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JulmaHerra 2016-01-03 12:46
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1493432)
My reference was that they already promised special Jolla edition for first backers of the phone few years back and it ended up having special ringtone and nothing more. I'm pretty sure they have nothing to offer, so they just use "soon", "speculate" and "something" like always :)
They did have "early access" to updates too for some time... :)

But true. Being "the first one" didn't have much more than fancy ringtone and a T-shirt. That's the reason I have doubts about "special editions" altogether in this case, but more like discount plus some Lastu accessory. Maybe with "we are sorry" engraved to them? :)

mosen 2016-01-03 12:52
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1493432)
I'm pretty sure they have nothing to offer
As much as your posts resonate with me in the last days, here we disagree.
Jolla will not be able to give any kind of specials that need pre invested money, right. Abreviate from that and you know what we will not get.
But they still have some value to offer in discount on possible future devices and possibly free access to payed services they might come up with.

Yeah, thats about what i come up with...
Anyone got more constructive speculation?

szopin 2016-01-03 13:13
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1493436)
As much as your posts resonate with me in the last days, here we disagree.
Jolla will not be able to give any kind of specials that need pre invested money, right. Abreviate from that and you know what we will not get.
But they still have some value to offer in discount on possible future devices and possibly free access to payed services they might come up with.

Yeah, thats about what i come up with...
Anyone got more constructive speculation?
jWatch - pure speculation
btw, welcome back 'told you so' Zogg, so, jolla still in business, gonna apologize/rewrite your doomsaying? jk, happy new year

mosen 2016-01-03 13:17
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1493440)
jWatch
HaHa, they could fork Asteroid OS to have a start :p

szopin 2016-01-03 13:23
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1493441)
HaHa, they could fork Asteroid OS to have a start :p
They at least acknowledge their heritage:
Quote:
It shares a lot of technological and philosophical choices with smartphones projects such as SailfishOS, NemoMobile, WebOS-Ports, SHR or Ubuntu Touch but adapted to the needs of smartwatches. For now the project is still in early stages and is in need of contributors.
source: https://github.com/AsteroidOS/asteroid/wiki
(though probably Mer would be more in place, still nice touch)

ZogG 2016-01-03 13:29
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1493440)
jWatch - pure speculation
btw, welcome back 'told you so' Zogg, so, jolla still in business, gonna apologize/rewrite your doomsaying? jk, happy new year
Hey,
I never left and if you think that this time everything went smooth and there are no problems. Especially when a lot of people here (including me) told about "no tablet" on first silence delays from Jolla(btw "soon" and silence is good sign of upcoming problems with them) then I would tell that you are pretty "optimistic" person :)
Or if it's always about if there is company named Jolla or not and not about them failing everytime, then you right again :)

szopin 2016-01-03 13:32
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1493444)
Hey,
I never left and if you think that this time everything went smooth and there are no problems. Especially when a lot of people here (including me) told about "no tablet" on first silence delays from Jolla(btw "soon" and silence is good sign of upcoming problems with them) then I would tell that you are pretty "optimistic" person :)
Or if it's always about if there is company named Jolla or not and not about them failing everytime, then you right again :)
haha, never change, sooooo... about that failure of a company that no longer exists, oh wait it does, and continues to develop an awesome system, made a thread for you to do your little dance, but seems you can only back down now on your predictions, let us know what 2016 will bring nostradamus

att 2016-01-03 13:49
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1493444)
Hey,
I never left and if you think that this time everything went smooth and there are no problems. Especially when a lot of people here (including me) told about "no tablet" on first silence delays from Jolla(btw "soon" and silence is good sign of upcoming problems with them) then I would tell that you are pretty "optimistic" person :)
Or if it's always about if there is company named Jolla or not and not about them failing everytime, then you right again :)
"The future's not set. There's no fate but what we make for ourselves."

strongm 2016-01-03 15:43
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1493403)
I think its time for a poll

How would you like your jolla money to go out?
1. Full Refund
2. Tablet
3. Replacment device
4. Change to donation
5. Other
Dave, just to remind you - apart from those who pre-ordered from the webshop - people's jolla (tablet perk) money is already a donation

marxian 2016-01-03 16:07
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by att (Post 1493448)
"The future's not set. There's no fate but what we make for ourselves."
So, Jolla alone are to blame for their failure to deliver the tablet in accordance with the schedule given at the time of the crowdfunding campaign. :)

zenecho 2016-01-03 16:08
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosen (Post 1493436)
But they still have some value to offer in discount on possible future devices and possibly free access to payed services they might come up with.
I dont Jolla is ever going to build/supply another new hardware device, they can hardly say to another company buy our software and by the way please give a "special" discount to these old customers/supporters of ours. thanks.

Software is their only asset - one reason why they will NEVER open source it.

I personnel dont trust Jolla as a company, Thety have sadly lied to us so many times in thepast. I think the amount of Tablets is going to VERY VERY small, and the only reason they have bigged up the "special" is so that is spreads out the time period when people demand there cash back (Not IGG)

szopin 2016-01-03 16:18
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marxian (Post 1493455)
So, Jolla alone are to blame for their failure to deliver the tablet in accordance with the schedule given at the time of the crowdfunding campaign. :)
Weird reading, Jolla alone are to blame for trying, what are you attempting? Boycotting them because you did not get a freebie and because SDK is so hard to DL/install? Or more popcorn? Seriously

edit: luckily YTPlayer is feature complete and there is no more need for youtube app (especially as it works nicely in browser even, n900 is kind of lacking in that department since a year or two, but hey, bit more ram will fix it)

szopin 2016-01-03 16:21
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zenecho (Post 1493456)
I dont Jolla is ever going to build/supply another new hardware device, they can hardly say to another company buy our software and by the way please give a "special" discount to these old customers/supporters of ours. thanks.

Software is their only asset - one reason why they will NEVER open source it.

I personnel dont trust Jolla as a company, Thety have sadly lied to us so many times in thepast. I think the amount of Tablets is going to VERY VERY small, and the only reason they have bigged up the "special" is so that is spreads out the time period when people demand there cash back (Not IGG)
NEVER EVER, or like debian/redhat once it is mature and intex-like people/companies catch on there will be business in having experts supporting and developing it further. In current state with only jPhone sure, open sourcing is stupid, but with manufacturers thatg require support RHEL model kind of makes sense

marxian 2016-01-03 16:35
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1493460)
Weird reading, Jolla alone are to blame for trying, what are you attempting? Boycotting them because you did not get a freebie and because SDK is so hard to DL/install? Or more popcorn? Seriously

edit: luckily YTPlayer is feature complete and there is no more need for youtube app (especially as it works nicely in browser even, n900 is kind of lacking in that department since a year or two, but hey, bit more ram will fix it)
I don't pretend to understand your incoherent rants, so I have no useful response.

szopin 2016-01-03 16:41
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marxian (Post 1493464)
I don't pretend to understand your incoherent rants, so I have no useful response.
Oh ok, just insert a popcorn gif, we know
In case you want to understand: marxian THE n900 hero coder decided to not support sailfishOS and jolla in any way, because downloading SDK is soooo hard

marxian 2016-01-03 16:57
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1493465)
Oh ok, just insert a popcorn gif, we know
In case you want to understand: marxian THE n900 hero coder decided to not support sailfishOS and jolla in any way, because downloading SDK is soooo hard
I don't support Sailfish because I don't have time for it in addition to the platforms I already support, and it doesn't offer me anything I don't already have. Also, I am broke as a result of spending much of my time working for free for the last 5 years (which I have no complaints about, since it was my choice), so I cannot afford to just discard my existing devices and replace them with the latest shiny every year.

As it happens, I installed the Sailfish SDK before the first Jolla device shipped, and spent a couple of weeks porting applications. I had screenshots of the results on my website at the time. However, I did not care much for Silica UI.

The fact is that I don't have any interest in smartphones. The N900 is an anomaly. I don't even use it as a phone. Once my N900 dies, my interest in mobile is over.

szopin 2016-01-03 17:00
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marxian (Post 1493466)
I don't support Sailfish because I don't have time for it in addition to the platforms I already support, and it doesn't offer me anything I don't already have. Also, I am broke as a result of spending much of my time working for free for the last 5 years (which I have no complaints about, since it was my choice), so I cannot afford to just discard my existing devices and replace them with the latest shiny every year.

As it happens, I installed the Sailfish SDK before the first Jolla device shipped, and spent a couple of weeks porting applications. I had screenshots of the results on my website at the time. However, I did not care much for Silica UI.

The fact is that I don't have any interest in smartphones. The N900 is an anomaly. I don't even use it as a phone. Once my N900 dies, my interest in mobile is over.
Care to write a post-mortem about it? Sorry, but you seemed like a few peeps here who are just annoyed by Jolla and never give good reasons. Also, can send you a phone+hwkbd so you can test your work in real life, maybe change your mind, or is Silica so broken in your opinion?

endsormeans 2016-01-03 17:03
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Ok...
I figured it out...
In the middle of the night last night...
I woke up from a dead sleep screaming Eureka!
I know what the special "surprise" is!...
Everyone involved from top to bottom is going to get something!
(except me of course...sadly I will get nothing for my folly of not flushing money away...)
Ok..
to backtrack...
I sussed it out...
1- They went tits-up ...err...I mean they are "restructuring"...
2- They somehow got no money now...((wish I could diarrhetically (this should really be a word) "run" through 10's of millions...personally I would find it challenging to spend it all...)....
3- Many unhappy peeps with no happy-fun-time-toys...

So what do they have to give?
I puzzled over this a long time....
and I know what it is...finally...
I figured it out!....
The surprise is....
they are going to give everyone...
store and warehouse shelving, stationary and staplers and paperclips...
I mean...
they DO have this stuff...
and they need to get rid of it...
it is costing them money storing it all...
So...it only stands to reason...
ship out parts of the corpse ...
then there is no cost in burial..

I cannot believe that in the last 8 hours there are more than 4 more NEW pages already in this thread and the day isn't even done yet...(only beginning on my timezoney)
Tragic waste of brain power here...

I completely agree with marxian.
If (heaven forbid) the neo never gets shipped...
That will be it for me..
welllllll
I may consider slumming it with a smartphone that runs plasma mobile....
but I consider that the only other candy option to n900's meat and potatoes...
and I mean that...
before I got my 1st n900...what was that 2011-ish?...I used a flip dumbphone...hell still used it for a long time even after getting my 1st n900...I have been very content getting my "tablet-on" so to speak...with my n8x0's before the n900 came into my life...
So it would be sad to watch my last n900 die and no successor ...(it should take a while...I have a few...) ...but it won't be the end of the universe...just this little corner of it.....then my primary focus will be back to my n8x0's....

enuff laffs for the present from this popcorn thread ...
I'll stop back in when the jokes start piling up again...

I'm off to "What's the best Handheld gnu/linux machine for 2016?"
thread...far more interesting...

szopin 2016-01-03 17:06
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by endsormeans (Post 1493468)
they are going to give everyone...
store and warehouse shelving, stationary and staplers and paperclips...
AWESOME, I know where my jolla stickers finally go to, here's to hoping it happens

zenecho 2016-01-03 17:13
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1493461)
NEVER EVER, or like debian/redhat once it is mature and intex-like people/companies catch on there will be business in having experts supporting and developing it further. In current state with only jPhone sure, open sourcing is stupid, but with manufacturers thatg require support RHEL model kind of makes sense
Its not the same, Gnu/linux was originally "open", in the sense that there was not one single company that was selling linux. various companys then grew up from it , forking it, shipping a particular version, etc.


Jolla as a company only has "Sailfish", its not as they have said "its crown jewels" its their only jewels. I dont think Jolla as a company is trustworthy. They open it up, bang some one else will fork it, Hello new and better Sailfish - Goodbye Jolla.

Jolla had its stallmen and Torvalds but that boat has already sailed.

I think the tabletgate is going to cost Jolla dearly.

I would still love a Sailfish tablet though

szopin 2016-01-03 17:20
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zenecho (Post 1493470)
Its not the same, Gnu/linux was originally "open", in the sense that there was not one single company that was selling linux. various companys then grew up from it , forking it, shipping a particular version, etc.


Jolla as a company only has "Sailfish", its not as they have said "its crown jewels" its their only jewels. I dont think Jolla as a company is trustworthy. They open it up, bang some one else will fork it, Hello new and better Sailfish - Goodbye Jolla.

Jolla had its stallmen and Torvalds but that boat has already sailed.

I think the tabletgate is going to cost Jolla dearly.

I would still love a Sailfish tablet though
Start your own copy of debian zedebian and become RHEL business, without companies using your distro there is no money to be made in support, good luck with zenedebian

Dave999 2016-01-03 17:22
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by strongm (Post 1493452)
Dave, just to remind you - apart from those who pre-ordered from the webshop - people's jolla (tablet perk) money is already a donation
Ok...a donation or not. Doesn't matter what you call it. It was to tablet then, and was funded 480%. Not to sailfish development :)
I have the right to complain about how jolla doing business and using the money. I simply do not trust them until they compensate the backers and customers and see no way for them continue to function until this situation is solved.

If jolla asks for money with nothing in return. It's a donation. If you ask for money for something then using stretch goals to get more then...

...waiting for jolla to do the right thing or die trying.

I guess we have different view of how doing business...nothing wrong with that.

prometheus 2016-01-03 17:25
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by strongm (Post 1493452)
Dave, just to remind you - apart from those who pre-ordered from the webshop - people's jolla (tablet perk) money is already a donation
No it is not. Read Terms of Use on IGG official website.

pichlo 2016-01-03 17:31
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1493467)
Sorry, but you seemed like a few peeps here who are just annoyed by Jolla and never give good reasons.
Right. So everyone who does not sing praises about Glorious Jolla sounds like a few peeps here who are just annoyed by Jolla and never give good reasons. Oh the blessed simplicity of a black-and-white world!

BTW, I have seen a few peeps here who are annoyed at Jolla but all of them gave good reasons as far as I can see. If you decide to be partially blind to anything that does not fit your paradigm then that is your own problem. You blame people like ZogG and prometheus for "spewing vitriol" but you are no better. They at least give reasons for their beliefs and do not turn personal.

pichlo 2016-01-03 17:47
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1493472)
I have the right to complain about how jolla doing business and using the money. I simply do not trust them until they compensate the backers and customers.
You have the right to complain. They have the right to not ship (as it was a donation, like it or not). You have the right not to trust them any more.

I for one do not trust them even if they compensate the backers. The main damage has already been done: they lied to us. Multiple times. Screw the money, screw the tablet. The real loss is the loss of trust. There is no way I am going to believe that someone who has lied to me 3 times is suddenly going to turn around and become all honest the 4th time. I feel sorry for anyone who does.

Dave999 2016-01-03 17:49
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1493479)
You have the right to complain. They have the right to not ship (as it was a donation, like it or not). You have the right not to trust them any more.

I for one do not trust them even if they compensate the backers. The main damage has already been done: they lied to us. Multiple times. Screw the money, screw the tablet. The real loss is the loss of trust. There is no way I am going to believe that someone who has lied to me 3 times is suddenly going to turn around and become all honest the 4th time. I feel sorry for anyone who does.
so then it's 2-1 to me vs jolla :D

szopin 2016-01-03 18:09
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1493474)
Right. So everyone who does not sing praises about Glorious Jolla sounds like a few peeps here who are just annoyed by Jolla and never give good reasons. Oh the blessed simplicity of a black-and-white world!

BTW, I have seen a few peeps here who are annoyed at Jolla but all of them gave good reasons as far as I can see. If you decide to be partially blind to anything that does not fit your paradigm then that is your own problem. You blame people like ZogG and prometheus for "spewing vitriol" but you are no better. They at least give reasons for their beliefs and do not turn personal.
ffs, it wasn't about you, you're not an actual n900 coder that people respect like marxian, meant other people. You are dad-joke, recode whole Qt in 64kb type, I hate jolla and whine about everything because this is how we show love type of guy, this was not about you, relax

ZogG 2016-01-03 18:11
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1493445)
haha, never change, sooooo... about that failure of a company that no longer exists, oh wait it does, and continues to develop an awesome system, made a thread for you to do your little dance, but seems you can only back down now on your predictions, let us know what 2016 will bring nostradamus
I never told there would be no jolla, I said they failing at everything, but I was wrong — enjoy your tablet, mate :)

szopin 2016-01-03 18:13
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1493486)
I never told there would be no jolla, I said they failing at everything, but I was wrong — enjoy your tablet, mate :)
Ordered 32 Gb and was already sent invite months ago, so I hope I will prove you... right? wrong? whatever, will send pics :P Enjoy your hate mate

ZogG 2016-01-03 18:19
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1493484)
ffs, it wasn't about you, you're not an actual n900 coder that people respect like marxian, meant other people. You are dad-joke, recode whole Qt in 64kb type, I hate jolla and whine about everything because this is how we show love type of guy, this was not about you, relax
Wait what? WTF mate, nothing to say you call people names? People who haven't code anything can't have a opinion? (interesting if you did anything useful yourself)

And just to explain to you I'll show what you did.

ffs, it wasn't about you, you're not an actual n900 coder that people respect like marxian, meant other people. You are dad-joke, Jolla will save the world, they are the best. I'll give them money while they pee on my head, this was not about you, relax

szopin 2016-01-03 18:21
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1493489)
Wait what? WTF mate, nothing to say you call people names? People who haven't code anything can't have a opinion? (interesting if you did anything useful yourself)

And just to explain to you I'll show what you did.

ffs, it wasn't about you, you're not an actual n900 coder that people respect like marxian, meant other people. You are dad-joke, Jolla will save the world, they are the best. I'll give them money while they pee on my head, this was not about you, relax
Names? Who called anyone names? I called pichlo who he is, dad-joke teller who complains Qt isn't in 64kb because that was the norm when he was a coder. He isn't marxian, he isn't Aapo, he isn't... Where do you find names dude?

edit: and if you throw those sure, I did something useful, search TMO for roguelikes and you might find something useful that came from me, whether you like ascii or not, ffs

ZogG 2016-01-03 18:22
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1493488)
Ordered 32 Gb and was already sent invite months ago, so I hope I will prove you... right? wrong? whatever, will send pics :P Enjoy your hate mate
Enjoy the tablet that would be so limited you would be able to play with one and a half app :P I wonder what would you do with it? Play videos, oh wait you would need 3rd party player to do it, do you — /https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/page:1/query:codecs/ ?

szopin 2016-01-03 18:23
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1493492)
Enjoy the tablet that would be so limited you would be able to play with one and a half app :P I wonder what would you do with it? Play videos, oh wait you would need 3rd party player to do it, do you — /https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/page:1/query:codecs/ ?
Why do you throw names???

Thanks btw, with BT keyboard I have my mobile linux desktop, you have your hate still and nothing else, shalom

ZogG 2016-01-03 18:27
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1493491)
Names? Who called anyone names? I called pichlo who he is, dad-joke teller who complains Qt isn't in 64kb because that was the norm when he was a coder. He isn't marxian, he isn't Aapo, he isn't... Where do you find names dude?

edit: and if you throw those sure, I did something useful, search TMO for roguelikes and you might find something useful that came from me, whether you like ascii or not, ffs
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1493493)
Why do you throw names???

Thanks btw, with BT keyboard I have my mobile linux desktop, you have your hate still and nothing else, shalom
I just have last thing to say:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_orP5JHZWE

szopin 2016-01-03 18:29
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1493495)
I just have last thing to say:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_orP5JHZWE
LOL, what did you bring to the table? Mossad? Thanks, but no thanks

nieldk 2016-01-03 18:31
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
@ZogG @szopin we all have the free dom of speech rights. Doesnt mean posts cant be reported.
You both have my respekt. But please keep a more decent tone.

ZogG 2016-01-03 18:33
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Get comfy and grab some ...

http://www.bakeryandsnacks.com/var/p...ompetition.jpg

szopin 2016-01-03 18:35
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1493497)
@ZogG @szopin we all have the free dom of speech rights. Doesnt mean posts cant be reported.
You both have my respekt. But please keep a more decent tone.
nieldk: sorry, not really sure what to respond, he brought the argument: what have you brought to TMO, and he has brought exactly nothing, zilch, just toxic hate

edit: oh wait, he pretends to be respected coder who can spout popcorn jpgs/gifs, that's new, restecpa

szopin 2016-01-03 18:38
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZogG (Post 1493489)
Wait what? WTF mate, nothing to say you call people names? People who haven't code anything can't have a opinion? (interesting if you did anything useful yourself)
Have YOU???
Anything useful except spilling hate? Show us, then tell

nieldk 2016-01-03 18:44
Re: The Future of Jolla's Tablet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1493501)
Have YOU???
Anything useful except spilling hate? Show us, then tell
What ZogG expressed, was that even if you are not a coderus, you can still post your opinions.
What I would consider true.
But, again. Please do keep your dignity and Respect other opinions. Even if we agree/disagree, we can keep it decent,


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