

In the picture, the orange "the First One in Poppy Red" contains the frame, just repaired. The white one on top is still not repaired probably passing a lot of tension to the display.

Note that before reassembly I do put a few small strips of "duct tape" inside the top of the aluminum frame to serve as shock absorber.

Be careful not to cover the hole for the microphone though.

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Not sure where else to ask this...

Can you suggest a very simple, folder (as opposed to tracker/media database/MP3 tag/whatever) based music player? Something that does not care about tags, media art and all that cr&p. Something I can navigate to a folder and say, "play this". Something like Symfonie, for example.

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I guess TJC would be the place if it's wanted on existing player... it could be done on original media player as additional way of sorting music (wasn't in open sourced too?). Similar approach is used on Parrot MKi 9100 streaming hands free system.

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@pichlo,

I use andless (android app from f-droid). does it just fine..

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I would like even not having a tracker, and for photos/videos just when you go to a folder, thumbs not already done are generated and saved for next time.

For music I would like to have folder loading (including recursive loading), current playlist management (adding and removing songs or folders), stop when disconnecting headphones, and continue when reconnecting them, autoplay when opening app in the song and time where it was when you last closed it. personally I don't care about saving/loading playlists, tracking or even tags and media art. Having it could be great, while I can manage my music by folders.

I am not rich but I would donate something for that features. If they are implemented in the original media player, it would be fantabulous!

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Filetug. It's a file browser with embeds players. When you start a music with it, when it will be finished, the player will read the next one in the folder.

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Excellent, thank you! Exactly what I wanted. Goodbye, default media player! ;)

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I see that when Filetug plays the last song of a folder it begin again with the first of that folder.

Not enought for me. Maybe I will look for an Android player...

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I agree it is undesirable but less so than spoiling my Jolla by letting Android touch it.

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+1 for admirable attitude

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Just created my first ”question” on tjc
https://together.jolla.com/question/...mail-accounts/

And when I used password as search criterion I got swindles !

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random but.. I don't know what I did to my jolla, but the app drawer was able to rotate landscape

I thought it was a new feature that I just never realised was there..

but then after opening an app.. and went back to the app drawer.. its locked to portrait again...

wonder how I got it to go landscape. was excited for a second lol

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Something triggered a glitch in lipstick, probably :D
The functionality is there of course, just not enabled. That's why it is so easy to patch in.

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AFAIK, if the app is in landscape mode, app drawer will also be in landscape by design. Some elements of UI rotate but not all, it should be easily patchable but I do hope that Jolla will make the UI rotate by default. Since Symbian there has not been a mobile OS to do that...

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This! If you open the app drawer from a landscape app, it will be in landscape.
There is a free rotate patch that allows landscape orientation in any screen, including home. Then the app drawer will also open in landscape.

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Are there any softwares to define which applications will start up automatically after (re)boot ?

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Don't know about GUI file or if there's a dbus method, but you could look at systemd unit files for one way.

The Arch wiki has a resonable overview (and some refs at the bottom) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd

Though I don't know how much SFOS changes any of this stuff from the standard installs (I don't *think* it's much, but I've not played with it much, or recently).

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Well, I'm in Switzerland and brought my Jolla phone with me. Bought a Swiss com pay as you go sim card. Initially it was not working until I realized you have to dial 00 first for the call to be made. Often I found that listed numbers don't explicitly show the 00 and sometimes people replace the 00 with + but I don't see how to do that with the Jolla phone keypad. (Maybe this is just a symbolic representation of 00?). So is it possible to set up or modify the phone app so you don't need the 00

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tap '*' twice, there is '+' underneath as a hint

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Ah cool. Thanks. But if I tap twice to get the + I might as well tap the 0 twice... Guess the + is better aesthetically. Oh, well it is not really that important... Having used the Note Edge for awhile I have to admit it takes a little time to get used to getting around the Jolla phone. Some of the UI is really nice. I like it that you can tap the screen and four icons appear (for me phone, messages, internet and camera). Also the little gmail notification appears. I like that too. But if I just decide to pull up the app tray the little gmail notification temporarily appears and then disappears. Seems a little weird as pulling up app tray shouldn't trigger that. Maybe something wrong with my phone?

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Not really sure what to reply, as long as my memory serves + was either double tap * or 0 (or hold either one of them until it turns to +), since phone keypads use * and # as default extra symbols and you are right that functionally 00 == +. Not much to add to that, rest is silica discussion, where everyone has their own preferences and can fix the UI once and for all until another person disagrees and has better vision for it, patches seem the way to go, everyone can submit their own, maybe propose a patch contest on tjc? Openrepos have dl statistics, so prop your UI argument with the fact thousands have downloaded your patch, so it is obviously right? (worked for toggles in event view in a way)

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Regarding the +, it is called the international dialing prefix. Different countries use different prefixes. In most of Europe, the prefix is 00, followed by the country code, followed by the number (which, depending on the country, may have an area code). For example, the UK country code is 44 and the area code of Oxford is 1865, so calling a number in Oxford from Switzerland would be 00 44 1865 123456.

To simplify international dialing, GSM networks use + to stand for the international dialing code wherever you are. If you are in Europe, + stands for 00. In the US, it stands for 011 and in Australia, for 0011 (the Aussies do not like calling abroad, do they? ;)). It makes sense to store numbers in your phone book with + for the prefix because it will always work correctly when roaming, without having to worry what the local prefix is.

How to get the + depends on the phone. Some phones use a long press on * or #, others a double press. You are right that a double press on one key versus a double press on another key makes little difference but it starts making a difference when you move to a country with a different prefix.