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Had fun using the jolla phone today. Phone calls work fine, I used it as wifi hot spot (internet sharing). Funny, when on tmobile, you have to pay $5 a month extra to enable this feature on my Note Edge. Go figure. I also like the multitasking on the Jolla phone. The fact that once you close an app, or, put it in background, immediately takes to you to the screen with all running apps allows you to switch between running apps more efficiently than on my android phone . For example, I was looking at map of ETH campus, got a call, had to check a message, then email. and then went back to the map to find my way without a hitch. Very nice.

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@mscion,

Glad for you.

Yesterday I had the opposite experience. I don't like my Jolla anymore as I cannot trust it.

I had an alarm coming up and I could not stop it because both the touch screen and the power button decided to strike. Had to take the battery out.

Then I also noticed that the vibrator doesn't work (reliably) anymore. Sometimes it vibrates a bit (e.g. after I hit the phone against a table or drop it hard on the sofa) but then it's quiet again. Makes Jolla "experience" quite miserable, notwithstanding the loss of my "meeting" ambiance (silent, vibrate only).

As of today my Jolla is, unfortunately, a toy. I had even managed to reliably synchronize contacts and calendar with Owncloud, but still continues to be a toy, hardware- and software-wise.

I have to decide if I go back to Maemo (which was OK but then you can forget about caldav and cardav, which I have begun to rely on) or buy some crappy Android phone. But I don't think I'm yet desperate enough to take the latter.

Where (when!) is my Neo900?!!!!!!!

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I recongnized the problem with the vibrator a few days ago on my phone too. But there seems to be an easy solution:
https://together.jolla.com/question/...ation-problem/

I ordered the vibrators from ebay. If you are interested I can send you one when they arrive (there are 5 in the box). Unfortunately delivery will be soon :p (means in December). Just let me know.

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That's probably because tmobile "owns" your phone somehow, you can always root it and enable that feature. Glad you liked Jolla/Sailfish though, I think your comments describe exactly how I felt with the N9 and how the Jolla didn't disappoint in that respect.

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Hopefully the message will be read in the appropriate context :)

Thanks! I could give it a try.
I'll send you a PM with my address. You can give me your IBAN and I'll transfer you the price + shipping.

Cheers.

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Regarding vibrators and other stuff, I had a case with the speaker. Rather than replacing it, I just opened the case, took the speaker out, cleaned the contacts and bent the springs out to make them more "springy". No problems since then. It was about a year ago.

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Your address is enough. The vibrators are ridiculously cheap (and I don't need 5 of them). I also live in Germany so I think i can afford a stamp for a letter to you. :D

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Already tried that, with no success. :(

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Hi Reinob,

I don't know if my private messages reached you. I've sent two of them but none are shown in the sent folder. Therefore I write you also here:

The vibrator motors were delivered earlier than expected. They were in my letterbox today. After I switched the vibrator of my Jolla, vibration works again. :cool:

I didn't cut anything of the rubber coating like it is described on TJC. So you can try that just the way you like.

I send you the promised vibrator tomorrow.

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Well, I'm back in the US. I enjoyed using my Jolla phone while in Zurich. One thing. I actually travelled to Strasbourg in the middle of the week. Those roaming charges kill you! As soon as I entered France, Swiss com automatically charged about 10fr for 10mb of data (a data travel pack). Ouch! What do folks in Europe do to avoid roaming charges? Do people use phones with 2 sim card tray? Anyways, when I got back to the US, I thought I'd turn the phone back on and, again, I was charged 10fr for the data travel pack! Doh! To make matters worse, only 2G works in the US. At least at that rate it might last a little while. Actually, maemo.org does appear on the screen rather quickly even with 2G. I won't try the XDA site. The ads alone will suck up all my data!

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Last time I travelled, Vodafone, for a small fee, allowed me to use my data allowance abroad.

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Thanks Fellfrosch!
I did receive your (one) PM yesterday, but didn't have time to answer.

I'll report back after the "operation" :)
Cheers.

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I'm on UK network Three. They have free international roaming in most of Europe, Australia and the USA. It quite possibly works out cheaper for a US resident to buy a UK SIM and only use it in the USA.

http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Phones/Feel_At_Home

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Same here. Their rates are astounding. I have been on Orange for 15 years but once I found out about 3, I switched in a heartbeat and never looked back. (NB: I am using pre-paid SIM cards. Always.)

One thing I noticed with both 3 and Orange, sending an SMS to a third country whilst roaming is cheaper than from home. For example, sending an SMS from the UK to Italy costs 25p. Using the same SIM card whilst roaming anywhere in Europe, the same SMS costs 7p. So roaming is not always bad ;)

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The vibrator is there! :)
I'll probably do the transplant during the weekend..

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Operation completed succesfully! :)
Thanks A LOT fellfrosch!
(and amazon for quickly delivering the T5 screwdriver I didn't have.. :)

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I must say I'm quite happy with Saimaa. Quick shortcuts "over" events are great; and so they are media controls into lock screen. No need to keep "settings" app running all the time. I've recovered my "flow" and it's even faster.

Unlocking with double tap seems to be not very responsible, compared to 1.x. No global password for browser and no scheduled reset for data counters; but I'm looking for workarounds. These are my main complains for now.

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I also got one of Fellfroschs spare motors last week, works awesomely. Sometimes the motor feels a bit slow (responsive-wise), but i kind of recall the original being the same.

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I have changed vibro motor By myself and new motor with smaller excenter works much better. More responsive but with weaker vibrations.
I like it!

First time I've send My Jolla over Warranty for fixing the vibro and after 6 month it stop working again.
So, I advice to all to change it at home.

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Agreed.
It's hardly any work to change that motor if you remember to remove your SD card before (Fellfrosch even warned me about that one).
Open it up, pull the old one, drop a new one in and you're set within a few minutes even without any expertise.

Oh yeah, thanks to reinob for mentioning the size of the screwdriver (T5 torx) as well.

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Yes it often reacts a little bit late. But I think that's more a software-problem. It definitely isn't different to the original one in that aspect.

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I saw this XKCD comic recently and it reminded me immediately of all mobile OSes, including Sailfish.
They all fall into #2 (think OOM).

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_thre...f_robotics.png

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Hi, i'd like to know if you would recommend buying a new Jolla at the Moment. Also regarding all the trouble around the Company. I use my Phone (N9) only for really basic stuff (but it would be nice for me to be able to use a few Android apps which i can't use at the moment). Are the serious hardware problems? The thread is kinda long, so i hope i get an answer. Thanks a lot.

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As someone who got one a few days ago I would say......... Well, I don't know, I skipped N9 so I made a transition from N900. In some aspects I like it a lot, UI is not hildon but it is more than decent replacement. I can't comment on android compatibility but if you need something for basic stuff than I would say go for it.

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Now after using my jolla phone again after a while i'd like to say that sf2 is mostly ok. Still couldn't do without these patches - Launcher combined patches with its transparent launcher and especially the nonpaged launcher scrolling option here. Paged implementation by Jolla with no scroll indicator is baad! With coderus patch i can see my current location on launcher, and swipe through 4 pages of icons with a single swipe! Also, it eliminates the need for 'dummy' swipe when scrolling back to the beginning of the launcher screen.

Secondly 'Quick settings on power menu' with swipe down to close an app deactivated makes toggles so much better accessible.

I hope Jolla considers these kind of changes for official version, too.

Ps. And delivers the tablet too, of course. Good to see them restoring their business, hopefully.

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4 pages?? You know you can use folders in the launcher, right?

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I don't like folders, they require additional tap to open. :)
I'm only using folders for useless icons.

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Has anyone tried booking a flight with Ryanair using the Jolla's stock browser?
I can give you a piece of advice. Don't.

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Did you try WebPirate?

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My piece of advice in general on flying with Ryanair: Don't.

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The only trouble with ryanair are the passengers who want the moon on a stick for £17.99!

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Haha. Very funny. FYI, there are destinations where nothing else flies, at least not directly. There are occasions when I would rather pay £150 for an uncomfortable return flight than £400 for a comfortable one way. And there are other websites that do not work in the Sailfish browser, not just Ryanair.

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In case you have a choice, I've found Wizzair to be more enjoyable than Ryanair as far as low cost companies are concerned, for even better prices (of course, this likely depends a lot on the routes as well).

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To be fair, at one point you couldn't book a flight with Ryanair with Safari on a Mac. Their site sucked donkey balls.

... Not that us Mac users would stoop to flying budget of course. :D

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Speak for yourself, my Mac brethren. I once flew in the back of a cargo plane from Ankara to Cairo... all to save some money.

At the end of the day, I think we all can point out an expected convenience that was somehow met with some usability shortcomings due to technical limitations at that time.

Sadly I've run into many of those via the Jolla browser. Most would never be considered or visited by many on this site. But those grievances exist regardless and are not fun whenever encountered.

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The Ryanair Android app works fine on Jolla.
I used it many times and it's better than mobile website.

Cheers.

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That may be the case but, not having Android, I would never have known if you haven't told me ;)

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You know, this Ryanair thing leads me to a question: is the problem here really the Jolla browser, or the Ryanair website? Creating a website that works on a broad range of web browsers is not rocket science: you simply adhere to the published W3C standards.

Problem is, nobody ever adheres to the standards. For some reason, big companies always produce pages that depend on features specific to Microsoft's browser, or Google's browser, or use some goofy plugin. There's always a race to add dependencies on the newest, least-supported, and most broken features as well. It kinda drives me nuts...

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I'd say both are the culprit. Adhering to W3C standards doesn't mean that the browser will render it correctly *cough*IE6, 7, 8 or 9*cough* - and that makes for a rather limited site.

Amen brother.

Or their interpretation of JavaScript.

Other end of the spectrum, folks that want an utterly bland ****ing Internet with websites that are nothing but text and actually increase cognitive load and induce choice paralysis due to everything being structured as an engineer would like it, but not the layman.

There's a fine mix to be found; the people are just yelling for radically different things. In the least, the websites should gracefully degrade to something that works for the minimum. Somehow that's rarely the case as well.

Oh well... this indecision keeps me busy and employed.

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As gerbic says, probably a bit of both. The site is very heavy on JavaScript, with a change in one selection box, e.g. the country, resulting in an instant update of the selection options in another, e.g. the airport. I have not checked how compliant it is but it works in every desktop browser I have thrown at it. Jolla tries but loses breath, the poor thing.